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Shayleigh Snowflower
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:40:00 -
[1291]
Originally by: Geddon4Life
Originally by: CCP Fallout What will happen to capital ships with EVE Online: Dominion? Get the skinny from CCP Nozh's newest dev blog.
Here is what I think of this:
You are about to cancel your subscription! Are you sure you want to do this?
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 13.12.2009 22:30:23
Why are you cancelling? This will help us to improve our service. Player harassment
If you want to elaborate further on your reason for canceling EVE, we would appreciate it very much. (optional) seriously. Someone need to have the bosses look at the people working on cap ship changes and their incompetence. I feel REALLY ****ed by the fact that the people leading / fronting the changes (GM Nozh) to the customers (us players), do not even have basic insight into capital ships and their use.
this seems like a smart guy. ---
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Klisejo
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:40:00 -
[1292]
I was looking forward to Dominion. Now I fear it. What other last minute changes will you make?
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Digital Gaidin
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:40:00 -
[1293]
To CCP: Back away from the delete button!
Is it really so hard to give a straightforward answer about WHY you chose to do something? Is there not a single developer (hell, even a community respondant) who can simply come on here, and I don't know... maybe answer a few questions and open a dialog?
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Gergragda
Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:41:00 -
[1294]
Deleting posts is non-constructive
Disagreement is constructive
You can have a discussion or you can have censorship, they are mutually exclusive.
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:42:00 -
[1295]
Originally by: paik CCP Forum mods you will not win this forum war
Forum posters
Regroup: 21/11/09 08:00
Quotes > Memes > LOLNOZH's > Free Abathur's
Objective = page 60
Just to give some further intel: We'll be hitting a CCP-Highend (Information-Portal-Region).
Also note: This is a fullscale-CTA. Every and all losses will be reimbursed, so I expect you to field all of your shiniest memes.
That is all.
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ProHulaDancer
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:42:00 -
[1296]
Originally by: paik CCP Forum mods you will not win this forum war
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Ralph42nd
Gallente Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:42:00 -
[1297]
NEVER STOP POSTING, NEVER STOP DELETING LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS.
VOTE CCP FOR BANKRUPTCY 2009
[QUOTE] Originally by: CCP Navigator Hello everyone,
While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.
We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.
Please keep silencing your customers because we disagree with you and yours. This tactic cannot possibly come back to bite you in the ***, or ***, or eve in your ***.
Every new player heard about t20 pretty quickly. Everyone will hear about this too.
If you would simply answer our questions and LISTEN to the FEEDBACK we HAVE provided YOU, this would be water under the bridge.
You have a drooling idiot employed to balance the largest, most expensive ships in the game and he has ZERO (0, none, nadda, not a) clue how the game actually works. Can you explain to me why this is the case? Can you explain to me after the hundreds and potentially thousands of complaints you have received in this thread and other you have chosen to ignore us? Have your reprimanded this idiot in anyway?
Can you explain in clear concise english :words: why you are having issues pushing forward the changes the player base said was cool and wanted? Can you explain rationally why all these changes are being undone? Are we to believe you are going to change nothing about dominion aside from making 0.0 space less worth keeping and more worth quiting over? Also taking AOE DD's away from titans without an appropriate back up (what mom's would have been amiright) will see titans less used in battle than ever before, is there a reason behind this design decision?
All your ideas are stupid, childish, idiotic and shameful. At one point I as well as thousands of other players were looking forward to the big game changing patch, now we have to think about if it's worth resubbing for or not, and you don't care because we are saying bad stuff about you on your forum and your clearly in a PR stance of ignore it and maybe it will go away. Did the T20 threadnaught go away? Have your past ******ed blemishes gone away?
This thread has moved from it original topic to a demand for accountability at CCP Games, and if you can ****ing deal with that perhaps you should harden the **** up, and learn to play your own game, because you'll be the only people on the planet with a copy of it on your computers.
Fire that ****** Nozh, implement the changes the players tested and said were cool and were working. Else explain why not.
And don't post in this thread again with a warning about trolling and spamming when you won't answer what you have been asked. [/QUOTE]
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gobbie
Transgenic Cybernetics
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:42:00 -
[1298]
BANANAS ARE TOTALLY UNRELIABLE
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Cedori
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:42:00 -
[1299]
Originally by: Gergragda Deleting posts is non-constructive
Disagreement is constructive
You can have a discussion or you can have censorship, they are mutually exclusive.
