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Sulg
Quicksilver Industries Amici Noctis
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:50:00 -
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If a fairly small number of EVE players even bother voting, does anyone really think that many will bother to go through 49 different web pages to fully understand the candidates' platform? I think there's a reason that in politics there are normally only a couple of candidates-because the differences between them are then much more apparent, and consequently, each candidate will more thoroughly be looked over.
I'm mostly interested in getting feedback here, because I'm curious: has anyone really gone down the entire list and read every single candidate's platform?
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:16:00 -
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My concern is how fragmented the voting will become with so many people to choose from. In effect it could be handing more seats to the bloc voting Alliances.
Voter apathy is pretty bad too, just look at how few reads the candidate threads have been getting in here but it seems to go further.
The original Candidate announcement page had the raw text pasted to it and whilst I and others sent updated (html formatted) text to CCP it wasn't (afaik) uploaded (Some people didn't put any campaign message in when they applied but it didn't hurt their application at all).
Now the voting site is open, but no official notification on the homepage, in game or on the RSS news feeds.
I know there are 2 weeks to vote, but it is a shame that there has been no official announcement from CCP to raise the visibility of the voting process.
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Qual
Gallente Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:46:00 -
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He, I guess that is why I ended up NOT having a website, nor a long platform message. Just a short statement.
Either the people who know me form my six years in the game will be enough or it wont. I dont think the information on the voting pages count for much in the end...
You could probaly cut down on the candidate list by requiring that a certain number of people support you candidacy in the first place. (Many real life election systems solves the problem that way.)
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Qual Either the people who know me form my six years in the game will be enough or it wont. I dont think the information on the voting pages count for much in the end...
You are probably right, but then again just a simple site and a little bit of campaigning might sway a few floating voters. I decided not to take anything for granted.
Originally by: Qual You could probaly cut down on the candidate list by requiring that a certain number of people support you candidacy in the first place. (Many real life election systems solves the problem that way.)
That is an interesting idea.
The question is what number do you put for this? 10 people? 50 people? 100 people? I suspect it isn't difficult to get that level of support and so it might not make much difference to the number of candidates for the extra complexity involved.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:57:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal created a Vote Match, just fill out the questionnaire and you get the CSM candidates matching your views. Just read up on them so you don't have to go through all of the others, and vote.
I personally only look at these forums, I didn't read the whole list of candidates on the EVE website, as anyone that doesn't have a thread here is just slacking and doesn't deserve a vote. ---
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.12 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Dierdra Vaal created a Vote Match, just fill out the questionnaire and you get the CSM candidates matching your views. Just read up on them so you don't have to go through all of the others, and vote.
I agree the vote match is a useful tool, but it doesn't give the whole story so I hope people do still read some of the campaign sites.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah anyone that doesn't have a thread here is just slacking and doesn't deserve a vote.
I agree, however if you look at the number of reads per candidate thread it is pretty poor. Some threads have been up for a month with only a few thousand views in that time (and that isn't unique viewers).
Many of us have put the effort in to campaign outside of the forums via Si radio, campaign sites, in game events etc but we won't see if that has increased the overall number of voters until the 2nd of December...
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T'Amber
ships of eve
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Posted - 2009.11.14 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Dierdra Vaal created a Vote Match, just fill out the questionnaire and you get the CSM candidates matching your views. Just read up on them so you don't have to go through all of the others, and vote.
I personally only look at these forums, I didn't read the whole list of candidates on the EVE website, as anyone that doesn't have a thread here is just slacking and doesn't deserve a vote.
This is a useful tool for some candidates but not all. I would like to use it but It doesn't cover alot of issues that I am promoting and it will not correctly refect my views.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.11.14 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sulg does anyone really think that many will bother to go through 49 different web pages to fully understand the candidates' platform?
I view it as kinda sad that only 49 accounts out of 300k are willing and eligible to run for CSM...
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Mynxee
Minmatar Hellcats The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.11.14 21:29:00 -
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If you take the time to go through the list and click the links of the candidates (as I have done), you'll discover there are not 49 web sites to look at. Most of the links go nowhere or nowhere that provides CSM-related info about the candidate. A quick hover with the pointer over the links will reveal this.
