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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.11.17 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 17/11/2009 21:44:50 Published by the Office of Lum. General Julianus Soter
<Delivered formally to the Senate, Office of the President, Gallente Supreme Court, and distributed through all Gallente regions and territories.>
In a breathtaking action today, the Senate has voted to nullify the rights of billions of citizens in the occupied territories of Placid, Verge Vendor, and Essence.
The legislation as passed is unconstitutional. In signing the law, the President would also be making an unconstitutional act.
Government by Consent dictates that a free people must always be enabled to voice their opinions on the operation of government, including being able to affect the selection of the executives leading the nation.
In the absence of government by consent, there remains only Government by Coercion, which is known by another name, tyranny.
In the face of a tyrannical government, the people are entitled to rise up and defend themselves from acts of coercion and violence that might be visited upon them.
A Presidential Election without the participation of billions of fully eligible Gallente voters endangers the very validity of our Union and the nation as a whole.
The very justification for the governance of our nation by the present Senate and Administration is in jeopardy.
As of this moment, I have contacted all remaining local planetary authorities in the affected regions, their defense forces, and remaining Navy commands deployed to the zone of conflict. I will remain in contact until this constitutional crisis is resolved.
I call upon the Supreme Court to immediately strike down this legislation as unconstitutional as written. A pending legal complaint may be found for the Villore district courts under ID #40391840.
As a Luminaire General, I have a message for the FDU. I ask for your continued efforts to push back the Caldari threat in the Gallente Frontier. I myself will be doing what I can as CEO of the private military corporation and FDU participant, Moira.
I call upon all presidential candidates to decry this Act of Nullification immediately.
Ladies and gentlemen, we stand upon the edge of a precipice. It is now up to the powers that be to determine if we are the jump off the cliff, or to return to the realm of sanity.
Our Federation needs not abandon its principles to survive.
Signed, Julianus Soter
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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.11.17 22:29:00 -
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I have written often and at length concerning the failure of the Federation's political entities to serve the people of the Intaki frontier. Today's vote is not surprising, it was the inevitable outcome of a centuries-old system of neglect.
If this legislation is signed into law, then the people of Intaki and her sister systems in the Intaki Sovereignty will have the final unadulterated proof that their membership in the Federation is held in contempt by the ruling elite. I can think of no greater evidence in the case for secession.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.11.17 22:36:00 -
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Rights protected under the Constitution, over those same centuries, Saxon, allowed your people to vote as the wish.
Now in the absence of those rights, you may be right. But only now.
Additionally, I somehow doubt your people will have appreciated the policies you've undertaken that have led to this perilous situation.
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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter you may be right.
At last the veil is lifted and the truth shines through.
And I don't need you to tell me what MY people think of me and the policies of my organization.
The ILF has always and will always act in accordance with what we believe will bring the most benefit to the Intaki people.
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DeadRow
Caldari Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:01:00 -
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Without trying to sound like I care..
..But surely denying the people of occupied worlds a vote is a smart move? If they had a vote the State could easily affect the decisions of these people and the Federation could have someone that the State wants in charge.
Norrin Ellis > What?! Boobs aren't inappropriate! They feed children! For God's sake, think of the children!
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:05:00 -
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Ironic, that to preserve the honesty of votes the right to vote has to be taken from some. Not to mention that in a way the State wins here. Ah paranoia and the things it does...
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:09:00 -
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Saxon Hawke, please read a little history about government by consent before crowing about some kind of rhetorical victory.
As to the question of "tainted ballots", well, it completely ignores the fact that numerous planets are still under Federal control. As the Provists themselves have frequently pointed out, the populations aren't under direct Caldari domination. Yet.
This is why I have been in contact with planetary authorities and Generals positioned on duty at numerous Marine bases on those worlds regarding this crisis due to what is essentially the nullification of the citizenship of these nationals.
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Yuron
Gallente Core Ascension
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow Without trying to sound like I care..
..But surely denying the people of occupied worlds a vote is a smart move? If they had a vote the State could easily affect the decisions of these people and the Federation could have someone that the State wants in charge.
