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SpeakerForTheDad
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Posted - 2009.11.14 14:30:00 -
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I need someone to make me smart - could take more than one because it's a big task.
I think that what I am looking for is an alliance that accepts small corps. Discussions that I have had to-date always get hung up on my wanting to maintain some autonomy while getting into group play.
What I think I have to offer: three toons filling different roles - one for manufacture/research/invent; one for mining/hauling/EW; one for combat/exploration. Right now, for historical reasons, they are in two small corps. I'd like to put those two corps (or combine them into one) into an alliance in 0.0. From what I understand of the changes to sov in Dominion, I should be a godsend to any alliance - exactly the type of player that helps to "improve" a system. In a couple of conversations with prospective alliances, though, I got turned down cold. I thought they'd be eager to take me.
I am not complaining, but I am confused. What don't I know about the operation of a 0.0 alliance that explains this disconnect?
To be clear: I would be a heavy ISK contributor. I like all aspects of the game - hence the three toons. I am looking to experience 0.0 after playing solo in hisec for over a year. My guys can fly a dread, an Orca or a Fenrir - and build them. They can all fly Cheetahs. My miner has some gang skills, though he has not had the opportunity to use them.
I am utterly and totally uninterested in game politics. The miner is than willing to pitch in gang skills and ships or to dig at asteroids on his own. The indy can build damned near anything. He brings his own POSes, BPOs, etc. He has a helper, so they can keep multiple labs and arrays humming. And the missioner/combat pilot is eager to learn PvP. She is happy to do anything from tackling with a cheap frig to bringing her own dread or carrier to the fight.
The toons are getting smarter every day, but *I* am still ignorant (not stupid, I hope), and I lack experience. My corps have no structure - all members are directors. I do not know how to manage with non-director members, and I am concerned about organizing a large pile of stuff without director access to all hangars.
I see myself operating as a minor baron - tending my little patch, improving the sov space, contributing service as needed or required, joining in the process of holding, protecting and improving alliance space. A low-maintenance, net positive to the alliance with the prospect of growing into a major contributor.
Why is that not an attractive offer?
Speaker
The Dad Abides
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Kafkan
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Posted - 2009.11.14 15:32:00 -
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I sent you a mail in game that may be of help.
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SpeakerForTheDad
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Posted - 2009.11.15 15:53:00 -
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Had a few in-game contacts. I really appreciate the opportunities - but I'd still like to see some more while we are still negotiating.
Speaker
The Dad Abides
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SpeakerForTheDad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.17 15:25:00 -
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Saw the shuttle launch yesterday.
Anyone else want to go and stake a claim?
I'd like to go with you.
Speaker
The Dad Abides
Speaker
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.11.17 15:48:00 -
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Contact me in-game and I think I might be able to assist. The operation I'm in probably isn't what you are looking for, but I believe couple of my contacts could help you. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Joshua M
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2009.11.17 20:14:00 -
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Why not try Providence?
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SpeakerForTheDad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.17 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua M Why not try Providence?
A good suggestion. I am out there now looking around. The thing is that I cannot hold a system by myself, so I am looking for an alliance that will take me - and provide enough mates so that we can hold a system together.
And I am still curious why alliances are disinclined to take small corps who can bring assets and enough effort to improve any system (at least a little bit)?
Speaker
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
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Posted - 2009.11.17 21:37:00 -
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Have you thought about worm holes? You can mine/build and do your thing and not worry about politics.
We could work out something if your interested.
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SpeakerForTheDad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.18 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Have you thought about worm holes? You can mine/build and do your thing and not worry about politics.
We could work out something if your interested.
I am interested. My experience in WH space is very limited, but I hear good things from people who have really worked at exploring and holding WH systems.
Gotta believe that an Eye Bee Em-er knows about "systems."
Speaker
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SpeakerForTheDad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.18 23:32:00 -
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Several folks have worried over the term "autonomous." All I mean by it is that I have a pile of stuff, and I don't see any way of managing it without my own POS and station hangars. Otherwise, I will be one of the guys - a PvP noob, but a manufacturing, mining, researching, ratting dynamo.
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SpeakerForTheDad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:20:00 -
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To get additional insight into what I think I have to offer, you might want to check out my contributions to the thread originated by Lilly Tiger.
You may also find others who are in similar circumstances and looking to join an alliance to see the universe.
