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Kylem
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Posted - 2009.11.25 07:15:00 -
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Hello ppl, I really didnt think id ever be doing this but what ive recantly learnt is so compeling ive got to make sure every1 i know has had a chance to know this also...
Some of you maynot know about it but the UN is to hold a climate debate in denmark this December... They want to tax us on the air we breath out.. Thats right, they wonna clasify carbon dioxide as a toxic gas and make us pay for it lol.
Thats not the news btw.
The CRU, Climate Research Unit of the East Anglia University have had there emails hacked. This is massive news as this is where the worlds governments gets all its climate data from, and what do these stolen emails reveal??? Proof that weve been lied to by the governments we trust
The planet is not warming up, infact we are cooling down lmao... scientists and polititions have decieved us, results have been fudged and scientests skeptical of climate change have been silenced...
All this to bring in a global climate tax we just dont need.
Check the vid, its alex jones from infowars, he can explain it all better than me
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.25 07:18:00 -
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There's a topic about it over here with good discussion going on.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.25 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kylem Proof that weve been lied to by the governments we trust
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Kylem
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Posted - 2009.11.25 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Kylem Proof that weve been lied to by the governments we trust
We do trust the government, thats y we`l let them vacinate our children against swine flu... forcably if must be |
Skye Aldaris
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.11.25 08:55:00 -
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People are more likely to believe your message if you type legibly. Though, I do agree with what you have brought to EVE's attention.
It's important also to do some deep research on Alex Jones. You've probably heard it before, but he's actually an agent provocateur - That's right, government shill. Dig deep - The rabbit hole goes deep.
For now, focusing on removing the veil on the "climate change" myth is a very important task. I've been preaching it for 5 years now, and every year less people call me a "quack" for saying what I do.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.25 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kylem
Check the vid, its alex jones from infowars, he can explain it all better than me
Alex Jones is to truth what creationism is to biology. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.11.25 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Kylem
Check the vid, its alex jones from infowars, he can explain it all better than me
Alex Jones is to truth what creationism is to biology.
I couldn't help but crack a smile over this comment.
Soooo true. So true
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 11:56:00 -
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Everyone shouting 'OMG ITS A CONSPIRACY' over these e-maisl clearly hasn't read them, they say next to nothing and even the repetitiously quoted few are ambiguous and vague.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2009.11.25 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Burnharder on 25/11/2009 12:22:49
Originally by: Sokratesz Everyone shouting 'OMG ITS A CONSPIRACY' over these e-maisl clearly hasn't read them, they say next to nothing and even the repetitiously quoted few are ambiguous and vague.
I read them last Thursday. I am an active "denier" (note: until last August, I didn't even have a car, so I have no dog in this race apart from my concerns about the destruction of public trust in the integrity of the scientific process). Anyway, here are some juicy quotes posted up at Bishop Hill's blog:
Bishop Hill's blog
There isn't much ambiguity here Sokratesz. I know it's hard to let go of pre-conceived ideals and read it for what it is, but just try to do so. There's a little conspiracy here to game the peer review process, to avoid FOI requests (illegal) and to pressure certain media elements. There's no BIG conspiracy though but then there doesn't have to be. It's a bit like institutional racism. I like to call it, "institutional warmism". It's endemic in the media, our political class and is based on a lie.
Now we can discuss the science, but just don't tell me "there are x peer reviewed papers supporting my position". Because as we now know, there is a good reason why there aren't many sceptical papers out there in the major journals.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 14:22:00 -
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As someone stated elsewhere: There are over 1100 institutions worldwide conducting research that is related to climate change - I eagerly await the unearthing of that global conspiracy.
Also, this
For a conspiracy to be in place there has to be an ulterior motive for these tens of thousands of researchers - and don't start about research grants because that's not where the taxes you claim are in place because of the conspiracy go towards.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2009.11.25 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz As someone stated elsewhere: There are over 1100 institutions worldwide conducting research that is related to climate change - I eagerly await the unearthing of that global conspiracy.
