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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 17:23:52
Originally by: Mkiaki
Originally by: Hixxy
Originally by: Mkiaki Edited by: Mkiaki on 14/11/2009 17:02:44 CCP in admitting they're wrong shocker... now can you do the same for the sov and SC changes?
where?
Linkage
twist it more but its not in your favour. you lot knew about this and exploited it for a long time.
makes me wonder why it wasnt fixed for a long time now.
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Tista
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri
Originally by: Tista I've just posted all these details, including video evidence, and CCP Achnologing the issue.. if they say no to my reimbursment... can a member of CCP do it, or sack them please?
I'm just a lowly tester so I can't answer for the GM's, but since this is a client side glitch I would have to guess their logs show nothing wrong. On the server side it will simply look like you undocked too quickly.
logs shmogs.. still a bug:) -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
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Aralieus
Amarr Traumark Logistics
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:22:00 -
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Hmmm, seems I wont be docking at any stations till this is fixed I have never been a victim of it, but I normallly dont dock anyway, to easy to get camped in station.
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Mkiaki
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hixxy Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 17:23:52
Originally by: Mkiaki
Originally by: Hixxy
Originally by: Mkiaki Edited by: Mkiaki on 14/11/2009 17:02:44 CCP in admitting they're wrong shocker... now can you do the same for the sov and SC changes?
where?
Linkage
twist it more but its not in your favour. you lot knew about this and exploited it for a long time.
makes me wonder why it wasnt fixed for a long time now.
Excuse me while I harvest your tears, a few hours of enjoyment there.......*harvesting*
Ok now STFU.
TY.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 17:43:03 keep on dreaming. i know what's what.
more importantly others do too.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 17:52:14 Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 17:50:15 Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 17:47:47
Originally by: Aralieus Hmmm, seems I wont be docking at any stations till this is fixed I have never been a victim of it, but I normallly dont dock anyway, to easy to get camped in station.
dont try to dock when you shouldnt all all will be ok.
get in fast enough you get under the radar. the ship will be maked for death you wont.
this has been going on for years:) so get you petitions in.
want more?
la vista you want more?
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Drakkan Koran
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:56:00 -
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Can we also have it confirmed that logging off causes aggression timers to not display on re-logging?
Anecdotal example: You accidentally a target outside Jita 4 - 4 by ctrl clicking the continually moving overview with primed guns. You get 'corded, you dock in your pod, you ctrl Q in emo. You have a cup of tea and phone your Mum. You relog to buy a new ship and there is no display showing that you are still GCFed. You undock and get WTFBBQed.
Is the above example possible?
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.14 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 18:03:44
Originally by: Drakkan Koran Can we also have it confirmed that logging off causes aggression timers to not display on re-logging?
Anecdotal example: You accidentally a target outside Jita 4 - 4 by ctrl clicking the continually moving overview with primed guns. You get 'corded, you dock in your pod, you ctrl Q in emo. You have a cup of tea and phone your Mum. You relog to buy a new ship and there is no display showing that you are still GCFed. You undock and get WTFBBQed.
Is the above example possible?
works both ways but i can tell you why the **** it hasnt been fixed.
aon need to interview la vista so i can wipe my arse on it.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Hixxy on 14/11/2009 18:24:23
Originally by: Drakkan Koran Can we also have it confirmed that logging off causes aggression timers to not display on re-logging?
Anecdotal example: You accidentally a target outside Jita 4 - 4 by ctrl clicking the continually moving overview with primed guns. You get 'corded, you dock in your pod, you ctrl Q in emo. You have a cup of tea and phone your Mum. You relog to buy a new ship and there is no display showing that you are still GCFed. You undock and get WTFBBQed.
Is the above example possible?
you docked wen you knew you couldnt right? lets undock in a ship that doesnt look anything like what your driving:P
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Drakkan Koran
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:25:00 -
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Such a thing has never happened to me, I have never tried to dock while GCFed hence me asking. Perhaps I misused the anecdotal word.
Though I'll not deny it is how I imagined the OPs situation came to be. |
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari The Confederate Navy Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2009.11.14 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hixxy i didn't know about it either right. let's all forget about it. 1 less cheat anyway.
****ing lamers
Wow, did you read the thread at all? This has nothing to do with CONCORD at all. CONCORD isn't even involved one bit. Could you please at least do some research before you start throwing personal insults around?