I tend to agree. This is an unpopular move, but a necessary one. Those systems, have been lost to the Federations Enemy, they're compromised. á - Signed,
Ixokuenrhaous Yuron'Mlasi, Seventh Incarnation Intaki Reborn |
Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Yuron
Originally by: DeadRow Without trying to sound like I care..
..But surely denying the people of occupied worlds a vote is a smart move? If they had a vote the State could easily affect the decisions of these people and the Federation could have someone that the State wants in charge.
I tend to agree. This is an unpopular move, but a necessary one. Those systems, have been lost to the Federations Enemy, they're compromised.
Agreed. The Federation does not do this because they feel the worlds are unimportant, but because they simply cannot guarantee the votes will not be affected. However, this is nothing more than a sign that the worlds under State occupation can no longer rely upon the Federals for protection. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Merdaneth on 17/11/2009 23:38:17
Originally by: Julianus Soter Government by Consent dictates that a free people must always be enabled to voice their opinions on the operation of government, including being able to affect the selection of the executives leading the nation.
Perhaps the issue is that the government thinks that a part of the people are not free anymore?
Originally by: Julianus Soter Ladies and gentlemen, we stand upon the edge of a precipice. It is now up to the powers that be to determine if we are the jump off the cliff, or to return to the realm of sanity.
You have been sliding down a cliff for a long time. You were merely blind to the cliff before.
Originally by: Julianus Soter Our Federation needs not abandon its principles to survive.
Is the Federation primarily a collection of principles or of people and property? If it is the first, has 'Our Federation' not died after this legislature?
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Yuron
Gallente Core Ascension
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter Government by Consent dictates that a free people must always be enabled to voice their opinions on the operation of government, including being able to affect the selection of the executives leading the nation.
In the absence of government by consent, there remains only Government by Coercion, which is known by another name, tyranny.
In the face of a tyrannical government, the people are entitled to rise up and defend themselves from acts of coercion and violence that might be visited upon them.
Heh. Sorry, but I felt this was just a bit much.
In my mind denying occupied planets a vote in a Presidential Election is hardly the malicious actions of a tyrannical regime as you put it. Rather, one in a defensive position, trying to cover is flanks. I feel you're painting this as a lot worse than it actually is.
Don't worry yourself so much, we're not at the end of the road for democracy yet. That'll be the day ALL of us lose our votes. á - Signed,
Ixokuenrhaous Yuron'Mlasi, Seventh Incarnation Intaki Reborn |
Konoch
Caldari Azriel's Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:58:00 -
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Finally the fools that run this government fall to their own stupidity. May Anarchy Reign in the Gallente held Regions. Perhaps by this time next year there will be no such state.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 18/11/2009 00:04:19
Denying the rights of some means it's possible to deny the rights of all.
To defend the former, one must also be prepared stand by the validity of doing the later.
Additionally, Merdaneth, no, I have not been blind. I have fought for Gallente values and principles since I've become a capsuleer. And I shall not cease in my efforts.
The Federation is a great Vision. It sees society as a place where individuals, through their own works and success, can improve their standing and achieve for themselves, their neightbors, and their children, prosperity, regardless of their birth. It is a great continuous adventure to advance the human condition through innovation, discovery, and cooperation.
These things all require a sound constitution. They require government by consent. They require a lawful government, mindful of its responsibilities to its people.
This present government has proven itself unlawful. And unless it rapidly reverses its course, I and others will take decisive action.
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Vieve Tisserand
Gallente Meliae Consortium
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Posted - 2009.11.18 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Vieve Tisserand on 18/11/2009 00:46:53 My right to vote in Federation elections was removed in response to my own actions. The people of occupied Essence, Placid and Verge Vendor have done nothing to warrant being treated in the same manner.
Technical difficulties' being used to justify this mass disenfranchisement is at best implausible. The Federation as a whole is larger than these systems put together. It borders the State, the Republic, the Empire, comes rather close to bordering the Khanid Kingdom and has long permitted all of its citizens a direct vote, despite their location and the occasional ... labyrinthine ... nature of their local political systems.
Unfortunately, it is rather easy even for a distanced observer to assume that something else is at work here.
Will Federate taxes no longer be collected in the same systems? I suspect not. If anything, more care will be taken to ensure that each Federation citizen pays his or her share, particularly if they are employed by a Caldari Corporation.
