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Karno
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:32:00 -
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I'd just like to check two things:
1) Creating a "sleeper" corp for the purpose of moving to it in order to avoid a war and then moving back when the war is over, Exploit yes/no?
2) Abusing a certain game mechanic when camped in a station in order to undock and warp off without being able to be touched, Exploit yes/no?
Both of these are done by my alliance and neither of them sit well with me, I'd just like to confirm my suspicions.
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar Kiroshi Group
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:37:00 -
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1) Not an exploit. Actually joining a NON NPC corp for this would make them still capable of being war-dec'd. 2) If you mean a bookmark that is in a straight line while exiting the station, that's a normal mechanic as well.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Karno 2) Abusing a certain game mechanic when camped in a station in order to undock and warp off without being able to be touched, Exploit yes/no?
By definition that would be an exploit. Abusing game mechanics always is wrong. The question is, are the using game mechanics or abusing them?
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Karno
1) Creating a "sleeper" corp for the purpose of moving to it in order to avoid a war and then moving back when the war is over, Exploit yes/no?
Yes, GMs/DEVs have repeatedly said this is considered an exploit and may have very negative repercussions for anyone doing it up to and including banning if my memory serves me right.
Originally by: Karno
2) Abusing a certain game mechanic when camped in a station in order to undock and warp off without being able to be touched, Exploit yes/no?
If you are talking about insta-bookmarks (Bookmark in a straight line away from undock so you can warp immediately to it when undocking), no. That is very common, and smart.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:46:00 -
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Leaving your corporation during a wardec, while a bit lame, is not an exploit to my knowledge.
As for a 'certain game mechanic' to warp instantly on undock, well I can only think of 2 and neither of those are an exploit. One being making 'insta undock' bookmarks in line with the undocking direction which you can warp to, and the other being logging off as soon as you undock, then logging back in and as soon as you are in space logging off again and repeating as neccessary so that when you finally log back in you end up at the location where you e-warped to on one of the previous logouts instead of the station(even more chezy than dodging decs imo, but still is not an exploit to the best of my knowledge)... --------------------------------------------
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Yarinor
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Karno 2) Abusing a certain game mechanic when camped in a station in order to undock and warp off without being able to be touched, Exploit yes/no?
By definition that would be an exploit. Abusing game mechanics always is wrong. The question is, are the using game mechanics or abusing them?
By that logic fitting sensorboosters is wrong, since they're abusing the mechanic that says higher sensor strength locks faster.
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Karno
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:54:00 -
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By "abusing" I mean that they are, in my opinion, doing something that you should not be able to do within the current game rules and mechanics, there is no simple button which does what they are doing, they are confusing the game system with a certain string of actions.
With regards to the sleeper corp, note that it's with the intent to use it solely to avoid wardecs and then return to the main corp.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Karno By "abusing" I mean that they are, in my opinion, doing something that you should not be able to do within the current game rules and mechanics, there is no simple button which does what they are doing, they are confusing the game system with a certain string of actions.
If it is the string of actions I outlined in my reply above then it is not technically an exploit, as CCP has stated that they cannot control when a player disconnect/reconnects. That aside, it is definitely bad form, but this is EVE, where 90% of the game is bad form and metagaming. --------------------------------------------
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.13 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Karno By "abusing" I mean that they are, in my opinion, doing something that you should not be able to do within the current game rules and mechanics, there is no simple button which does what they are doing, they are confusing the game system with a certain string of actions.
With regards to the sleeper corp, note that it's with the intent to use it solely to avoid wardecs and then return to the main corp.
It would be easier to answer if you would just say EXACTLY what they do rather than being this vague. ---
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Karno
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Thuul'Khalat It would be easier to answer if you would just say EXACTLY what they do rather than being this vague.
I realise that but even if it ISN'T an exploit I don't want to go spreading around instructions on how to do it. If you're camped in a station then call for help or try running for it, having a method where you can escape 100% freely no matter how many enemies or what you're in isn't something I feel should be getting spread around technical exploit or no.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Karno
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat It would be easier to answer if you would just say EXACTLY what they do rather than being this vague.
I realise that but even if it ISN'T an exploit I don't want to go spreading around instructions on how to do it. If you're camped in a station then call for help or try running for it, having a method where you can escape 100% freely no matter how many enemies or what you're in isn't something I feel should be getting spread around technical exploit or no.
Can you at least confirm or deny that what you are talking about is the logoffski process which I lined out above? --------------------------------------------
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Karno I'd just like to check two things:
1) Creating a "sleeper" corp for the purpose of moving to it in order to avoid a war and then moving back when the war is over, Exploit yes/no?
This one I am unsure of and may have to confer with other members of IEEE. There are always rumors on the forums that swing both ways, one stating that while cheap it allowed, and another stating that it is an exploit.
Originally by: Karno 2) Abusing a certain game mechanic when camped in a station in order to undock and warp off without being able to be touched, Exploit yes/no?
This one is not only allowed but encouraged. During a wardec it is wise to have a list of safeguards; war targets in your address book as well as distributed list through corp mail, local separated from all other channels, as well as several safe spots in your system and nearby surrounding systems, which also includes station warp out of you r most frequented stations. After all, it would be bad practice to allow your opponent to reduce your flying time.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Karno
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat It would be easier to answer if you would just say EXACTLY what they do rather than being this vague.
I realise that but even if it ISN'T an exploit I don't want to go spreading around instructions on how to do it. If you're camped in a station then call for help or try running for it, having a method where you can escape 100% freely no matter how many enemies or what you're in isn't something I feel should be getting spread around technical exploit or no.
Then what was the point of asking in the first place? How do you expect anyone to be able to answer if something is an exploit without even knowing what is being done... ---
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts on 13/11/2009 18:19:15 If it really is an exploit someone will come in and remove it from the thread anyway. Then we all will know for sure, wont we? --------------------------------------------
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts Edited by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts on 13/11/2009 18:19:15 If it really is an exploit someone will come in and remove it from the thread anyway. Then we all will know for sure, wont we?
His fear is probably of someone coming in and removing HIM, if you get what I mean
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Kahora Catori
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:27:00 -
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It all sounds pathetic...
Should have added the LOGOFSKIS... had it happen to me with 3 different fights the other day... FAIL if I ever saw one.
You corp sounds pretty sad if they are swapping corps to avoid war dec. I would just leave the corp, you dont want that fail to rubb on you.
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