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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.13 08:28:00 -
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I voted for the only one that had a real world female name to match the female avatar.
It's a weird sort of discrimination.....I think....
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.13 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer I voted for the only one that had a real world female name to match the female avatar.
It's a weird sort of discrimination.....I think....
Nah its okay its called the /b/ syndrome ;0
also VOTE FOR ME! :D
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Darth Sith
Genbuku. Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.13 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Sith on 13/11/2009 14:55:38
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer I voted for the only one that had a real world female name to match the female avatar.
It's a weird sort of discrimination.....I think....
Nah its okay its called the /b/ syndrome ;0
also VOTE FOR ME! :D
^^ and right there is what I think part of the problem with a lack of intrest in the CSM decisions stems from . As long as people treat the elections as some type of popularity contest with little regard for the quality of the candidate then the CSM will never achive it's true potential.
In my opinion it was careless to vote for someone because of their gender or name and equally careless for a candidate to joke about it as part of their election bid....
Just sayin ...
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Thargorr
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.13 15:14:00 -
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Sorry you lost me on the first sentence of your page. I'm not gonna vote for any moron that can't spell, especially a simple word like "literally."
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.13 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Sith
In my opinion it was careless to vote for someone because of their gender or name and equally careless for a candidate to joke about it as part of their election bid....
Just sayin ...
You want serious? Go see my thread. I'm not gonna be mr. 'look I'm cool I has internet elections' 24/7, I'll be serious when its really needed.
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Darth Sith
Genbuku. Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.13 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Darth Sith
In my opinion it was careless to vote for someone because of their gender or name and equally careless for a candidate to joke about it as part of their election bid....
Just sayin ...
You want serious? Go see my thread. I'm not gonna be mr. 'look I'm cool I has internet elections' 24/7, I'll be serious when its really needed.
Touch a nerve did I ? :)
But yes actually, if you want to be serious about it, I do not believe it is a part time job but rather a 24/7 term for the duration of the council membership. I am even seriously thinking about dropping to an npc corp for the term if elected to focus on the CSM activities. Nothing about trying to be Mr. Cool, quite the opposite actually.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Sith I my view, a CSM member should be someone able to step back and without emotion be able to analyze a request or development and without personal bias consider all options and the opinion of the player majority. To me CSM is presenting a PLAYER view to CCP as they look to modify or augment the game mechanics/ feature set. It is not an opportunity for an individual to push their idea of how the game should be made.
I agree, though it is inevitable that personal experience will be a factor in the way people approach a request/proposal which is why having people from different styles of gameplay is very important.
In my campaign I stated I wanted Accurate Representation. I feel strongly that proposals from the players need to be submitted to the CSM in their original form and only once they are put before the CSM should any amendments etc be discussed.
Everything on the record (in the logs) so the players can see who are representing and supporting their interests.
Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Sith
Touch a nerve did I ? :)
But yes actually, if you want to be serious about it, I do not believe it is a part time job but rather a 24/7 term for the duration of the council membership. I am even seriously thinking about dropping to an npc corp for the term if elected to focus on the CSM activities. Nothing about trying to be Mr. Cool, quite the opposite actually.
Edit: After re-reading this, I do have to wonder, do you plan on taking every query of your resolve on a subject so personally? I my view, a CSM member should be someone able to step back and without emotion be able to analyze a request or development and without personal bias consider all options and the opinion of the player majority. To me CSM is presenting a PLAYER view to CCP as they look to modify or augment the game mechanics/ feature set. It is not an opportunity for an individual to push their idea of how the game should be made.
Yes you did touch a nerve there. My point is that I've *ALWAYS* been able to 'step back' and review things with humour, as any regular visitor to these forums will be able to confirm.
If I get in, I'm not gonna be mr csm. I'm gonna be sok, who happens to be csm, and when things matter, I will be serious, but even then I will take the critical, humorous position, instead of being 'hurr durr politics'. Taking myself too serious is one of the things that I have so far been able to avoid doing, and I really want to keep that up.
Originally by: V for Vendetta
Evey: Is everything a joke to you Gordon? Gordon: Only the things that matter.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
I agree, though it is inevitable that personal experience will be a factor in the way people approach a request/proposal which is why having people from different styles of gameplay is very important.
In my campaign I stated I wanted Accurate Representation. I feel strongly that proposals from the players need to be submitted to the CSM in their original form and only once they are put before the CSM should any amendments etc be discussed.
Everything on the record (in the logs) so the players can see who are representing and supporting their interests.
QFT
(I hate being asleep and having someone beat me to a post like this. )
I highlighted the most important part. I have assumed that 4-5 of the CSM slots would be filled by the larger 0.0 alliance pilots. If I remember correctly the CSM with the least votes last time had about 850. If you can field that many pilots for a fleet op there is no reason you can't get those same pilots to log in sometime during the next 2 weeks to vote. That leaves 4-5 slots to be filled by "everyone" else.