Will at least some of the disenfranchised citizens within these systems decide that they should no longer remit taxes to a government that has decided they should no longer have a voice? Perhaps.
How would the Federation government respond to a widespread tax revolt? Would a response involve planetside police actions? Could it involve the nationalization -- with the same requirements of service that are expected of Federation Navy enlistees -- of those same police forces, if those forces supported the tax revolt?
Would the Federation government instead ... or also ... begin to withdraw services from the systems in revolt? Would it shut down government offices? Declare school furloughs? Bank holidays? Shutter government-run clinics and hospitals? Move the Federation Navy out of those systems?
Again, perhaps. For the sake of the denizens of the occupied systems, one can only hope that statements like the ones above are only mad supposition. I would rather not be anticipating that some within the Federation government are in the process of arranging some grand masquerade to facilitate an eventual scorched earth withdrawal.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.11.18 01:45:00 -
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Never hurts to ask the question.
The Federation could ask the State and its megacorporations if they would allow/enable voting to take place in occupied territory.
The Federation could ask if any such voting could be overseen by a satisfactorily neutral party such as the Sisters of Eve or spirits forbid CONCORD.
But no, the Federation's metropolitan leaders, secure in their own positions have chosen to believe their own propaganda and assume the worst.
As for the question, LDIS supports the right of corporate employees with Federal citizenship to exercise their civic duty, regardless of their corporation.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.11.18 03:12:00 -
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This is unacceptable. I still do not understand why it is not safe for all these citizens to exert their constitutional rights!
I hope Mr. Roden and his new friend Blaque will allow, somehow, the capsuleer community, specially the FDU members, to enable all these citizens to vote, by perhaps allowing us to deliver the voting ballots to Villore for popper counting.
If they are not allowed a voice on the decision making, they are effectively being excluded from the federation.
The old saying goes: "no taxation without due representation."
We may have a rebellion stirring.
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.18 03:30:00 -
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Maybe it's about damn time the Federation gave up on Democracy. They seem to be jettisoning inconvenient bits of it anyway, why not go the distance and adopt a system that's slightly more practical for an interstellar culture?
The Federation has trillions of citizens. What the hell kind of good is one individual's vote on that sort of scale? Drop the whole system and move over to something less cumbersome I say. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Ang Shinra
Intaki Pure
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Posted - 2009.11.18 03:52:00 -
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First they abandon the Intaki to the Outlaws. Then they abandon the Intaki to the Caldari. Now they they strip the right to vote from our world because they say we are no longer secure. Next they will take the voting rights of all ethnic Intaki because they sympathize with their disenfranchised brothers. Where will it stop!?!
People of Intaki, men and woman of Placid, stand tall! The Federation is broken and no longer values us. The time to claim freedom is now! Seize your freedom and let no man take it from you. Demand Freedom Now!
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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2009.11.18 06:13:00 -
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Shocking news no doubt. News that will understandably draw harsh criticism and emotional debate particularly among those affected in the territories currently occupied by the Caldari State under the CONCORD Militia Act (Although I am unaware of any such state existing in the Solitude region as initially seems to be reported, not covered by the Militia Act as it is).
However, rather than engaging in outraged bluster I believe time should be taken in at least understanding the rationale behind the decision. Given the situation in the systems affected by the bill, it is a reasonable concern of the Senate that the votes in question are not guaranteed to have not been cast under duress, coercion or indeed subject to fraud. If the votes cast by the citizens of the systems affected are not assured to have been cast in a free and transparent manner then how indeed could they be considered valid?
Does the pending null vote in the coming elections of those citizens in the occupied territories sting? Of course it does. However, the Senate and its Senators as duly elected representatives of the Federation have come to a decision on the matter and a difficult one it was I am sure. As for whether the decision will remain valid according to the constitution I believe that is an issue to be decided by the Supreme Court if at all. |
Sumerio Rayej
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.11.18 06:27:00 -
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I support the effort to declare this law unconstitutional. It can't be allowed to stand, or the coming presidential election must be declared invalid. While it would certainly give the people of Intaki a pretext to summarily declare independence, that is not the path that the ILF have supported. This is exactly the sort of legislation that could foment a rebellion and result in deaths of many millions, most of whom will probably be my people, fighting on both sides. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter The Federation is a great Vision. It sees society as a place where individuals, through their own works and success, can improve their standing and achieve for themselves, their neightbors, and their children, prosperity, regardless of their birth. It is a great continuous adventure to advance the human condition through innovation, discovery, and cooperation.