Speaker
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RD Hooker
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:05:00 -
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SpeakerForTheDad, I have started a channel ingame for discussing the possibility of forming an alliance of small corps such as yours and mine for the purpose of staking claim to a chunk of nullsec space through rent/tribute. The channel is Small Corps with Grand Dreams
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SpeakerForTheDad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.21 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: RD Hooker SpeakerForTheDad, I have started a channel ingame for discussing the possibility of forming an alliance of small corps such as yours and mine for the purpose of staking claim to a chunk of nullsec space through rent/tribute. The channel is Small Corps with Grand Dreams
Thanks, RD. I'll check it out in a few hours. Way past time for bed here.
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Chill5
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Posted - 2009.11.21 12:38:00 -
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We have a small corp of 11 members, and have reached a point where we have a great and mixed skill-set, but are interested in heading into null-sec. An alliance is really the only way that this would be feasible. We have a hi-sec POS, but also want to moon mine etc.
We have a great range of skills for pvp/pve, but have a number of members who are low in SP (4mill+ ish), but also some with much higher SP.
We would be interested in sharing null-sec space with other corps if the oportunity arose.
msg in-game with info if this "floats-ur-boat".
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RD Hooker
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Posted - 2009.11.21 16:29:00 -
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I'm all for forming a small alliance for the purposes of moving into null peacably.
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SpeakerForTheDad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.21 17:49:00 -
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OK guys, good news - for me at least. I have been accepted into an alliance with an assignment deep in 0.0 space.
I don't really know what to expect, of course, but this is exciting. The acceptance should take in the next 4 or 5 hours. Then I start the process of moving toons and materiel.
Here's my offer: let's keep in touch and keep this conversation going. I'll let you know what my experience is, and each of you do the same. We can use RD's mailing list to start with. We could also set up a group blog or web site out of game. What do you think?
I am struck by how many guys find themselves in a similar situation. At root what we think we are missing is the PvP training and FC training that would permit us to function profitably in 0.0.
My takeaway from the interviews that I have done over the last few months that that single deficiency only scratches the surface. I now have the impression that 0.0 is a game of logistics and breadth of enterprise - and numbers. When it comes right down to it, you have to have a minimum number of pilots in a particular space with sufficient fire power and leadership to win a fight. If you cannot pull it off consistently, you may survive, but you cannot prosper for long in 0.0.
Most of the questions that I was asked in my interviews boiled down to a single proposition: would I respond to a call-to-arms (CTA)? Woody Allen famously said that 50% of success is just showing up. My impression now is that the required percentage in 0.0 is significantly higher. At the very least that is the belief of those who currently inhabit 0.0 and vet possible allies.
I do think that the extended discussion in this forum has helped to persuade some alliances that Dominion's changes shift the equation in the direction of bringing in more "peaceful" enterprises. We can earn our keep by working at mining, ratting, etc. to "improve" the systems we inhabit.
But Dominion does not alter the basic requirement of responding to CTA. Without the full commitment of the new miners and intys to the cause of fighting to hold the space, their other contributions will ultimately be worthless - to the original alliance, that is.
The Dominion model suddenly begins to look a lot more like real life because the non-PvP specialist miners and ratters who are brought in to improve the yield of sov systems can stay on and do the same for their "new ant masters" when sov changes hands.
This is one of the prime differences to the old sov model. The alliances really need to expand their population in order to make the most (or even enough) from the systems they hold, but the new population can survive - potentially with little or no loss - by accepting a change in sovereignty holders and just continuing their background peaceful pursuits.
All of this has been brought home to me as a result of the last few weeks of discussion and interviews. Though never quite stated explicitly, this is the question on the minds of the leaders of 0.0 alliances: Will the new population that they need to maximize their sovereign holdings also help them to defend, hold or expand those holdings?
Wow. This is going to be fun. I wonder who is going to be smart enough, clever enough, ruthless enough, and persuasive enough to pull this off. The next year should be quite a ride.
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RD Hooker
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Posted - 2009.11.21 18:46:00 -
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Congratulations. Glad to see you found a home. I'll definitely have my channel (it is a channel btw, not a mailing list) up indefinitely for those of us who haven't found a home yet :)
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Chill5
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Posted - 2009.11.21 20:19:00 -
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Thanks for the info Speaker - and gratz.
RD, I'll drop into your channel to say hi soon.
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RD Hooker
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Posted - 2009.11.26 07:06:00 -
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I hope your luck has been better than mine.