You do end up with a heavy representation of 0.0 interests even when 0.0 game play makes up a smaller portion of the entirety of the Eve Universe. This is bad for the game as a whole. It is best for every perspective to be represented though the CSM.
Bah, still not awake. I hope what I am saying makes sense.
Ashina Sito for CSM
Eve-Tribune interview
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Darth Sith
Genbuku. Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Sith on 13/11/2009 18:49:54
Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 13/11/2009 18:09:18
My point is that I've always been able to 'step back' and review things with humour, as any regular visitor to these forums will be able to confirm.
If I get in, I'm not gonna be mr csm. I'm gonna be sok, who happens to be csm, and when things matter, I will be serious, but even then I will take the critical, humorous position, instead of being 'hurr durr politics'. Taking myself too serious is one of the things that I have so far been able to avoid doing, and I really want to keep that up.
Well stated.
Here is hoping then that I may have the opportunity to work with you as a peer on the CSM as it will make sure that the fun factor is not lost in the decisions. The fact is not lost on me that there are 8 positions to fill and we need a number of personalities represented on the council to ensure that all views from casual to serious are represented.
I am known for my twisted sense of humour but I am one of those types that reserves the smart a$$ comments till the meeting is over ;)
Good luck with the campaign...
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
How do I vote to disband the CSM and give the money it costs to charity instead?
^^This. KB
Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.13 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Tiny Tove
How do I vote to disband the CSM and give the money it costs to charity instead?
^^This.
Vote Abstain with all your accounts. The button is down there at the bottom.
It will take you under 1 minute.
The link is helpfully provided by the OP.
Ideally there would be more abstain votes then votes for candidates, but with alliance bloc voting that may be unachievable this time.
SKUNK
(o)
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Darth Sith
Genbuku. Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.14 22:28:00 -
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Bump to the top to make sure everyone is casting thier vote ! :)
( I am second last on the vote page btw ;) )
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bananamana
Caldari HelpMyMissioners
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Posted - 2009.11.15 02:27:00 -
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Voted for someone else :)
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Darth Sith
Genbuku. Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.16 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: bananamana Voted for someone else :)
All good .. just as long as people get out to vote.
It is the people that don't vote, whine about changes and claim that CSM is useless that I am after.
As per the CSM blog and for those non-believers, 60% of CSM recommendations that have been brought forward to CCP have been accepted and/or implemented.
If I am successfull, my goals this council will be , in addition to player tabled requests, will be to address Sov changes, super cap changes, industry and my personal favorite, table a request for more transparency and consistency on GM involvement.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.16 02:55:00 -
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Ok to be honest my choice was based on the mention of exploration by that candidate. That's what caught my eye.
I am not an "one issue voter" though. There is plenty of tank, spank, and industry in this game but I really feel that some more TLC needs to go to the Exploration field. There is a realm of aspect there that if expanded upon, would enhance the game for everybody.
Usually threads asking for more exploration content will have both pirates and carebears and every level or mix in between in agreement with each other. There is very little deriding of Nova Fox and the SOE Science vessel concepts, and there are very few detractors from expanded exploration content. Gankers and pirates put the parrot back in the cage to break out probes and look for things, and the carebear crowd will take risks into the unknown for opportunities they don't normally get. This is a win topic.
Usually the CSM concerns are based on too much of that fear of real politics. People using their votes as weapons against other people they don't like or as a way to strongarm something they want from others. If I see someone with more money than me, I could take out a gun and rob him, but then in commission of a crime. Or I could find a representative who agrees with my views who will change the mechanics on that person with money, like more laws or taxes, and if they don't comply, a train of fines, citations, and regulations are ultimately enforced with badged agents - and they carry guns. This is still armed robbery but it only looks legal.
With voting, there are too many havitall types with a bad case of Tolkien's Mountain Dwarf Syndrome who think it's all about the numerical amount of ISK and anything that takes away from that - like piracy, should be banned outright. Yet there are also those who look down their noses at anyone who does not play the game their way (these tend to be the pirates) and that the game should be changed to punish those who do not play the game that certain way. It's bad enough that in real life, people do this with their own governments on matters pertaining to money, wealth, property, and lifestyle choices. What happens in EvE is a reflection of the real world.
All I could want are things that improve matters for everybody, and Exploration or enhanced content thereof is an avenue in that direction. Right now the very things that people THINK should "be stopped" still happen with no easy changes that could occur to change anything about activities. Even real world governments, to their chagrin, find that people still to what they want. So trying to "stick it to" some group of players without sticking it to yourself in the long run is something people overlook. Thankfully the inertia of software development in an existing legacy system (this game) makes knee-jerk changes impossible, and the tendency for the development team to be slow in responding to our (sometimes misguided and self-interested) whims.
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Darth Sith
Genbuku. Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.18 00:45:00 -
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bumpage to make sure people are still voting .. .a week to go people :)
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Darth Sith
Genbuku. Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.24 19:06:00 -
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Last day of voting peeps! :)
For those of you who have cast votes, thankyou for you support of the CSM
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