Also, this
For a conspiracy to be in place there has to be an ulterior motive for these tens of thousands of researchers - and don't start about research grants because that's not where the taxes you claim are in place because of the conspiracy go towards.
What more do you need to know? Most of the "compelling research" comes from these few scientists and a lot of it is just plain crap. The rest are citing the papers and data of this bunch. There aren't `thousands of scientists' working on the core problem.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
What more do you need to know? Most of the "compelling research" comes from these few scientists and a lot of it is just plain crap. The rest are citing the papers and data of this bunch. There aren't `thousands of scientists' working on the core problem.
You just *want* to find a reason to say 'science sucks' don't you? At my uni alone, Wageningen, The Netherlands, there are more than 200 people involved in the faculty climate studies and the amount of papers produced worldwide on the subject is innumerable.
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Arik VanClaw
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.25 14:46:00 -
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I guess some people can't let go of a lie no matter how many times it's proven to be false.
I hear some people never stop believing in Santa Clause either.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Arik VanClaw I guess some people can't let go of a lie no matter how many times it's proven to be false.
I hear some people never stop believing in Santa Clause either.
Great, another internet scientist. Would you say the same about god to the same conservative audience that applauds your opinion on climate change?
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Elora Danzik
Caldari Idiots In Spaceships Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 15:36:00 -
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Science has been known to be corupted for a very long time.
Einstien was not accepted at first because the established scientist had their tenures and endowments and status to worry about. Later in life Einstien was accused by the younger generation of doing the same thing. He admitted that he didn't like seeing "his" theories played with, essentially.
Global warming has been preached about since the 60's. Granted in then there were very specific enviormental things to worry about. Afterall a river in an industrial town caught fire it was so polluted. The problem now is that science is usually done in Universities. PHd professors are very political. When something comes along that threatens "their" research as incorrect they tend to get defensive. Spend over 20 yrs of your life investigating soemthing and see how protective you are of it.
And you can say don't talk about the money, because ultimately that is what it is. Money , Status, etc. Scientists are human and therefore will have thier own agenda.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.25 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
You just *want* to find a reason to say 'science sucks' don't you? At my uni alone, Wageningen, The Netherlands, there are more than 200 people involved in the faculty climate studies and the amount of papers produced worldwide on the subject is innumerable.
You simply have no idea just who Michael Mann and his "crew" are? When you understand their impact on anthropogenic global warming theories, how they have been discredited in the past, and understand their influence on the IPCC, then maybe you might take seriously their collaboration to destroy emails, documents, avoid and ignore freedom of information acts, collaborate with sympathetic freedom of information act officers to assist them in not cplying with freedom of information requests.
Maybe you will appreciate the gravity of their plans to pressure board members of a journal to get rid of an editor publishing papers contrary to their belief. Is it science to you that this team went through the thesis background of a "disbeliever" and discussed methods to have his PhD reassessed?
Maybe you will take pause that their computer modeling is in absolute dissarry, missing files, missing data, undocumented procedures, unrepeatable calculations. Models so bad, when reviewed, changes to code had to be made, and models finessed to reproduce results.
Maybe you might be concerned that this group, when forced to comply with freedom on information requests, discussed how they can remove whatever data they could - data they paid for - (well - taxpayers paid for it anyway and the basis of the freedom of information act), recalculate data back to the original raw date in order to make the data as hard to interpret as possible.
This is science? This is what you consider appropriate research by some of the lead authors of the IPCC?
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Aethrwolf
Caldari Podrratu
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Posted - 2009.11.25 15:51:00 -
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What I find interesting is that some of the biggest "global warming" researchers are some of the same ones who were in the frontline of the previous "ice age" guys. Personally, I dont know how anyone can claim either with authority, since we have only explored about 5% of the Oceans... THE biggest factor in our climate. Absolutely everything is subjective. |
Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.25 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aethrwolf What I find interesting is that some of the biggest "global warming" researchers are some of the same ones who were in the frontline of the previous "ice age" guys. Personally, I dont know how anyone can claim either with authority, since we have only explored about 5% of the Oceans... THE biggest factor in our climate.