We're still in the searching for a nullsec place to call home. We have quite a few people ready to form a small alliance for sov/ship building/etc, but we're having a hard time finding a home.
How's your life been in nullsec?
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SpeakerForTheDad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.26 17:32:00 -
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For those of you who followed and contributed to this thread earlier, I just wanted you to know that my first attempt did not work out well.
I got scammed by the Dogs of War alliance.
I set up in 9ol at their station, moved a couple of toons down there, and shipped a jump freighter full of goods via the alliance leader - named monomatic.
The courier contract showed up as "Failed" at about the same time as my corp was booted from the alliance. A couple of billion worth of goods disappeared.
I managed to get into the alliance chat to post one message, then got cut off as soon as monomatic logged in.
I moved into the Insmother Intel chat and got off one message before I got cut off from that channel as well.
Changed all of my API keys and passwords.
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
Still looking for a 0.0 home - or WH space. I have a good lead there, but I'm not sure how this experience will affect my prospects.
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RD Hooker
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Posted - 2009.11.26 17:39:00 -
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Wish I could say I've had much better luck. So far, the only thing we've been able to do is avoid being scammed.
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PastaGuy
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.11.28 02:27:00 -
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I have been following your thread, and... wow! I really didn't expect this. It's profoundly low. I can't fathom what kind of person would scam ISK in such a manner. Well, I suppose the Dogs of War are pirates of the worst kind.
I managed to find a vacant lvl 4 cataclysmic today. I am going to float around and explore the adjacent systems for a few weeks before setting up shop... or not.
I wish you the best of luck and fully agree the actions taken by the Dogs of War convey profoundly poor character. Pasta Guy |
pittom
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Posted - 2009.11.28 08:21:00 -
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Alright bud...
You can open an office in one of the player stations in Providence, it's a bit expensive i think i'm 30 odd mill a month but its the price you pay for a 0.0 office but at least you'll have the corp hangers you seek...(It did take a while to find a station with an available office but they are around)
This wont help with your POS requirments as you'd have next to no chance of being allowed to anchor one in Providence, even after Dominion has been deployed I cant imagine Provi rules changing that much (Not straight away at least)
The problem you have finding an alliance is very commom, most are obsessed with numbers and how many ships can be called on to fight!!
Will Dominion change this?? maybe!! but i fear it will always come down to numbers...
I'm out of game till next week but will certainly be keeping an eye on your progress!!
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SeerinDarkness
Minmatar An Tir
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Posted - 2009.11.28 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: SeerinDarkness on 28/11/2009 12:14:36 I believe i can help you understand somewhat. 1 your wish to maintain autonomy says to people that you want the position but at the same time you do not wish to fully engage in alliance goals and aims...big red flag there i must say. 2 alliance politics in o.o sov space everything is politics get used to the idea. 3 Numbers have a quality all their own..when it comes down to the nity gritty sov defence personell/corps Must be there for alliance no matter what their background is...any and every char is useful even if all you can fly is a tackle frig/cov ops scout/logistics cruiser/ewar cruiser pilot and the like as every industry guy that can do fleet support roles frees up somone with the skills to be a heavy dps pilot to do their primary job of killing stuff. 4 your asking for trouble if your giving directors roles to everyone, ever heard of GHSC? meta gamers/spies/griefers abound and are constantly making attempts at destroying corp moral/griefing. 5 NBSI alliances in general are Not good cannidates for your intrests, most of them will percieve you as niaeve and weak and will take your stuff for themselves if they can. Seerindarkness : An Tir : Ceo
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SpeakerForTheDad
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.29 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: SeerinDarkness Edited by: SeerinDarkness on 28/11/2009 12:14:36 I believe i can help you understand somewhat. 1 your wish to maintain autonomy says to people that you want the position but at the same time you do not wish to fully engage in alliance goals and aims...big red flag there i must say. 2 alliance politics in o.o sov space everything is politics get used to the idea. 3 Numbers have a quality all their own..when it comes down to the nity gritty sov defence personell/corps Must be there for alliance no matter what their background is...any and every char is useful even if all you can fly is a tackle frig/cov ops scout/logistics cruiser/ewar cruiser pilot and the like as every industry guy that can do fleet support roles frees up somone with the skills to be a heavy dps pilot to do their primary job of killing stuff. 4 your asking for trouble if your giving directors roles to everyone, ever heard of GHSC? meta gamers/spies/griefers abound and are constantly making attempts at destroying corp moral/griefing. 5 NBSI alliances in general are Not good cannidates for your intrests, most of them will percieve you as niaeve and weak and will take your stuff for themselves if they can. Seerindarkness : An Tir : Ceo
SeerinDarkness -
Your explanation is helpful. But let me correct a couple of misperceptions.