I discussed the signal to noise ratio in my blog when the candidates list was announced. After eliminating the obvious jokers followed by the ones with uninformative campaign statements and no useful web link, there are maybe a dozen candidates I would characterize as serious and worth considering.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
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Posted - 2009.11.14 22:59:00 -
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The main effect that we've seen over the last few years is that it's not so much a matter of people reviewing the candidates, as the candidates campaigning to the voters, not in the forums, but actively via alliances, corporations, pod-casts and being known for previous activities and accomplishments in the game eg. Look at the past people; running Universities, leading communities, making fansites, blogging, making media videos. This isn't a lot of activity.
That said, if 10%-20% of the player base read the forums, then they're probably not reading this section. That would amount to 30k - 60k votes, which typically aren't seen.
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Dex Timor
Forza Di Colpo
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Posted - 2009.11.18 01:02:00 -
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As Mynxee said, you can get the list down to a dozen people fairly quickly. After that or even before that you can use the match making site to confirm your choice.
What I wanted to add to the discussion is that a person with good ideas will still be able to voice them even if not elected to the CSM. That's what this forum is for. On the other hand a person with a to narrow mindset will not make a good CSM imo. I'm certain we'll get candidates with different points of view elected.
But to the OP, you're correct a fair amount of new players ignore what the CSM is about. 49 candidates is discouraging at first sight, but you have 2 weeks to go through the entire list. I would think that discussing your vote in-game and the reasons behind your vote will encourage more players to vote.
And by the way, I didn't vote for a spinning kitty or a girl in a bikini. But I'm curious to see how many votes those candidates get.
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Song Li
MinmaTire Corporation LTD
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele The main effect that we've seen over the last few years is that it's not so much a matter of people reviewing the candidates, as the candidates campaigning to the voters, not in the forums, but actively via alliances, corporations, pod-casts and being known for previous activities and accomplishments in the game eg. Look at the past people; running Universities, leading communities, making fansites, blogging, making media videos. This isn't a lot of activity.
That's pretty much true though of all elections. It's all selling via advertising. I'm actually disheartened at the number of candidates that are being pro active and looking for other avenues of campaigning past the forums. I think it says a lot for those that are taking the time and effort to get themselves out there and seen. They're putting in the work already which I think is a good thing.
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Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:37:00 -
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It will be interesting how many votes the 'no show' candidates garner out of sheer randomness.
The good news is a wide field helps spread the random factor out enough that there will be little chance of an 'accidental election'.
The one thing I wish CCP had done was put a shuffle on the candidates list so it was not the same person at the top of the page each time. I know some folks had to 'F3' to find specific candidates in the wish to vote for them.
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Mynxee
Hellcats
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Posted - 2009.11.25 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Azariah It will be interesting how many votes the 'no show' candidates garner out of sheer randomness.... The one thing I wish CCP had done was put a shuffle on the candidates list so it was not the same person at the top of the page each time.
Or get votes from pre-committed voting blocks that we don't even know about. That's politics, too, I guess.
Good idea about the random reshuffle.
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Extreme
Eye of God Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.01 01:23:00 -
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Edited by: Extreme on 01/12/2009 01:23:31
Originally by: Sulg ...... because I'm curious: has anyone really gone down the entire list and read every single candidate's platform?
I am (always) down on that list . .
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Jonathan Dawnchaser
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.12.01 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Azariah It will be interesting how many votes the 'no show' candidates garner out of sheer randomness.
The good news is a wide field helps spread the random factor out enough that there will be little chance of an 'accidental election'.
The one thing I wish CCP had done was put a shuffle on the candidates list so it was not the same person at the top of the page each time. I know some folks had to 'F3' to find specific candidates in the wish to vote for them.
mike Mike Azariah
I agree about the shuffle (and I was posted at the top). I am not sure if I ever actually said it, I know I typed it a lot (hard to keep straight what I do and don't edit out). If I didn't, it was because I didn't want to seem false.
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