Clueless person... ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard |
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CCP Sisyphus
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Posted - 2009.11.14 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 22:57:28
The "Hidden Timer" complaint is as follows:
1) Player X in low sec shoots at a non outlaw in a belt 2) Player X triggers a 15 min GCC 3) Player X loots wreck, salvages wreck and warps to dock
AT THIS POINT HE HAS. -->A GCC timer OF 13 MINS (2 mins for looting fot the sake of argument)(displayed) -->A Player aggression timer to his recently killed target (irrelevant to this discussion but also displayed)
4) Player lands on station
5) STATION "SEES" THE GLOBAL CRIMINAL AND INITIATES FIRING PROCEDURE 6) Pilot is DOCKED before the sentrys can get a shot off
AT THIS POINT HE HAS ->> Global Criminal Timer of 12.5 mins (30 seconds assumed to warp to station) --> Player Aggression Timer to Player whom was killed in the belt
-->AND A NOT DISPLAYED, FIFTEEN MINUTE TIMER TO THE STATION CORPORATION: This is the hidden timer which will cause the later destruction of your ship.
If the station managed to get a shot off, then the correct 15 min timer is displayed. If it "saw" the pilot but the docking procedure was so rapid that no shots were fired, the same 15 min timer is triggered, but it is NOT displayed
END RESULT:
The end result is that 13 mins after docking, there are no aggression timers displayed to the player. Indeed the GCC and the killed player aggression has finished.
But there is STILL 120 seconds (in the above case) of aggession due from the station which is not displayed. The player then undocks in a interceptor and is one volleyed by the station and destroyed.
In addition the station timer is reset to 15 mins and is now correctly displayed.
Depending on the timings - there can be up to a 14 minute 59 second hidden timer from the station.
Hope this is of help
SKUNK
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TLDR: Put simply, One suspects that the station aggression timer is triggered on sight, but the display of the timer is triggered on the first shot.
The docking procedure prevents the shot and so prevents the display of the timer, but not its actual triggering.
QFE!
Its reports like this that let us reproduce an issue and find out where in the code things are less than optimal. If we got more bug reports like this, with detailed repro steps that work there would be less bugs in eve :)
Only improvement I can think of would be to give an example station (this doesn't happen on all stations, only ones that allow an "immediate dock")+
Thank you very much Le Skunk.
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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.14 19:05:00 -
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I'm fairly astonished that GMs don't know about this - or claim not to. Doesn't matter if they are "pirates" or not. They should and they don't which is pretty inexcusable. Oh and I KNOW you've had bugreports on this prior to now.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike The Council.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Othran I'm fairly astonished that GMs don't know about this - or claim not to. Doesn't matter if they are "pirates" or not. They should and they don't which is pretty inexcusable. Oh and I KNOW you've had bugreports on this prior to now.
QFT I'm fairly certain that I reported this two years ago.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.14 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus QFE!
Its reports like this that let us reproduce an issue and find out where in the code things are less than optimal. If we got more bug reports like this, with detailed repro steps that work there would be less bugs in eve :)
Only improvement I can think of would be to give an example station (this doesn't happen on all stations, only ones that allow an "immediate dock")+
Thank you very much Le Skunk.
all stations allow immediate dock. just:
1) set up a bookmark inside dock radius 2) warp to bookmark 3) when you land press dock.
as long as you aren't running on a 10 year old machine, or getting your packets routed through hell, you should dock up well before the sentries get a shot off.
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Isurus Paucus
Omicron Resource Technologies Limited
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Posted - 2009.11.14 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hixxy
you docked wen you knew you couldnt right? lets undock in a ship that doesnt look anything like what your driving:P
What in the hell are you on about? You CAN dock once you've been concorded as they've gotten their piece. We're not talking about avoiding Concord at all, but docking when you have a criminal flag (which one can get WITHOUT being concorded in low-sec last I checked).
There is no game mechanic that says you can't dock with a criminal flag unless you are attempting to avoid concord. As we're not talking about that, you're a bit off base.
Or you're just an idiot. Take your pick.
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Iguny
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Posted - 2009.11.14 19:38:00 -
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last thing i heard about this about 1 year ago. This was a exploit, and got you baned.
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Bfoster
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri OK, so I came into the office today specifically to research this case (need to stop reading forums on Friday nights) and wasn't expecting anything really. I had heard of this issue before but never been able to reproduce it.
Took about an hour of warping to various stations (love those CONCORD stations in Egbinger) before one finally let me dock quickly enough to evade the sentries. Sure enough, after waiting for the timers to run out I undocked only to be blasted by sentry fire.
I can't promise that it will be fixed in Dominion but we'll do our best.
Thanks.. ------------
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.14 20:16:00 -
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Rewinding to when all these timers were added it was very clearly the intention that you had to stay in space while flagged, and that docking could not be used to avoid or wait out the timer.
No idea why anyone thinks it should be any different now, and I am a little saddened to see CCP testing this as if it were a bug.
アニメ漫画です
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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.14 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 14/11/2009 20:24:47 As a developer has now reproduced the bug can we now have confirmation that ALL GMs have been alerted to this and will be reimbursing ships without the usual nonsense - AKA the logs they show nothing?