Humankind is still unable to determine how clouds are formed!
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2009.11.25 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Kylem
Check the vid, its alex jones from infowars, he can explain it all better than me
Alex Jones is to truth what creationism is to biology.
I love you will you marry me?
Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 25/11/2009 16:47:04
Originally by: Elora Danzik Science has been known to be corupted for a very long time.
Thanks for that insight einstein, but may I ask, what is your personal experience with science? Did it touch you in naughty places when you were young? Did it violate some cherished beliefs you had about the world around you?
Originally by: Elora Danzik
And you can say don't talk about the money, because ultimately that is what it is. Money , Status, etc. Scientists are human and therefore will have thier own agenda.
Because they make money off of leading us to believe the earth warms up how?
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
This is science? This is what you consider appropriate research by some of the lead authors of the IPCC?
If the mails are correct than indeed some of their methods were questionable and sanctions should be placed, but do you honestly believe that every research institute works like that? I will repeat my comment from earlier..if there's a million people working on something, there's bound to be a few rotten apples.
*edit*
and what exactly is the link between this and michael mann?
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2009.11.25 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Because they make money off of leading us to believe the earth warms up how?
It's simple. For example, Phil Jones has cribbed over ú13,000,000 in research grants for his institution over the last ten years. Literally BILLIONS are being spent on researching this crap now by governments all over the world. It's a whopping great gravy train. Secondly, the great blood sucking vampire on the face of humanity (Goldman Sachs) are actively lobbying for Cap & Trade. Why? Because they stand to make a very large sum of money trading and hedging these instruments in future. Al Gore stands to make billions from his investments (he calls it putting his money where his mouth is, I call it putting his mouth where his money is).
As for motivation, these people are activist scientists. James Hansen doesn't mind getting arrested for the green cause. Some of the emails even refer to a letter sent to a newspaper signed by them that was drafted by Greenpeace and that is just the beginning. Have you even read the emails? What about the comments in the computer code? The whole thing is quite literally INCREDIBLE.
What about all the others? They don't matter. Do you think you're going to get your paper published when these guys are stacking the editorial boards and rejecting on review? The fact of the matter is that the whole exercise is corrupt and you cannot trust any of it. You can take a view, but you can't run a trillion dollar policy on the back of it. Unless you're a complete cretin of course.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 18:35:00 -
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Again, those are just a select few. There is no greater science conspiracy, and the community, if you can even speak of one, has a great self-correcting capability due to the fact that there is active competition for research grants and developments in for example agriculture and medicine. Occasionally mistakes do happen (piltdown man :D) but they are usually corrected soon enough.
All that said tho, I am interested in the response of the institute involved..
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.25 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 25/11/2009 22:06:57
Originally by: Sokratesz Again, those are just a select few. There is no greater science conspiracy, and the community, if you can even speak of one, has a great self-correcting capability due to the fact that there is active competition for research grants and developments in for example agriculture and medicine. Occasionally mistakes do happen (piltdown man :D) but they are usually corrected soon enough.
All that said tho, I am interested in the response of the institute involved..
The link to Michael E Mann, is, he is either mentioned in half the emails, or he has written in half the emails. It doesn't matter how select few these people are, this team is WHAT THE IPCC is basing their regulation on! The CO2/Temp HOCKEY STICK came from this group (Michael Mann), and that has already been proven to be a fraud. You are failing to understand the influence of the CRU and this university and its collaborators. This team is to go-to of the UN. Without these guys, there would be no, and never will be a IPCC. The have influence over government officials, and have collaborated with government officials in different nations o avoid freedom of information act requests. You think your typical graduate student doing a thesis on global warming effects on the spotted caterpillar has that kind of clout? Does that graduate student have enough clout to prevent the publication of paper that might contradict his thesis? These guys are not "just a few." They are the ones that are putting together temperature data, and effectively preventing other from accessing their data.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.26 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Kylem
Check the vid, its alex jones from infowars, he can explain it all better than me
Alex Jones is to truth what creationism is to biology.
