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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:22:00 -
[1261]
Originally by: Cedori The amusing part IMO, they are deleting the posts of people who are posting that they are canceling.
No they are deleting at random now. I still have some pages open in another browser window and what got deleted is completely at random, even posts simply agreeing with lord cyrez' citadel torp damage calculations post got deleted. It's pretty funny to see CCP so desperate that they simply try to keep the thread small.
Expecting this post to go away as well.
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Commander Tigre
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:22:00 -
[1262]
Originally by: Kalexander
Originally by: Cedori The amusing part IMO, they are deleting the posts of people who are posting that they are canceling.
Really? We truly have converted the EvE Forums into lokta.org, the circle is now complete.
It is obvious Nozh has no idea how the game operates, nor how cap/supercap battles happen. As such he should not be within 10,000km of any decision regarding caps/supercaps.
He probably doesn't. Lots of people who work on video games don't really play the project they're on. That doesn't mean the entire design team that settles on decisions is as clueless as he is though. One guy isn't given that much authority.
And yea, they probably delete those "i quit" posts because you and I both know those people are not really going to make good on it. They love this game still way to much to not at least see this through for a little while.
They still have till the end of their subscriptions (assuming they are not banned for that bit of remaining time... "We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, you're already dead." |
Orgell Evaan
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:23:00 -
[1263]
So my spending months training for a Nag is wasted; I have to go through the entire Amarr ship tree, and the Lasers tree, to be effective in cap combat? Wonderful. At least I haven't wasted time training for Carriers yet.
Buring your head in the sand and burying feedback helping with the New Pilot Experience, guys?
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Eric Starym
Koshaku Antaeus Combine
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:23:00 -
[1264]
Edited by: Eric Starym on 20/11/2009 20:24:00
Originally by: Cedori
It is obvious Nozh has no idea how the game operates, nor how cap/supercap battles happen. As such he should not be within 10,000km of any decision regarding caps/supercaps.
Isn't that somewhere near Atlanta or Shanghai?
Dust needs help, Nozh is the right guy, assign him there!
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Shredded
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:25:00 -
[1265]
I regret that I have but one post to give for this thread. :(
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Shredded
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:26:00 -
[1266]
Oh wait I've got two lol
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Ker HarSol
Minmatar Zip - I
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:27:00 -
[1267]
Maybe we can have SOME numbers at least? Yes? Please?
Stop posting stupid assumptions which are anyway all wrong and stop posting those **** graphs!
Give numbers! Hard, solid facts. Numbers!
Start with the tracking of guns. Speed of the various missiles. Explosive velocity, radius. DD cooldown. Boni of the ships. And and and.
Give us something real instead of this irreal sort of rabble talk. What is a devblog for if not for giving information?? If I all need to pick it up from the test server my own anyway, I do not need any freaking blog.
Oh, and answer please: Why were Abathur's changes discarded? What was wrong with them? |
FOl2TY8
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:27:00 -
[1268]
Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 20/11/2009 20:28:08 Still playing L4D2.
AND LOVING IT
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Thrud Valkyries
Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:27:00 -
[1269]
Hey you know what..... I can post it again if you like it so much that you delete it.
Its just fact. Why pay for something that doesnt work?
"You are about to cancel your subscription! Are you sure you want to do this?
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 23.11.2009 23:59:47
Why are you cancelling? This will help us to improve our service. Player harassment
If you want to elaborate further on your reason for canceling EVE, we would appreciate it very much. (optional) Thanks to CCP Nozh there is one less ms pilot in the game. Thanks alot, CCP.
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Subscription successfully cancelled
Click here to continue" |
Jack Gilligan
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:27:00 -
[1270]
Originally by: Ravenid I'm thinking they just dont want the page count to hit 40 pages. It probably wakes up the Senior Management.
It's like this thread is Jack Benny (a famous and very funny comedian from the golden age of radio). One of his standing jokes was that he was "turning 39". Every one of his birthdays was his "39th".
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Toman Torax
Rage For Order Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:27:00 -
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Serious and simple question - CCP PLEASE ANSWER THIS:
What was wrong with the changes Abathur proposed, which were tested, seemed fair and balanced, and were generally accepted?
I'm going to keep posting this until it gets an answer. And for the love of God, it's doesn't have to be Nozh that answers it, because he has already shown that he has NO concept of how capital ships ACTUALLY OPERATE. Throwing spreadsheet stats around DOES NOT HELP - you have completely disproven your credibility by thinking that sieged dreads, supercaps, etc can be target painted, as well as all of your other banalities. PLEASE, can SOMEONE in CCP answer my question above?
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Cedori
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:28:00 -
[1272]
Reposting the cancellation post of a corpie who has now been account banned from the forums.
