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Loco Eve
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:14:00 -
[871]
Originally by: Eniy Oh Navigator: thanks for at least showing you've deleted part of my post.
Though I'd like to state here that the first part of my post contained my expressed disgust about the fact posts are being deleted at all.
LOL, freedoom of speach doesn't not apply to ccp forom threads.
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Doc Imp
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:15:00 -
[872]
Well I'm happy with the changes, now my bellicose will have a place in fleet warfare! With my uber painting bonus I can help my cap buddies do full damage to anything bigger than a moon that isn't moving. Target painters do work on most capitals, right?
Let me use my great understanding of humans to help you understand why there may be some player anger. You disregarded everything that was worked on and talked about. You gave absolutely no real information why you did this. You made capricious and arbitrary statements calling your knowledge on the topic you claim to know about into serious doubt. You did this repeatedly in fact. (we'll just let moms dock, use target painters you scrubs) You unleashed the moderators to bury the dissent and natural reaction of your players who thought they had an understanding with you about the direction this was going. You stopped talking, and have offered nothing more on the topic.
I don't fly caps nor do I ever plan to however anyone watching a group get bent over like this and saying "HAHA!" is just fooling themselves. At some point if you tolerate this kind of abuse they will come around to look at your pet issue and apply the same level of ineptitude. I mean granted it is cccp, you could be dead before they get to your particular issue but just let me have my point here ok?
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Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:15:00 -
[873]
What a bull**** blog. The author actually do sound abit like Funcom's Geir.
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Joe Goon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:18:00 -
[874]
Claiming page 26 sniper.
Shouldn't take more than half an hour before this post is accurate.
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses ____/ ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ |
Lana's Alt
Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:22:00 -
[875]
OK.. So what did we test again??
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Astal Atlar
Caldari Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:24:00 -
[876]
So actually now ccp heard,the players words,and infact choose the way of less opposal denying to do anything leaving the ms useless as ****. So no ms and titans on grid in caps battles we will hit each other with dreads and cariers.
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Alex PHA
Gallente The Circle Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:24:00 -
[877]
Guys sign the petition to remove Nozh
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1217355
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Battle Tested
Shiva
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:25:00 -
[878]
Originally by: Battle Tested On a serious note....How can you, after admitting the mothership was broken in today's capital warfare, go back to it's original stats? How can you sit back and let people go into mass production after the well accepted and playerbase approved CCP Abathur changes to only change them to crap and then back to worse crap? Then, upon our dissaproval tell us we can't express our feelings of how you deceived us and how you are ruining the game that we have invested so much time and money into. This is bull****, straight up bull****. Just like SGE...EVE will be a thing of the past, and there is no fixing it once you push away your customers.
I will continually spam this until there is a legitimate response from someon in CCP who has some kind of idea of WTF is going on!! |
Overlord Anubis
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:32:00 -
[879]
Edited by: Overlord Anubis on 20/11/2009 12:34:32 CCP you guys should be in the Obama administration with how youÆre planning sweeping changes to the economy to make people move to other income faucets, by in essence nerfing their current one(s). Keep in mind historically when you try to do changes like this it never works out like you expected.
Here is one example:
"noone will ever need more than 640k" or CCP " we did not think more than a few titans would ever be built"
DO NOT MAKE massive, broad changes to multiple income generating paths all at once. Dropping the prices on Motherships along with the market dynamics and resulting secondary effects of your changes could lead to an economic depression in EVE.
I seriously believe you do not want to keep 0.0 as an extremely profitable lure to empire corps. YouÆre replacing passive income sources in 0.0 with extremely effort intensive income sources. This is going to backfire. You need to make 0.0 extremely profitable not only with ratting, and other kill related skills, but industry skills. Massive ark? I see nerfed high-end zyd / mega prices.
Want to open 0.0 to empire, your new sov system helps but you keep making changes to income streams. With every blog you seem to shift the 0.0 income to effort income. No one, Yeah that will lure people in, - the :effort: vs. reward income generation with all of the changes is close to making 0.0 income more of a job than a game.
I humbly tell you if you do not wish to totally ****ing up the fish bowl that is eve, you need to do a few changes at a time over a month or two for example. Otherwise I guarantee you do not know the ramifications nor do I bargain most people it will have. Stop taking lessons from president Obama and his falling polices. meddling in every sector of the free market at once is a screw you to people that have been specializing their characters for years to do what they are doing now in addition to months if not years developing their business. In one patch the mineral market, moon market, ice market, capital ship market, etc. are going too effected.
If you are trying to ruin your game by doing things to manipulate market and professions then you are doing a pro job.
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Battle Tested
Shiva
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:39:00 -
[880]
Moderation discussion removed. StevieSG.
