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Tista
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Posted - 2009.11.12 10:17:00 -
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Yep.. as with millions of eve-o ships.. another one has been lost to the damn agro timers that don't show up.
I hear that if your ship wreck is salvaged your agro timer resets, yet there is no timer.. no yellow ticker saying "you are flagged.. don't undock" nothing.. and there is no warning to it.. not a blip.
Fix this ****. -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 10:34:00 -
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Never heard of the ship wreck one, but I know docking resets the aggro. People new to piracy in my corp get very annoyed lol.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 10:47:00 -
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..and the fact that the actual aggro timer isn't 15, but 20 minutes that you can't see..
A clearer display of the timers would def. improve the game - the session change countdown was a good improvement but there's a long way to go.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.11.12 11:14:00 -
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Agreed. This should be a top priority.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.12 11:16:00 -
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Yeah, I love the Global Criminal flag one.
Kill something, get GCC.
Dock with GCC and be AFK for an hour for dinner.
Come back, no timers on screen, undock and get shot.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.11.12 11:19:00 -
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I agree it's dumb...
also looks like we are talking about 2 different issues... one being the can flag extending aggression TO you, the other being the generally crappy life of agression as a pirate
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Eben Rochelle
Gallente RPS holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.12 11:21:00 -
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Totaly signed. Got suprised sex'd by this the other day (I completely forgot about the existance of them until i undocked in a hauler full of CAP mods *facepalm*)
It really is ancient this one, come on CCP sort it out eh?
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Veilag
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Posted - 2009.11.12 11:21:00 -
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Do whatever you like, make it longer, make it so you cant dock or whatever, but it needs to be able to be seen.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.11.12 11:23:00 -
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I TALKED TO CCP ABOUT THIS
Their response (paraphrased) was:
Any time you enter the sight of legal sentry fire, you receive an aggression timer for 15 minutes against the corporation they are guarding, even if they do not fire.
Example: You take Global and wait in a safe spot for 7 minutes. You warp to a station and dock without being shot by sentries when you have 6 minutes 30 seconds left on the timer.
Your timer is then extended for 15 minutes to whatever station you dock at, even though no timer is showing. That leaves you with 6 minutes 30 seconds left of global but you still have 15 minutes against the station. When your global disappears you will have 8 minutes 30 seconds left on your silent aggression. And it is just an aggression countdown, not a GCC.
Just an FYI, guys.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.12 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I TALKED TO CCP ABOUT THIS
Their response (paraphrased) was:
Any time you enter the sight of legal sentry fire, you receive an aggression timer for 15 minutes against the corporation they are guarding, even if they do not fire.
Example: You take Global and wait in a safe spot for 7 minutes. You warp to a station and dock without being shot by sentries when you have 6 minutes 30 seconds left on the timer.
Your timer is then extended for 15 minutes to whatever station you dock at, even though no timer is showing. That leaves you with 6 minutes 30 seconds left of global but you still have 15 minutes against the station. When your global disappears you will have 8 minutes 30 seconds left on your silent aggression. And it is just an aggression countdown, not a GCC.
Just an FYI, guys.
This makes no sense, considering when you dock then undock with GCC your GCC aggro timer (the red one), not your entity aggro timer (the yellow one) resets to fifteen minutes.
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Plim
Gallente Kobayashi Maru Experience
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Posted - 2009.11.12 11:32:00 -
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Someone made a reasonable post on the EVE-O forums and people didn't respond with flames?
Am I on a keylogging website?
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The Riddik
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Posted - 2009.11.12 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Yeah, I love the Global Criminal flag one.
Kill something, get GCC.
Dock with GCC and be AFK for an hour for dinner.
Come back, no timers on screen, undock and get shot.
sorry, no sympathy for you. what your doing is pretty lame.
maybe, suck it up and try to be a man and stay in space till your aggo is over instead of trying to avoid the whole aggro mess.
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Elukka
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Posted - 2009.11.12 13:10:00 -
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"Suck it up" is not a good answer to bugs or oversights in the game.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.11.12 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: The Riddik
Originally by: Verone
Yeah, I love the Global Criminal flag one.
Kill something, get GCC.
Dock with GCC and be AFK for an hour for dinner.
Come back, no timers on screen, undock and get shot.
sorry, no sympathy for you. what your doing is pretty lame.
maybe, suck it up and try to be a man and stay in space till your aggo is over instead of trying to avoid the whole aggro mess.