Quote:
2009.11.20 20:25 You are about to cancel your subscription! Are you sure you want to do this? Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 23.11.2009 23:59:47 Why are you cancelling? This will help us to improve our service. Player harassment If you want to elaborate further on your reason for canceling EVE, we would appreciate it very much. (optional)
Thanks to CCP Nozh there is one less ms pilot in the game. Thanks alot, CCP. --- Subscription successfully cancelled Click here to continue
This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti! |
kittypaws
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shredded HEY CCP! KEEP DELETING POSTS!
The playerbase will be happy if you can't hear them being unhappy, right?
Go go here we have all the post's ;) it's over 40 pages already
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1217073/page/40
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:29:00 -
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Well we reached 40 now anyway ;). And deleting posts ? Seriously ?
Somewhere within the CCP organisation is starting to go awry !
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Ralph42nd
Gallente Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:31:00 -
[1275]
Quote: Hey you know what..... I can post it again if you like it so much that you delete it.
Its just fact. Why pay for something that doesnt work?
"You are about to cancel your subscription! Are you sure you want to do this?
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 23.11.2009 23:59:47
Why are you cancelling? This will help us to improve our service. Player harassment
If you want to elaborate further on your reason for canceling EVE, we would appreciate it very much. (optional) Thanks to CCP Nozh there is one less ms pilot in the game. Thanks alot, CCP.
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Subscription successfully cancelled
Click here to continue"
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2009.11.20 20:25 You are about to cancel your subscription! Are you sure you want to do this? Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 23.11.2009 23:59:47 Why are you cancelling? This will help us to improve our service. Player harassment If you want to elaborate further on your reason for canceling EVE, we would appreciate it very much. (optional)
Thanks to CCP Nozh there is one less ms pilot in the game. Thanks alot, CCP. --- Subscription successfully cancelled Click here to continue
Quote:
You are about to cancel your subscription! Are you sure you want to do this?
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 03.12.2009 18:38:48
Why are you cancelling? This will help us to improve our service. Player harassment
If you want to elaborate further on your reason for canceling EVE, we would appreciate it very much. (optional) Forcing us to bug test and fix the supercaps, just to kill it with a GM that knows nothing about the game? :CONDI:
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New ones
Caldari Koln united
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:33:00 -
[1276]
Subscription Status: Cancelled Will be suspended12/18/2009
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:33:00 -
[1277]
Here's a post.
I want to offer a new perspective on what the original changes to supercaps would do for EVE. There are a variety of combat doctrines used in current alliance warfare. Current combat in EVE focuses on denial of resources (both in the form of R64s for the alliance space and ratting systems for individual members) and denial of space (in the form of capturing system after system) are the two major ones currently. Both share a common problem, they tend to be slow, as it is ultimately morale that causes one side or another to lose and this takes a long time to grind down.
Several years ago, however, there was a third doctrine which determined how wars would end as much as the other two. This was the idea of a decisive battle. The ASCN/LV/etc loss to RA in their home system with the destruction of several dreadnaughts, the ASCN titan death by BoB, and the abortion of LV's titan are good examples. Originally, the loss of a few dozen battleships or a handful of dreadnaughts could be considered decisive. This doctrine had a variety of advantages. It made warfare faster and more dynamic, it separated it somewhat from the resources either side could bring to bear (since even if one side was outnumbered, if they had more forces or more skill at the right time they could win the war ie RA), and it made for truly memorable and interesting experiences that shaped EVE's history. The closest I think we've come in the last year to that would be the battle which culminated in Kenzoku retreating to PR-, but even that was not decisive as Kenzoku et al were able to continue the fight several months longer.
The reason why this doctrine has disappeared is pretty simple. It's just no longer practical to field a sufficient number of ships that the resources of an alliance would be significantly effected by their loss in most cases. This is not true in all cases; a poor alliance using their entire cap fleet might open the possibility for a decisive battle, but cap fleets owned by alliances in this position are not risked because the potential gains do not justify the risks. At the most, the poor alliance could gain an R64 or defeat an enemy cap fleet to gain an advantage (but not win the war), but they could also lose everything. In a fight between two wealthy alliances, the possibility for a single decisive battle is remote enough to be considered absurd.
The changes to titans and motherships had the potential to change this around. With a tier of ships above dreadnaughts, the possibility of escalating a conflict above a mere capship fight became possible. Imagine an enemy is sieging your POS. You have engaged their subcap fleet, they responded by bringing in dreadnaughts and carriers, you countered them with a hotdrop. You have a slight advantage, but one large enough to win.