On a serious note....How can you, after admitting the mothership was broken in today's capital warfare, go back to it's original stats? How can you sit back and let people go into mass production after the well accepted and playerbase approved CCP Abathur changes to only change them to crap and then back to worse crap? Then, upon our dissaproval tell us we can't express our feelings of how you deceived us and how you are ruining the game that we have invested so much time and money into. This is bull****, straight up bull****. Just like SGE...EVE will be a thing of the past, and there is no fixing it once you push away your customers. |
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Taeraki
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:39:00 -
[881]
Edited by: Taeraki on 20/11/2009 12:39:22 Regardless of whether the changes are good, bad or mediocre - why are this being announced two weeks before launch, after a heap of testing?
That's rubbish community management at the very least and doesn't inspire those of us new to the game to make anything beyond short term targets.
As for deleting posts - again, great way to support your player base. |
5econdary Target
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:39:00 -
[882]
Once I saw CCP Nozh`s main with his Golem TPing Chribbas`s Veldnaught in Amarr , true story.
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McEivalley
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:44:00 -
[883]
Originally by: THEGREAT LOBO
Originally by: MirrorGod 1. Nozh should be moved away from capital portfolio 2. Nozh doesn't seem to know how target painters work 3. Nozh doesn't know how cap fights work 4. abathur's supercapitals, the ones the players tested and approved should be the ones implemented
Would like to add to the above 5.Nozh doesn't seem to know how many of the mechanics in eve works. 6.Nozh should leave the nag alone and stop giving minnie pilots more weapons systems to train for.
For min capitals, You need to train: Capital armour mods, Capital shield mods, Capital proj, citadel torpedoes and now the capital cruise missle weapons.. And what do we get for all this training? The worst damage dreadnuaght.
Look, this is not entirely true. If you would've read Nozh's blog instead of just copycatting everyone around, you would notice there, in those nice graphs, is this area of falloff where you comparatively speaking do more damage.
So before you siege, just MWD(?) there and laugh at all the other caps that stay stuck so close to their targets(??) and get hellfire for their worth(?!?)... oh wait!
Insert clever remark where? |
Mystic Morpher
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:50:00 -
[884]
This is a good patch, thank you CCP Nozh.
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Xrat
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:50:00 -
[885]
ccp would you be so nice and give us at least the ability to dock, so we can let our moms rot in station instead of letting our chars rot in our moms, thanks. |
Capot
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:52:00 -
[886]
Quote: For min capitals, You need to train: Capital armour mods, Capital shield mods, Capital proj, citadel torpedoes and now the capital cruise missle weapons.. And what do we get for all this training? The worst damage dreadnuaght.
this
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T'Karr
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:55:00 -
[887]
CCP... REPLACE NOZH WITH ME, I HAVE SENT MY APPLICATION TO YOU. I WILL FIX THIS AND GAIN THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY BY BEFRIENDING CCP ABATHUR AND REINSTATING HIS PREVIOUS EXCELLENT WORK!!!
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Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:57:00 -
[888]
"Due to the changes made to XL Turrets, Citadel Missiles/Torpedoes and projectile turrets, the Naglfar became an absolute monster, not in a good way. The weapon bonuses on the Naglfar had to be adjusted to keep the balance intact. "
So, why not tune down XL missiles and balance Phoenix/birdie-Titan with bonuses, and leave the Tempest-Naglfar intact with the double-bonus on guns (or even tune Nagl down to +5%/+5% or something...)?
Yes, sorry, I've prolly missed the explanation given in some of the 100-page threads in Test Issues forums. -- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:02:00 -
[889]
*hugs Nozh and guides the sobbing wreck out of the bathroom corner he is hiding in*
Thank god I fly Amarr only.
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Overlord Anubis
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:06:00 -
[890]
These new changes to eve smell of socialism. Why not just tax the rich plays and give the income to the new players.
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Overlord Anubis
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:08:00 -
[891]
We were all new players and paid our dues. We worked hard to make isk and move up the isk generating food chain. If you do not have high profit top level opportunities in each profession, what is the lure to stay in eve and spend 18 months striving to reach that goal.
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Battle Tested
Shiva
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:09:00 -
[892]
Originally by: Overlord Anubis These new changes to eve smell of socialism. Why not just tax the rich plays and give the income to the new players.
Don't tempt them....It won't be long and trial accounts will probably be carrier/dread capable at the rate they are going with trying to recruit new subscribers. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:09:00 -
[893]
Hey Nozh:
Go back to WoW
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:09:00 -
[894]
1. Fix missile damage formula, so explosion radius is a non-factor on stationary targets ( Hint; like it works for turrets ).