What if you have a bad case of the bio break shuffle?
Are you expected to man up and 'suffer the consequences'?
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank What if you have a bad case of the bio break shuffle?
Are you expected to man up and 'suffer the consequences'?
**** in the pint glass on the desk!
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5pinDizzy
Amarr State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.11.12 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/11/2009 13:31:34 Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/11/2009 13:30:21
Originally by: Plim Someone made a reasonable post on the EVE-O forums and people didn't respond with flames?
Am I on a keylogging website?
lol I was thinking the same thing.
Agreed with the OP but was expecting "adapt or die" etc...
I don't particularly care about another timer, aggro for me can just be some red flashy bar that once disapears means you can redock or whatever.
I've had friends who's aggro has run out only to undock and get blasted into atoms by the station sentries, happened to me aswell but I only lost a cheap ship so was lucky.
For me though, where aggro is concerned, neutral RR ships takes some form of absolute top priority, if CCP fix this I could pretty much live with a lot of other 'problems'.
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.12 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rordan D''Kherr on 12/11/2009 13:45:54
Originally by: Tista Yep.. as with millions of eve-o ships.. another one has been lost to the damn agro timers that don't show up.
I hear that if your ship wreck is salvaged your agro timer resets, yet there is no timer.. no yellow ticker saying "you are flagged.. don't undock" nothing.. and there is no warning to it.. not a blip.
Fix this ****.
You seem to know about this feature. You still lose ships because of this feature. You make a GD topic about it - but this won't affect your personal learning curve.
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Tista
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:06:00 -
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Yep, GM standard response to my complaint was "It's game mechanics, when you log out your GCC timer is reset, It's all explained in eve-wiki" Though, I'm playing the game.. not eve-wiki-online.. shouldn't this sort of thing be included in the game mechanics.. like maybe SHOWING the ****ing timer when you play the game?
I'd like to point out that I'm not on eve wiki, looking up rules on agro timers when i log out.. because I, the paying customer to this company expect this sort of thing to not happen, as do we all... Rather than CCP getting all these bloody new expansions.. prehaps they should STOPPPPP sit down, rehire all their GMs to be reasonable rather than throwing pointless mumbo about websites outside of the game, and start fixing the god damn issues that already exist.
-------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:10:00 -
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LOL
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer I could go for some doritos now, damn you Spank
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Daplat Mode
Mountain Militia
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:26:00 -
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Hi, I may be able to help you. 1. Download and install test server so your not actually losing isk. 2. Test the mechanic that is troubling you. 3. Learn that Sentries seem to automatically reset a "hidden" 15min timer whenever you come within 150k of whatever it may be that they are guarding AND you have aggro/GCC. 4. ?????? 5. Stop whining on the forums/profit.
This may be a bug, or may be some sort of hidden mechanic but the bottom line is its not difficult to figure out how it works.
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Tista
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tista on 12/11/2009 17:54:45
Originally by: Daplat Mode Hi, I may be able to help you. 1. Download and install test server so your not actually losing isk. 2. Test the mechanic that is troubling you. 3. Learn that Sentries seem to automatically reset a "hidden" 15min timer whenever you come within 150k of whatever it may be that they are guarding AND you have aggro/GCC. 4. ?????? 5. Stop whining on the forums/profit.
This may be a bug, or may be some sort of hidden mechanic but the bottom line is its not difficult to figure out how it works.
Just for you, I will explain in detail the situation.
I undocked at 09:40:00 In a hurricane In Jita. I engaged a target at 09:41:00. The hurricane then exploded at 09:41:00. I then redocked at 09:42:00. I bought a sleipnir. I Armed the sleipnir. I restarted my game to setup the graphics to view the ship in high detail at 09:52:00. I then went to do some thing around the house. I logged back in at 10:05:00 -Note there was no agro timer, no GC timer, no indication that i was flagged. I fiddled around with things then undocked from the same station In the sleipnir at 10:09:00 The Sleipnir was then taken out by concord at 10:09:00.
There was an entire 28 minute window between the inicial agro timer and the 2nd ship being popped by concord with no active timer showing on screen.
That, combined with the fact that this game runs on real time* would lead someone to believe that he/she would undock without a problem.
* If I log off my skills remain to train whether I'm playing the game or not, The agro timer is therefore assumed to work in the same manor, combined with the fact that the timer was not showing leads me to believe I'm in the right in requesting;
A. A change in the system to better all of the players in eve. B. A reimbursment of my ship.
-------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
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Eamiela
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Posted - 2009.11.12 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
Just for you, I will explain in detail the situation.