Up until the original plan for Dominion, that would've been the end of it. You would win the battle, an important battle, but odds are the war would continue. The titan and mothership changes introduced a new possibility and level to the conflict. Instead of the battle ending with your victory, another cyno opens and suddenly five of the enemy's titans and twice that many motherships supported by repping carriers drop onto the field. The risks and the rewards of the battle have changed. The possibility to lose your dreadnaught fleet in a spectacular manner now exists, but in return the enemy has given you the chance to destroy a good chunk of their supercapital force, which, due to the cost and long construction time, compounded by the lack of sov 4, would effectively destroy them. In order to take advantage of this, though, you have to risk your own supercapitals and the possibility of crippling your own alliance.
This is a hell of a lot more interesting than any type of warfare before it.
You had a chance to give us this.
Instead you want to give us super-rorquals and 18 billion isk titan-bait POS-huggers.
Not cool, dude, not cool.
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Commander Tigre
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:34:00 -
[1278]
Another page bites the dusta... "We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, you're already dead." |
Orgell Evaan
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:35:00 -
[1279]
Originally by: Morphisat Well we reached 40 now anyway ;). And deleting posts ? Seriously ?
Somewhere within the CCP organisation is starting to go awry !
Aaaaand, we're back down to 39. Buh-Bye!
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Cedori
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:36:00 -
[1280]
/sings'
Don't stop, deleting! Hold on to that feeling! Titans, and supercaps oh'ooooooh!
Yeah, because silencing opposition by deletion of words works. . . ever.
This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti! |
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Klisejo
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:36:00 -
[1281]
Look, the changes were fine. Just say your sorry and you were wrong. We'll forgive you.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:37:00 -
[1282]
Originally by: Orgell Evaan
Originally by: Morphisat Well we reached 40 now anyway ;). And deleting posts ? Seriously ?
Somewhere within the CCP organisation is starting to go awry !
Aaaaand, we're back down to 39. Buh-Bye!
Haha, you can delete my posts all you want CCP but you can't hide from the truth. Chribba should set eve-search to mirror this thread every 5 minutes or so, it should be over 60 pages by now easily.
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Vadinho
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:37:00 -
[1283]
youre deleting reports of players unsubscribing their accounts ahahahahahaha you dont get it at all do you
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paik
Minmatar H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:38:00 -
[1284]
CCP Forum mods you will not win this forum war
Forum posters
Regroup: 21/11/09 08:00
Quotes > Memes > LOLNOZH's > Free Abathur's
Objective = page 60 ________________________________________
LOLNOZHLOL |
Geddon4Life
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:38:00 -
[1285]
Originally by: CCP Fallout What will happen to capital ships with EVE Online: Dominion? Get the skinny from CCP Nozh's newest dev blog.
Here is what I think of this:
You are about to cancel your subscription! Are you sure you want to do this?
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 13.12.2009 22:30:23
Why are you cancelling? This will help us to improve our service. Player harassment
If you want to elaborate further on your reason for canceling EVE, we would appreciate it very much. (optional) seriously. Someone need to have the bosses look at the people working on cap ship changes and their incompetence. I feel REALLY ****ed by the fact that the people leading / fronting the changes (GM Nozh) to the customers (us players), do not even have basic insight into capital ships and their use.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:38:00 -
[1286]
Edited by: Morphisat on 20/11/2009 20:38:17
Originally by: Ravenid
Quote: I'm thinking they just dont want the page count to hit 40 pages. It probably wakes up the Senior Management.
Hey look I was right!
Yep looks like it. Will it stay at 39 or will we go down to 38 ? Exciting times people !
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New ones
Caldari Koln united
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:38:00 -
[1287]
Lol another page gone
eve-serch.com has all the post's
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1217073/page/40
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Hakaru Ishiwara
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:38:00 -
[1288]
Dear CCP,
All your clients are asking is for a straight-forward response to their questions on why the dog-leg turn was taken on mothership design so close to the expansion release.
Is there a legal, ethical or human resource-related reason blocking your response? I will take a leap and assume that the answer is yes. Otherwise, /me shakes head.
Also, I am seeing multiple pages disappear from this thread. Really? True, it is your forum and therefore your right to moderate as is desired.
And one of your lead game designers / producers, Noah Ward, has made the time to provide a fair amount of text to mmorpg.com, but is unable to allocate the time to address "the hard core players" (aka, current paying clients and potential viral promoters of CCP products)?
May I suggest a company-wide holiday bonus and gift?
I truly hope that you, as a seemingly forward-looking business entity, can work your way out of this community relationship quagmire.
Sincerely,
One befuddled customer.
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Master Akira
Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:38:00 -
[1289]
So guys, what's happening in this thread?
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Vadinho
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:39:00 -
[1290]
Originally by: New ones Lol another page gone
eve-serch.com has all the post's
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1217073/page/40
it looks like eve-search isnt updating at the rate it should since theres a lot more posts that have been deleted that arent on that archive
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