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Saint Germain
The Orthography Commandos
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Posted - 2009.11.19 04:25:00 -
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Does anyone have any ideas for some kind of shell corporation, in light of the proposed 11% tax for NPC corps.
If a corp does nothing, provides nothing (except a chat channel), and costs nothing (0% tax) then will people join?
If they do, what is the critical number of members that would make it worthwhile to declare war on them? If there were several corps like this then corp hopping could be freely allowed (nobody needs to have roles anyway), so would the members be immune to war declarations anyway?
Any thoughts?
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Lady Aja
Caldari Cobalt Dragon Exploration Company
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Posted - 2009.11.19 10:56:00 -
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wrong section.
and corp hoping to avoid war decs WUILL get you screwed over oneday! if you was not reading this right now? what would you be doing instead of reading my sig?
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Saint Germain
The Orthography Commandos
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Posted - 2009.11.19 11:15:00 -
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So what's the right section? And how does leaving a corp that's at war for one that isn't get you in trouble? Text Editing Service |
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.11.20 10:07:00 -
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Moved from "CAOD" to "General Discussion".
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Arvald
Caldari The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2009.11.20 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Germain So what's the right section? And how does leaving a corp that's at war for one that isn't get you in trouble?
do it once is fine, do it multiple times in a row and you will get your ass hit with the banhammer
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Arrunca
Minmatar Multinational Warfare Mobility Command United Outworlders
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Posted - 2009.11.20 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Germain So what's the right section? And how does leaving a corp that's at war for one that isn't get you in trouble?
For one most corps with just a small amount of intelligence would think twice about recruiting someone who has been changing corp every few days for a looong time. As director in my corp I would be reluctant to recruit you and I would have people keep an eye out on you, if you even managed to get in.
Not to mention: Forget anything about hangar acces
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Saint Germain
The Orthography Commandos
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Posted - 2009.11.20 11:11:00 -
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For people who have stayed in NPC corps their entire EVE lives, what's the downside here? They probably don't want to be in 'real' player corps anyway. I'm just wondering if this NPC corp tax will make any real difference.
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Lady Aja
Caldari Cobalt Dragon Exploration Company
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Posted - 2009.11.20 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Germain For people who have stayed in NPC corps their entire EVE lives, what's the downside here? They probably don't want to be in 'real' player corps anyway. I'm just wondering if this NPC corp tax will make any real difference.
People who hide in npc corps may as well find another game they do it for protection. TBH 11% tax is far to cheap for that. it should be 25% to be war dec free...
if you want 0% tax then ccp should allow npc corps to be war decable. if you was not reading this right now? what would you be doing instead of reading my sig?
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2009.11.21 14:53:00 -
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Wait... lets get this straight...
So if mission runners or lone wolfs make their own corps to keep together and chat.... it is then quite fair for them to be war decced for the minimum fee by a random corp? We all they only intend to grief or at least hope someone doesn't notice and make them emoragequit from losing their faction fitted ships.
However the only viable way of avoiding 7 days of pure boredom of station humping would be to jump corps... However that is deemed against the game rules? However is clearly possible. So in Eve we can gank people, smack talk and all other forms of disruption to game play which is questionable. However to avoid 7 days of non playing is deemed illegal within game mechanics? However something that is easily doable... Is illegal... hmm either CCP should change this mechanic or I can see many people getting hit with the banhammer if dominion pushes people this way.
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Oriens Pars
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Posted - 2009.11.21 15:04:00 -
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Switching corps to avoid wardecs is NOT bannable, and most likely will not ever be bannable. What IS bannable is switching to a corp repeatedly to "get the jump" on an unsuspecting wartarget.
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Oriens Pars
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Posted - 2009.11.21 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja People who hide in npc corps may as well find another game they do it for protection.
I have to disagree with you on this, and I think it's kind of sad that you and a lot of other people generalize all NPC dwellers into this category.
I think most will tell you that either -
1. they don't have the time to play that they believe most player corps demand of their members.
2. they don't want to be bothered with the chest beating ridiculous politics that take place in most player corp.
3. they're afraid of getting ripped off by other members that get mad at leadership, or by leadership that gets mad at the corp.
I think most will say protection is not the top of their list.
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.21 16:10:00 -
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If you don't care about playing with others and think the tax is BS, found your own corp. Roll an alt of the right race, train Corp Management 1(takes maybe 5 minutes if you burn a remap), found a corp somewhere conveniently close for you, join it. Done. Then all you have to do is not talk a bunch of smack at people and keep to yourself, and there will be little to no reason for anyone to toss a wardec. If by some amazing coincidence you do get a wardec, drop corp, and if possible roll a new alt and new corp to join. Otherwise recycle the old corp/alt and found a new one.