Quoting this, and posting it every time more posts are deleted. And I feel pretty dirty quoting a Goon.
This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti! |
EvilweaselSA
Weasel Enterprises Ltd GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:42:00 -
[1300]
You guys seem to be missing a pretty key part of what's going on here: nobody agrees with your decision that the abathur version of motherships was flawed, and you've made no case for why. Without explaining exactly why you started changing them to begin with after they had been perfected (and having that explanation make a great deal of sense), there is going to be no letup no matter how many posts you delete.
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Toman Torax
Rage For Order Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:43:00 -
[1301]
"We don't like this response" *delete* *delete* *delete* *delete* Do you guys not even get what a Star Wars Galaxies NGE scenario you're developing here? Go look up what happened with SWG NGE, and the fallout that ensued. Here's a starter: We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players.
ùJohn Smedley, president of Sony Online Entertainment
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Zun Da
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:43:00 -
[1302]
Originally by: Morphisat Well we reached 40 now anyway ;)
In your dreams! They are deleting posts faster than you can imagine.
The really sad thing though is that instead of sitting in front of their computers scanning posts frenzily they really should have alarmed some people at CCP who has some responsibility and started talking with them.
I mean, isn't it obvious that something is really WRONG with the whole Dominion expansion and that a large part of the playerbase is really uphappy about that? And that it becomes worse and worse from every blog?
Shouldn't people be really alarmed and discuss and talk and think about it instead of kicking up the watch-dogs to delete all the crap-posts? Yeah yeah I know, forum moderation discussion is not allowed. But think about it!
Try to spend the time thinking about what is WRONG.
Also, why is there only ONE reply in almost 24 hours? It is obvious that there is real concern and worrying, ALL the alliances who are doing capital stuff UNITEDLY say that something is wrong.
Why only one reply? And that reply was pretty incoherent, didn't answer a single question but instead answered some fake-questions which no one even asked or cared about. |
Kieselguhr Kid
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:43:00 -
[1303]
Originally by: Vadinho youre deleting reports of players unsubscribing their accounts ahahahahahaha you dont get it at all do you
if they run out of unsubscription posts, they've won, amirite
trivia question: name one other internet spaceship game that released an expansion that broke the game and deleted posts about it
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Orgell Evaan
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:43:00 -
[1304]
Originally by: Master Akira So guys, what's happening in this thread?
We're qualitizing our synergistic throughput through vectored visualizations of the paradigm.
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Klisejo
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:45:00 -
[1305]
If you want to be number one in customer service, you have to do a number of things that make you stand out from the crowd. Here are 7 ways that will put you on top.
1. Roll Out The Red Carpet For Everyone
If thereÆs one thing people hate about poor service, itÆs getting treated differently from others. It makes them feel inferior and second-class. Gary Richter says you should roll out the red carpet for everyone, but particularly those who donÆt expect it. ôI tell my employees, if we roll out the red carpet for a billionaire, they wonÆt even notice. If we roll it out for millionaires, they expect it. If we roll it out for "thousandaires" they appreciate it. And, if we roll out the red carpet for "hundredaires" theyÆll tell everyone they know.ö
2. Take Time To Know Your Customers
The fast pace of modern living together with advances in technology have together put a non-human face on much of our customer service. If you can find a way to re-connect with your customers one-on-one, youÆll strike a chord with your customers that will be like a streak of gold. Kathy Burns remembers a time when people took time to care and listen. ôSome of you may remember, and others may have heard stories about, a time in life when the doctor would come to your home to check on you if you were ill. Or maybe youÆve heard about going down to your local pharmacy and having the owner greet you by name and ask how youÆre doing. Not only did they ask, but they really wanted to know the answer and they took the time to listen to what you had to say. ThatÆs customer service û taking the time to know your customers, really caring about how they feel, and wanting to go the extra mile to make sure theyÆre happy.ö
3. Be Easy To Do Business With
One of the problems with modern businesses is that the systems we use to save time and money are often devised for the companyÆs benefit and not the customers. As a result, the customer experience is frustrating and difficult. Tracey Lowrance says this needs to be reversed. ôCustomers expect single source service. Customers donÆt want to be transferred to every unit of your business to have their problems solved. They want to be able to do business with you with the slightest amount of discomfort. You must be easy to do business with.ö
4. Go Out Of Your Way To Make Sure TheyÆre Happy
One of the most important things your customers want from you is a guarantee that your product or service will work. So move heaven and earth to make sure it does. Bob Leduc suggests you shouldnÆt make people pay until they are fully happy. ôInstead of offering a money back guarantee, a service business can provide a guarantee to solve the customerÆs problem. For example, a plumber can guarantee to come back without charge as often as necessary to stop the leak. A landscaper can replace without charge any plants that donÆt survive for at least 6 months. A sales consultant can continue working without charge until the promised sales results are achieved.ö
5. Notice What Customers See
A big part of what customers think about you comes from what they see and believe. Personal Selling Power noticed the following difference in two candy stores. ôAlthough two competing candy stores had the same prices, neighbourhood kids preferred one store to the other. When asked why, they said, ôBecause the person in the good store always gives us more candy. The girl in the other store takes candy away.ö True? Not really. In the good store the owner would always make sure to put a small amount of candy on the scale and then keep adding to it. In the bad store, the owner would pile a heaping amount of candy on the scale, and then take it off until it hit the right weight. The same amount of candy was sold, but perception is everything.ö
6. Work On Everything The Customer Experiences
The customer experience isnÆt just receiving the service or buying the goods. ItÆs about all the other little bits and pieces in-between. Such as the manner of the re
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Grillmeister Grim
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:05:00 -
[1306]
Do you really think that such heavy censorship is doing you any good?