These things all require a sound constitution. They require government by consent. They require a lawful government, mindful of its responsibilities to its people.
Do you have any proof at all for this claim? For I believe there are plenty place of individuals that are improving themselves, their neighbours etc. I do not believe there is any constitution required to 'advance the human condition'. The proof for not needing such is all around you. You, as a capsuleer, are an example of not needing a constitution for those advances. To say a constitution is *required* for such things is folly. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter
This present government has proven itself unlawful. And unless it rapidly reverses its course, I and others will take decisive action.
It could just change the law. Then it would be lawful again.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Vieve Tisserand
Gallente Meliae Consortium
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Posted - 2009.11.18 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zagamesh Given the situation in the systems affected by the bill, it is a reasonable concern of the Senate that the votes in question are not guaranteed to have not been cast under duress, coercion or indeed subject to fraud. If the votes cast by the citizens of the systems affected are not assured to have been cast in a free and transparent manner then how indeed could they be considered valid?
A reasonable concern, yes. As reasonable as being concerned that Saan Go and Jing Ko votes cast in Lirsautton are done so according to the desires of the Sang Do. As reasonable as being concerned that the votes cast in mining colonies in remote Verge Vendor are unduly influenced by local Serpentis. As reasonable as being concerned that votes cast by Federation citizens working for Caldari corporations in other Federation systems are being coerced by their employers.
Setting aside speculation that this is a means to achieve complete surrender without actually declaring it, it seems too easy to interpret the Federation government's declaration as follows:
"We anticipate not liking the election results." "We would need to claim vote tampering in order to bring the results into question." "We would then need to investigate each and every vote. The legal actions could prevent the declaration of a winner in the Presidental election for months, if not longer." "What happens if the Supreme Court rules that some or all of the challenged votes are valid?" "We do not want to be in this situation."
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
It could just change the law. Then it would be lawful again.
Um, yes. That is precisely why I am asking them to change the law.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.18 14:39:00 -
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This latest act of stupidity is yet another confirmation of how much of a weakened and hollow shell of its former self the Federation has become.
The FDU might be useless and incompetent, but the Senate have proven by shutting out the very people they were elected to protect and failed to do so, that the Federation is drawing even closer to collapse.
Foiritan has sealed his place in the history books as a spineless and gutless leader, and the Federation needs to make the choice to elect someone with the capability to lead competently before it's too late.
Abandoning a huge part of the Federal people is not the answer. By doing so, they have only further complicated the political views of billions of Federal citizens.
For what good it has done, the Senate may as well have relinquished sovereign control of the the territory affected to the Caldari completely.
It's high time the Federation had someone in charge who's not a blithering idiot and an incompetent and indecisive fool.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 14:54:00 -
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Which is my view exactly, Verone. This election is essential, however this act has compromised the validity of the electoral process.
The Act of Nullification must not be allowed to be signed into law, or else we'll have an illegitimate government and a political catastrophe on our hands.
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.11.18 17:20:00 -
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I agree with Soter, this law should not be signed.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.11.18 18:01:00 -
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Perhaps the President can redeem himself as a statesman if he refuses to sign the bill.
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Mort Eveson
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.11.18 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
I have to say I agree with pilot Nederland, the senate does not even appeared to have spend time considering the other options. The State may have allowed voting to continue under Federation police/military oversight, although I'm sure their would have been conditions to it. My suggestion would have been to speak to the Sisters or to InterBus, both of which a neural organisations that could have been able transfer the votes and possibly oversee voting itself. On many of the planets in occupied space local police and military are still in effect, so could have protected the neutrality of voting.
The view from the outside just seems to be that the senate has passed this law to make their own life easier and more secure, without thinking of the rights of the citizens or the integrity of the Federation. ""
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Chiram Ross
Gallente Eagles of Freedom
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Posted - 2009.11.19 01:34:00 -
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This is...unsettling. I find it disappointing that the Federation prefers compromising its principles over making some effort to secure the rights of its citizens in occupied territory.
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