Also a posting alt is incredibly handy for giving the finger to all the piwates who'd love to honk their tonker all over a KM of your pimp faction BS mission runner.
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.21 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Oriens Pars
Originally by: Lady Aja People who hide in npc corps may as well find another game they do it for protection.
I have to disagree with you on this, and I think it's kind of sad that you and a lot of other people generalize all NPC dwellers into this category.
I think most will tell you that either -
1. they don't have the time to play that they believe most player corps demand of their members.
2. they don't want to be bothered with the chest beating ridiculous politics that take place in most player corp.
3. they're afraid of getting ripped off by other members that get mad at leadership, or by leadership that gets mad at the corp.
I think most will say protection is not the top of their list.
Noone said everyone or even most of the npc corpers are in npc corp for protection, he said that those who DO stay in npc corps FOR PROTECTION, might as well find another game, There's no "generalizing" in that statement. ------------------------- I'm not shirtless damnit! |
Oriens Pars
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Posted - 2009.11.21 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Oriens Pars on 21/11/2009 20:33:46
Originally by: N'tek alar
Originally by: Oriens Pars
Originally by: Lady Aja People who hide in npc corps may as well find another game they do it for protection.
I have to disagree with you on this, and I think it's kind of sad that you and a lot of other people generalize all NPC dwellers into this category.
I think most will tell you that either -
1. they don't have the time to play that they believe most player corps demand of their members.
2. they don't want to be bothered with the chest beating ridiculous politics that take place in most player corp.
3. they're afraid of getting ripped off by other members that get mad at leadership, or by leadership that gets mad at the corp.
I think most will say protection is not the top of their list.
Noone said everyone or even most of the npc corpers are in npc corp for protection, he said that those who DO stay in npc corps FOR PROTECTION, might as well find another game, There's no "generalizing" in that statement.
Sorry, but YOU are wrong. I think you better read the quote again....and if that's not what HE intended to mean he can come on here and redo his post.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.11.21 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Wet Ferret on 21/11/2009 20:41:13 Better to just make a chat channel, and have everyone join their own one man corps. It takes a few minutes to train the skills, and a couple mil ISK to start and comes with nice corp hangars and corp wallet all to yourself!
Anyone staying in the NPC corps after the patch is A) dumb B) a real newbie C) a really dumb macroer.
edit: or D) forum alt (but even I will be taking over my main's corp with this character eventually)
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.21 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 21/11/2009 22:54:15
A better idea ?
REDUCE NPC bounties and Agent rewards of L4 by 11%... REDUCE NPC bounties and Agent rewards of L3 by 5%...
... At the same time, INCREASE NPC bounties of 0.0 & L5 NPCs by 22%.
And keep the tax ^^
A tax alone will only motivate people to create more 1-Man Corps if there are not a carrot to attract them or make them some risky activities.
With Dominion and maybe, maybe the probability than more players corps will try to go to 0.0, it is better to use the stick AND the carrot. _______ With the NGE, I''m sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn''t listen to the fans when we should have, and it''s not a mistake we''re going to make again.
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cho0li0
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Posted - 2009.11.21 23:45:00 -
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Most of the mission runners are alts of 0.0 and lowsec pilots...
...CCP should do one quick datamining project to check this out...
...and they would see that this just leads into having 10 000 one man corporations...
...better solution would be increasing lowsec/wh/0.0 profits while nerffing with 11% the L4 income in empire
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.11.21 23:51:00 -
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I have personally attempted to create an alliance that was powered by freelancing individuals. While the idea is not bad, it proved to be a difficult sell ultimately.
I still am half considering doing it again some day.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.11.21 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 21/11/2009 22:58:45
A better idea ?
REDUCE NPC bounties and Agent rewards of L4 by 11%... REDUCE NPC bounties and Agent rewards of L3 by 5%...
... At the same time, INCREASE NPC bounties of 0.0 & L5 NPCs by 22%.
And keep the tax if required.
A tax alone will only motivate people to create more 1-Man Corps if there are not a carrot to attract them or make them some risky activities.
With Dominion and maybe, maybe the probability than more players corps will try to go to 0.0, it is better to use the stick AND the carrot.
You see, the thing is.. 0.0 is already vastly more profitable. They already buffed rat spawns all over the place too. Maybe they should do something that will realistically have an impact on the "livability" of 0.0 like remove bubbles from NPC nullsec instead of making insignificant tweaks to the rewards that aren't going to change anyone's mind.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
cho0li0
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Posted - 2009.11.22 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 21/11/2009 22:58:45
A better idea ?