I undocked at 09:40:00 In a hurricane In Jita. I engaged a target at 09:41:00. The hurricane then exploded at 09:41:00. I then redocked at 09:42:00. I bought a sleipnir. I Armed the sleipnir. I restarted my game to setup the graphics to view the ship in high detail at 09:52:00. I then went to do some thing around the house. I logged back in at 10:05:00 -Note there was no agro timer, no GC timer, no indication that i was flagged. I fiddled around with things then undocked from the same station In the sleipnir at 10:09:00 The Sleipnir was then taken out by concord at 10:09:00.
There was an entire 28 minute window between the inicial agro timer and the 2nd ship being popped by concord with no active timer showing on screen.
That, combined with the fact that this game runs on real time* would lead someone to believe that he/she would undock without a problem.
* If I log off my skills remain to train whether I'm playing the game or not, The agro timer is therefore assumed to work in the same manor, combined with the fact that the timer was not showing leads me to believe I'm in the right in requesting;
A. A change in the system to better all of the players in eve. B. A reimbursment of my ship.
Question: how did you gain your GCC? And what were you doing in a 1.0 sec system with a GCC?
If you gained your GCC through actions in Jita (e.g. attacking the hurricane?) you should lose your ship to concord, shouldn't you?
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Tista
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Posted - 2009.11.12 18:47:00 -
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edited for clarity. -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.11.12 19:00:00 -
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I'm gonna support op with the following statement:
TIMERS NEED TO BE EASILY VISIBLE
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Sellmewarez
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Posted - 2009.11.12 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz ..and the fact that the actual aggro timer isn't 15, but 20 minutes that you can't see..
A clearer display of the timers would def. improve the game - the session change countdown was a good improvement but there's a long way to go.
Agreeing with this.
Apart from loggoffskis. Once somebody does the CTRL-Q make sure it keeps their ship in the same place in space for 1 minute and if they recieve aggro from something not NPC, start another 15/20 minute timer.
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.11.12 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: The Riddik
Originally by: Verone
Yeah, I love the Global Criminal flag one.
Kill something, get GCC.
Dock with GCC and be AFK for an hour for dinner.
Come back, no timers on screen, undock and get shot.
sorry, no sympathy for you. what your doing is pretty lame.
maybe, suck it up and try to be a man and stay in space till your aggo is over instead of trying to avoid the whole aggro mess.
how is staying in space "sucking it up" exactly? What if I don't want to float around in space? What if i want to refit my ship? Your post makes no sense.
We're not whining about the actual aggression,
IT'D JUST BE NICE TO KNOW WHEN WE HAVE IT
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2009.11.12 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arec Bardwin I'm gonna support op with the following statement:
TIMERS NEED TO BE EASILY VISIBLE
Agreed. ALL timers need to be easily visable. If you have any aggression timer (from any person, any NPC or PC corporation, concord, global, etc) it should show up in the upper left with the correct time.
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Jarna
Amarr Angelus Degeneris
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Posted - 2009.11.12 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Daplat Mode Hi, I may be able to help you. 1. Download and install test server so your not actually losing isk. 2. Test the mechanic that is troubling you. 3. Learn that Sentries seem to automatically reset a "hidden" 15min timer whenever you come within 150k of whatever it may be that they are guarding AND you have aggro/GCC. 4. ?????? 5. Stop whining on the forums/profit.
This may be a bug, or may be some sort of hidden mechanic but the bottom line is its not difficult to figure out how it works.
Yeah, because it's the customer's job to figure all this out?
In just about any other piece of software this "solution" would be frowned upon. Why is it ok with Eve?
So many CCP suckups in this place it's fricken unreal. ------------------------------
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.12 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Arec Bardwin I'm gonna support op with the following statement:
TIMERS NEED TO BE EASILY VISIBLE
I agree with this, all timers should be visible, period. No confusing mechanics to **** people off.
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Vitelius
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Arec Bardwin I'm gonna support op with the following statement:
TIMERS NEED TO BE EASILY VISIBLE
Agreed. Lost ships because CCP does not seem it fit to let us know when we've done something bad. Please, PLEASE show us the aggression timers and IF THEY RESET BECAUSE OF SOMETHING YOU DO, SHOW THE PROPER NUMBERS ON SCREEN! Can't be that hard! Can't blame the player when there are no visible indicators.
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