2. Adjust all explosion radius to be equal to the turret signature radius of their turret counterpart.
3. Adjust missile damage to reflect changes in #1 & #2.
4. Adjust explosion velocity to match the damage reduction formula for XL turrets ( Hint; an explosion radius lower than what a turret can track without problems is wrong ).
5. ???
6. Profit.
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Creed Demastikus
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:10:00 -
[895]
cmonnn why are u bothering yourself ppl.. they never did say "we listen our customers (side not even if they said that.. they meant "we will listen but nothing goin to change.. so u can talk as much as u want :]) / our players most important thing / players decide important things / CSM there to help us connection with player base" it was some other firm.. not CCP.. they are godlike creatures they decide our fate.. what will happen and how.. and u ppl cant see even that? tsk tsk..
what now u need usefull dreads ? /go for uselesss naglfarr.. usefull motherships / supperfailcarriers ? usefull titans ?
what we need : a ****** "carebear friendly" sov system... motherships which dies in single if not second shot by titans.. dreads cant even shoot anything / even worse somedreads need 39058349583 skills and even so cant do a ****. like naglfar..
i'm just wondering whats coming next ? i'm sure those godlike devs can create better ideas for killing eve.. i'm totaly sure of it..
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Mantra Achura
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:10:00 -
[896]
One of your first dev blogs stated correctly, MS are rarely fielded in cap fights due to riskiness loosing one against a bunch of dreads.
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[...] Motherships no more...
Perhaps no ships in EVE symbolize the majesty of the game more than the Nyx, Wyvern, Aeon and Hel. Featured in dozens of player-made movies, official trailers and screenshots, it is a sad testimony that their presence has not been a factor on the capital battlefields of EVE for quite some time. The simple fact is that this class of ship now stays mostly parked on trained alts and is rarely used as they are nothing more than expensive targets for hungry legions of Dread pilots. [...]
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=696
The draft boosting MS EHP was a great step in the right direction. Especially with the intruduced death ray this adjustment is highly appreciated. For a price of 15 bill that's not absurd.
Also granting and an additional boost on damage by the Fighter Bombers concept the MS was greatly brought into a new role of capital fight support. The balancing of this kind of weapon sounds ok to me. Compared to the death ray, Fighter Bombers need some time to reach the target and start shooting. So there is a plenty time to react and start some RR or SB. Also Fighter Bombers are able to be shot by sub caps.
Sadly within the last days things were going crazy. The whoole concept turned upside down: - Decreasing construction costs isn't a good idea. If you want more performance, you have to pay for it. - Docking a MS isn't a good idea. Such kind of ship still needs its typical super cap disadvantages. Otherwise everybody would fly one. Why should I fly Carrier instead?
Fazit: The original super carrier draft wasn't this bad. At least the EHP boost should be implemented, otherwise you would more likely see the MS abandon the field.
Mantra
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Tappits
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:11:00 -
[897]
Originally by: Overlord Anubis We were all new players and paid our dues. We worked hard to make isk and move up the isk generating food chain. If you do not have high profit top level opportunities in each profession, what is the lure to stay in eve and spend 18 months striving to reach that goal.
Don't you mean 18 to 72 months? you do know you can GTC isk and skill for a dread in less than 12 months :)
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Arra Lith
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:16:00 -
[898]
Edited by: Arra Lith on 20/11/2009 13:18:01 Press headline: Some Jove Empire citizens has been succesfully converted to Amarr Faith. You can expect huge love for Amarr technology and Jovian's wraith for all other races techs. First heavy blow to Caldari and Minmatar heretics dealt. Gallente Moros somehow escaped full wraith, only with slightly wound, but that will be fixed soon...
Amarr Victor.
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Ragel Tropxe
DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:17:00 -
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the proposed changes to the Naglfar and capital missiles are nothing short of a disgrace.
The fact that the guy tasked to balance them thinks that a target painter is the answer is staggering beyond belief.
how did we get here?
CCP - lets remove Titan DD CCP - lets make Titans wtf pwn mobiles with lots o'guns CCP - Hmm that makes the new Titans too effective - what to do? CCP - I know lets nerf the Titans AND amend capital guns CCP - Hmm Capital guns seem to need balance CCP - Nerf Naglfar - but they can use target painters on ew-immune structure/ ships!! players - erm wtf?
You do realise that youre in a "screw-up" cycle dont you? You're making changes on the hoof which then cause other problems which you then change - whihc causes more balance issues.
Just STOP - pull ALL the capital changes and sit down with someone who knows what the heck they are doing and spend some time planning stuff. As it stands now this is a trainwreck waiting to happen.
(ps notice Ive not even gone near the Mothership debacle)
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Delc
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 13:18:00 -
[900]
Hey look.... I can see the future! EvE is comming to an End very soon. ******s are now running CCP. [center]
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