REDUCE NPC bounties and Agent rewards of L4 by 11%... REDUCE NPC bounties and Agent rewards of L3 by 5%...
... At the same time, INCREASE NPC bounties of 0.0 & L5 NPCs by 22%.
And keep the tax if required.
A tax alone will only motivate people to create more 1-Man Corps if there are not a carrot to attract them or make them some risky activities.
With Dominion and maybe, maybe the probability than more players corps will try to go to 0.0, it is better to use the stick AND the carrot.
You see, the thing is.. 0.0 is already vastly more profitable. They already buffed rat spawns all over the place too. Maybe they should do something that will realistically have an impact on the "livability" of 0.0 like remove bubbles from NPC nullsec instead of making insignificant tweaks to the rewards that aren't going to change anyone's mind.
Problem is that the ppl who are complaining about this are the ppl who really aren't playing with other ppl in MMORPG game. I think it would be best for them to play scripted single player game in window mode and have the MSN/IRC window next to it if they are only looking for someone to chat with from MMORPG games..
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.22 00:39:00 -
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Tyranus vonCarstein
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.22 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Feel free to apply for Citation Registration Commission [MEDAL] which does nothing except give you a medal for completing epic mission arcs for the low price of 5 mil each.
Didn't SWG do this?
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.22 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret You see, the thing is.. 0.0 is already vastly more profitable. They already buffed rat spawns all over the place too. Maybe they should do something that will realistically have an impact on the "livability" of 0.0 like remove bubbles from NPC nullsec instead of making insignificant tweaks to the rewards that aren't going to change anyone's mind.
Well, according to this topic, doing L4 missions can give more than 45M per hour, with some security.
Ratting don't give this income same if you "cultivate" correctly all the belts for hours, and Plexes can give income only if you are lucky. 6 months of plexes (not all the time of course) before I had enough luck to find 3 faction modules at 1 B each, only at the end, and as NPCs in Plexes has lower bounties than belts...
I still do L4 missions today. _______ With the NGE, I''m sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn''t listen to the fans when we should have, and it''s not a mistake we''re going to make again.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.11.22 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Marshal Well, according to this topic, doing L4 missions can give more than 45M per hour, with some security.
Ratting don't give this income even if you "cultivate" correctly all the belts for hours, and Plexes can give income only if you are lucky. 6 months of plexes (not all the time of course) before I had enough luck to find 3 faction modules at 1 B each, only at the end, and as NPCs in Plexes has lower bounties than belts...
I still do L4 missions today.
I wasn't suggesting ratting is better income than high end mission running (but it certainly isn't bad, and I have no doubt that the better systems are perfectly capable of getting those numbers when properly chained). But in a straight up comparison between high-sec and 0.0, 0.0 missions sure pay better Ratting is certainly better. Mining is better (or used to be, back when I did it.. I got ateroidphobia now).
Bottom line is that it's not the lack of ISK that's keeping people out of nullsec. It would take something drastic to cause a significant population shift from empire.
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Saint Germain
The Orthography Commandos
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Posted - 2009.11.24 03:36:00 -
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I suppose if fifty mission runners form a corp, they are each fifty times more likely to get a war-dec than if they had each formed their own one-man corp. There's a lack of safety in numbers.
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Daemonspirit
An Android Lust
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Posted - 2009.11.24 04:42:00 -
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I can't be arsed to look for the Dev post (Sr. GM?) that stated "corp hopping, for whatever reason, is not an exploit." "As long as the war-dec'd Corp doesn't fold, its not an exploit".
Its out there if you look.
So, for those NPC corp players that do not have any interest in being in a regular player corp, all they have to do is create multiple corps with whatever empty slots they have on their account(s), and if a wardec ever comes in, jump to another of their shell corps. AS LONG AS THE SHELL CORP does not fold, its fine.
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Internet Knight
Amok.
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Posted - 2009.11.24 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Saint Germain So what's the right section? And how does leaving a corp that's at war for one that isn't get you in trouble?
do it once is fine, do it multiple times in a row and you will get your ass hit with the banhammer
AFAIK that's just trolling. I've never heard of anyone ever getting banhammerred simply for corphopping. ---
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Yarinor
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.24 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Internet Knight
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Saint Germain So what's the right section? And how does leaving a corp that's at war for one that isn't get you in trouble?
do it once is fine, do it multiple times in a row and you will get your ass hit with the banhammer
AFAIK that's just trolling. I've never heard of anyone ever getting banhammerred simply for corphopping.
As far as I know you're allowed to swap corps to avoid decs as much as you'd like, as long as you don't drop to npc corps.
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