First - all of the toons in my corps belong to me. And I am completely trustworthy. The reason that I mentioned the "all directors" was to emphasize that I had no experience working inside someone else's corporation - and did not know how to manage non-me users within my own corporation.
I certainly did not appreciate the over-arching politics of 0.0. BUT - my stuff was stolen by the *leader* of the alliance that I joined. I simply did not consider that someone in a position of responsibility like that could be a crook. My mistake. Tuition paid.
But I have paid retail for the opportunity to explain the pitfalls to others. That's what I am doing now.
I think that I do understand the need for numbers of fighters (see my post #16 in this thread). I told everyone up front that I was willing to answer a CTA at any time. In fact I said that I would be willing to burn a hundred Rifters learning how to fight with them - that I would burn a hundred Hurricanes if that was what it took. I was (and am) fully willing to do my part in any group with which I associate.
I made it clear that my primary benefit - at least from the beginning would be to tap into the Dominion mechanics to "improve" the space I worked in. I will get better at fighting - but I have barely begun to learn.
The "autonomy" question did come up with a lot of folks that I talked to. I addressed that issue in post #10 of this thread. All that I meant by it was that I needed my own hangars to work out of - too much stuff to manage otherwise - and that I really wanted to put up a POS (or two) in the new space. I thought I made it clear to everyone that I would answer a CTA to the best of my ability every time the call went out. I think that most of the people that I talked to directly understood that, but I was not as successful at communicating my intentions in this thread.
Your remark about NBSI alliances appears to by right on the mark. ATLAS was totally unmoved by the theft that one of their pets perpetrated on me. No in-game Christmas cards for (or from) them.
As I said, I got scammed. I missed or ignored warning signs that others like RD picked up on, and I have paid for it.
The common expression is that "you get what you pay for." I don't think that is true. I think that the more nearly correct statement is: You pay for what you get.
I am working to that end, and I hope that I can get a few folks to work with me.
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RD Hooker
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Posted - 2009.11.29 05:22:00 -
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In all honesty, Atlas has left a sour taste in my mouth with the way they tried to **** us around. We're still considering our options, but at this point it's looking like stay highsec and expand into wormholes or merge, and we're leaning towards the first.
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Charo Chattan
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Posted - 2009.11.29 06:44:00 -
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If all that is needed is an alliance for you to join, I can provide that. I'm in about the same situation as Speakerforthedad and can relate to his situation, even though my reasons for only having of corp of my and my gf characters are different. (Iraq tour that's finished in Dec)
I've mostly set my main and alts up for large scale support, while I've lived the 0.0 life and been a Revelation pilot for POS bashing inanother life, it wasn't exactly my cup of tea. I'd much rather give out leadership bonus's or snipe targets with an Apoc. I plan on starting major recruitment efforts for both the corp and alliance in Jan once I'm home with a good internet connection again (ah, bliss), but hey I can listen to any and all offers and make a (gasp) plan. Being military for so long I def do understand long range logistics and the benefit of numbers. While I have no love for the Gooons they did show how overwhelming numbers can conquer even the biggest baddest fleets, simply because you can take large amounts of recoverable losses while the enenmy lose more expensive ships, materials, and most importantly morale. It suscks seeing a BS killmail where you've been killed by a lot of Ibis. If any small corp is interested just Evemail me or post here. The many can always over come the few.
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Steel Rig
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Posted - 2009.11.29 09:17:00 -
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Hey,
You may want to join Undivided. We're based in the space Dogs of War used to occupy and mostly comprised of corps that Mono ****ed over.
Gimmie a shout :)
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Securitas Protector
Stealthfield Ihatalo Cartel Navy
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Posted - 2009.11.29 09:45:00 -
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Hey speaker...the Navy is still here with our previous offer. Proud to be shaych |
thebarry
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2009.11.29 09:46:00 -
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We recently started a primarily industrial alliance and we want to move some if not most of our operations into null sec after Dominion. We are recruiting anyone interested in doing this. We currently have mission runners, miners, manufacturers, researchers, traders and wormhole explorers in the alliance so far, and some member benefits like a research pos and discounted freighters. Join in-game channel "SRS." for more info.
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