You see the reason I knew about this is because this predates GCC timers by a VERY long time. I got a ship reimbursed on a long since dead account in 2004 - yes FIVE years ago - because a GM who DID play the game knew exactly why the sentry guns popped me.
Oh and Avon - its to do with timers NOT being displayed. Nobody is talking about "evading" anything, but getting one ship popped is all that was meant to happen if you got concord on your case. Having faction/corp sentries popping you when you can't even SEE a timer is asinine in the extreme!
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B Cassidy
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Posted - 2009.11.14 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: B Cassidy on 14/11/2009 20:30:24 Those of you who saw my explanations on the KM's above back like 2 pages are hilarious. You all decided to discuss the point i made about the final blows. Fine but you completely ignored the fact that concord was on BOTH KM's.
If the concord model of crime and punishment extended into real life it would suck to commit a crime go to jail on your day of release they let you take 2 steps out of the jail only to come back and throw you back in for another sentence on the same crime...
The point of discussing the km's was because I was hoping to get an explanation as to why Concord chose to partake in blowing up 2 different ships 1 with reason 1 without?
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Deziel Sma
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Posted - 2009.11.14 20:41:00 -
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I am guessing that you get concorded again if you are in a ship (other than a shuttle), in space, in hi-sec and have active GCF.
Shall I just log in and see for myself?
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.14 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Iguny last thing i heard about this about 1 year ago. This was a exploit, and got you baned.
I agree concord should be banned for this. Definitely.
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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.14 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 14/11/2009 21:34:31 Yes Deziel you will.
Since Avon felt the need to (once again) bring up ancient history I thought I'd remind him how concord was orginally SUPPOSED to work. He and I both know why the "eye for an eye" approach failed though.
I would reiterate though that once your ship gets popped by concord (assuming GCC in high-sec) there is NO REASON AT ALL AND NEVER HAS BEEN why you could not dock up in your pod and wait out the aggro.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 14/11/2009 22:01:00 I don't understand why people are talking about CONCORD or exploits or whatever, maybe someone can enlighten me.
You can't dock in highsec in a ship with a GCF, the message says you are denied docking rights for several minutes if memory serves. Since CONCORD never take long to appear in practice most people never see this message anyway, in fact the only time you'd see it is if you were aligned to a station, got yourself a GCF and warped before CONCORD turned up. Either way you'd lose your ship in all circumstances.
In lowsec you can dock, in ships, whilst having a GCF, you just get shot at by the station sentries if you land outside docking range.
Maybe Hixxy is getting confused? Noone is talking about evading anything, or exploits or whatever. Being lit up by sentries when you think it's safe to undock or jump is not fun, I've had it happen a couple of times myself and if your ship can't tank sentry fire anyway you can often be in serrous trouble when it happens.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.14 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 14/11/2009 22:07:53 I don't understand why people are talking about CONCORD or exploits or whatever, maybe someone can enlighten me.
A lot of people only train reading and comprehension to level one or two tops.. They have trolling, whining and emoraging maxed though.
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Mrs Snowman
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Posted - 2009.11.14 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Othran I'm fairly astonished that GMs don't know about this - or claim not to. Doesn't matter if they are "pirates" or not. They should and they don't which is pretty inexcusable. Oh and I KNOW you've had bugreports on this prior to now.
Indeed.
Especially as people in CCP claim to play Eve all the time!..
Its just like the drone problem, for years they denied there was ever a problem, and yet anyone who ever used drones knew it.
Problems like this only seem to get addressed when there is enough spam about it in general chat.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.11.15 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs Snowman
Originally by: Othran I'm fairly astonished that GMs don't know about this - or claim not to. Doesn't matter if they are "pirates" or not. They should and they don't which is pretty inexcusable. Oh and I KNOW you've had bugreports on this prior to now.
Indeed.
Especially as people in CCP claim to play Eve all the time!..
Its just like the drone problem, for years they denied there was ever a problem, and yet anyone who ever used drones knew it.
Problems like this only seem to get addressed when there is enough spam about it in general chat.
They did say they failed to reproduce the bug. Can't fix it until you can reproduce it. The tidbit of info no-one apparently mentioned in the bugreports was to dock before the guns fire, which is only possible at certain stations or use of bookmarks. This information was included in this thread.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Kibbler
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.11.15 02:18:00 -
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Confirming I've lost a Buzzard and Crow to this bug and that it has been around for years.
Confirming it really sucks having the game tell you your aggression for everything else, then 'hiding' actual deadly aggression rights.
Fixplz.
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Kastovic Sm'irle
RSP Enterprises Huzzah Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.15 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Rewinding to when all these timers were added it was very clearly the intention that you had to stay in space while flagged, and that docking could not be used to avoid or wait out the timer.
No idea why anyone thinks it should be any different now, and I am a little saddened to see CCP testing this as if it were a bug.
Agreed.
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