Think about it!
Next days you will read at the online magazines
"MASS CENSORSHIP AT ALL OVER UNWANTED GAME CHANGES"
And the magazines will have no problem to find that 40%+ of the posts got censored and deleted.
Yeah, great greaaaaaaat PR. Think about it.
And what will you say then? "We were well within our rights to delete those posts." Oi, greaaat impression you make there. The PR-guys will soooo much thank you.
Don't you understand? A lot of players are unhappy.
LET THEM RANT AND COOL DOWN AND EXHAUST THEMSELVES.
If you delete stuff you only fuel them and they keep on and on getting more and more upset. You know how much damage a bunch of enraged nerds can do?
Just let them rant and exhaust. Then, after a while, some reasonable discussion can happen - hopefully.
But why is there no feedback from CCP? I mean, shouldn't be there some guys trained for such occurances? Come on, even a post like 'Hey guys, we apologize for the uproar and will look at all the stuff in detail again. Give us a couple hours and we will give you answers.' would help.
But nothing??
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Ryan Powers
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:05:00 -
[1307]
/waits for a CCP (preferably Abathur, the basement must be cold there) to "harden the f*** up" and explain to the masses wtf is going on here. ...and for all these posts to stop getting deleted. Just put 'Inappropriate content removed' or something. :[
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Narawen Blake
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:06:00 -
[1308]
Failure cascade?
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Pyriine Maurete
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:13:00 -
[1309]
EXCELLENCE in stifling discontent with unjust and patently ridiculous rule.
SHUT UP AND GIVE US YOUR MONEY, YOU STUPID SUBSCRIBERS!
Nice job, CCCP! |
Helios Darksteel
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:13:00 -
[1310]
Just noticed that deleting posts bumps all the current post ID's down so we don't see the post gaps. So while it "says" there are 39.* pages of posts (1199/30), there are clearly many missing. Creative way to hide censorship by coding... clever girl.
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Konoch
Caldari Azriel's Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:13:00 -
[1311]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Quit whining like babies seals.
(course if I had a MS I would be 'whining' too)
Or a Titan, or (and this affects many more people) a Phoenix or a Naglfar ...
Not to mention anything else soon to be touched by devs who don't understand their own game mechanics.
And the fact that a ****TON of work by PLAYERS got thrown out the door with the baby water.
This isnt just bad PR this is borderline criminal. This is bait and switch bull**** and i dont think i'm going to pay for it. I've only been playing on this account for two months. But two years ago i left over simular bull****. I came back thinking maybe CCP did clean up its act. They got 72 hours to figure this **** out or i hit the cancel sub button permanently.
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Bilbo II
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:14:00 -
[1312]
Deleting posts is unconstructive
Disagreement is not unconstructive
You can have a discussion or you can have censorship, not both because they are mutually exclusive.
Maybe it is time to start petitions to ask questions they delete or just won't answer here.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:14:00 -
[1313]
Fight for your right to express your concerns to CCP.
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Ralph42nd
Gallente Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:14:00 -
[1314]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Quit whining like babies seals.
(course if I had a MS I would be 'whining' too)
Or a Titan, or (and this affects many more people) a Phoenix or a Naglfar ...
Not to mention anything else soon to be touched by devs who don't understand their own game mechanics.
Or banned because they had the gall to speak up about it? Or banned because they had the balls to complain about a dev? Or banned just because they ever played eve in the first place?
This is sad CCP, really, really sad.
I look forward to watching you attempt to delete the outrage you have cause here yesterday and today at the farthest reaches of the internet.
You sirs are terrible.
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Hello everyone,
While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.
We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.
Please keep silencing your customers because we disagree with you and yours. This tactic cannot possibly come back to bite you in the ***, or ***, or eve in your ***.
Every new player heard about t20 pretty quickly. Everyone will hear about this too.
If you would simply answer our questions and LISTEN to the FEEDBACK we HAVE provided YOU, this would be water under the bridge.
You have a drooling idiot employed to balance the largest, most expensive ships in the game and he has ZERO (0, none, nadda, not a) clue how the game actually works. Can you explain to me why this is the case? Can you explain to me after the hundreds and potentially thousands of complaints you have received in this thread and other you have chosen to ignore us? Have your reprimanded this idiot in anyway?
Can you explain in clear concise english :words: why you are having issues pushing forward the changes the player base said was cool and wanted? Can you explain rationally why all these changes are being undone? Are we to believe you are going to change nothing about dominion aside from making 0.0 space less worth keeping and more worth quiting over? Also taking AOE DD's away from titans without an appropriate back up (what mom's would have been amiright) will see titans less used in battle than ever before, is there a reason behind this design decision?
All your ideas are stupid, childish, idiotic and shameful. At one point I as well as thousands of other players were looking forward to the big game changing patch, now we have to think about if it's worth resubbing for or not, and you don't care because we are saying bad stuff about you on your forum and your clearly in a PR stance of ignore it and maybe it will go away. Did the T20 threadnaught go away? Have your past ******ed blemishes gone away?
This thread has moved from it original topic to a demand for accountability at CCP Games, and if you can ****ing deal with that perhaps you should harden the **** up, and learn to play your own game, because you'll be the only people on the planet with a copy of it on your computers.
Fire that ****** Nozh, implement the changes the players tested and said were cool and were working. Else explain why not.
And don't post in this thread again with a warning about trolling and spamming when you won't answer what you have been asked.
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vile56
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gergragda Deleting posts is unconstructive
Disagreement is not unconstructive
You can have a discussion or you can have censorship, not both because they are mutually exclusive.
empty quote and a paper tiger quote
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Ryan Powers
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:14:00 -
[1316]
Edited by: Ryan Powers on 20/11/2009 21:14:54
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
The LAST thing they are going to do is actually explain themselves. Having built their stone walls, Nozh and CCP are going to hope they can withstand our trebuchets.
So load the trebuchets with corpses.
Serious question: So no changes will be made to mothership come Dominion. This includes the removal of clone vat bays, yes?
Julio: gimme links!
Note to self: This was on page 41 @ time of post.
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Cedori
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:14:00 -
[1317]
Originally by: Gergragda Deleting posts is non-constructive
Disagreement is constructive
You can have a discussion or you can have censorship, they are mutually exclusive.
Quoting this, and posting it every time more posts are deleted. And I feel pretty dirty quoting a Goon.
4th Paste
This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti! |
Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:14:00 -
[1318]
Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 20/11/2009 21:14:34
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Quit whining like babies seals.
(course if I had a MS I would be 'whining' too)
Or a Titan, or (and this affects many more people) a Phoenix or a Naglfar ...
Not to mention anything else soon to be touched by devs who don't understand their own game mechanics.
Your right.
I'm sure glad I blew up my two Phoenix's for the plat insurance. 1.55b payout ftw.
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Mrs Trzzbk
Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:14:00 -
[1319]
This is hilarious. I mean, this whole situation is amazing. _________________________________________________________
it's good to have land Trust me, I'm a Spacebert. |
Digital Gaidin
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Posted - 2009.11.20 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Helios Darksteel Just noticed that deleting posts bumps all the current post ID's down so we don't see the post gaps. So while it "says" there are 39.* pages of posts (1199/30), there are clearly many missing. Creative way to hide censorship by coding... clever girl.
I find that every time I hit refresh, the best thing to do is find an easily recognizable post and note the POST ID... check again when it comes back up what its at to determine number of posts deleted BEFORE the post and number deleted AFTER
I really hope their devs turned into forum mods to give time for a follow-up post to be re-written before too many accounts are cancelled, lol...
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