So you believe in creationism?
I challenge all Sheer Coincidence theorists to provide proof that Jones is wrong.
The time has ended, where people will spend hours posting research to sheer coindidence theorists who will smugly sit there and say "nope, not enough proof".
Soory, it's over. Now WE can sit here and smugly say to them "show ME the proof".
The truth is breaking out. I know that bothers some people. Hats off to the hackers. NOW we know why governments want to put people in jail for hacking longer than they would lock up a child molestor.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.26 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 26/11/2009 05:55:30
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The truth is breaking out. I know that bothers some people. Hats off to the hackers. NOW we know why governments want to put people in jail for hacking longer than they would lock up a child molestor.
Because these mails are solid evidence of a worldwide science conspiracy? You're seeing things that aren't there.
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
The link to Michael E Mann, is, he is either mentioned in half the emails, or he has written in half the emails. It doesn't matter how select few these people are, this team is WHAT THE IPCC is basing their regulation on! The CO2/Temp HOCKEY STICK came from this group (Michael Mann), and that has already been proven to be a fraud. You are failing to understand the influence of the CRU and this university and its collaborators. This team is the go-to of the UN. Without these guys, there would be no, and never will be an IPCC. They have influence over government officials, and have collaborated with government officials in different nations to avoid freedom of information act requests. You think your typical graduate student doing a thesis on global warming effects on the spotted caterpillar has that kind of clout? Does that graduate student have enough clout to prevent the publication of papers that might contradict his thesis? These guys are not "just a few." They are the ones that are putting together temperature data, and effectively preventing others from accessing their data.
I've been to a number of guest lectures on climate change and his name didn't come up once or it didn't stick. Either way, I'm just becoming more and more eager to hear a reply from the CRU.
All that said, I am still very confident that if indeed a small number of people have been modifying their results for a certain purpose (WHAT purpose) then it will be outed eventually by new research and investigation.
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.26 06:17:00 -
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Here is a true story. I think it has relevance to this debate
Few years ago in the UK, a scientist came out and said that the MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rhubella (SP?) vaccine given to children at a very young age could be causing an increased chance of Autism.
Or at least he said words to that effect, and the media picked up on it. Cue lots of controversy.
Fast forward to many years later and said scientist has been largely discredited. However, meantime, many concerned parents had stopped their children getting MMR vacine.
Cases of Measles, mumps and rhubella jump, whilst there are no appreciable changes in levels of Autism (that can be linked to less people getting the vaccine (i.e. trends continue or jump/fall on better diagnosis)
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.11.26 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: TRD 2371 on 26/11/2009 07:07:15
world wide science conspiracy? lmao! scientist are just humans too. lmao!
climate tax? lmao!
what actually gets done that needs tobe done here concerning the climate world wide? lmao!
just look at that conferences with all their talk! lmao!
climate does not mean just global warming alone! lmao!
climate means the whole!
nature and man, man and nature !
who say is two? lmao !
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.11.26 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: TRD 2371 on 26/11/2009 07:57:09
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Here is a true story. I think it has relevance to this debate
Few years ago in the UK, a scientist came out and said that the MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rhubella (SP?) vaccine given to children at a very young age could be causing an increased chance of Autism.
Or at least he said words to that effect, and the media picked up on it. Cue lots of controversy.
Fast forward to many years later and said scientist has been largely discredited. However, meantime, many concerned parents had stopped their children getting MMR vacine.
Cases of Measles, mumps and rhubella jump, whilst there are no appreciable changes in levels of Autism (that can be linked to less people getting the vaccine (i.e. trends continue or jump/fall on better diagnosis)
yep. i have a wonderfull article (sadly not english) from an foremost expert on the topic and he basicly says people the last years have been literally wishing for pandemics and getting the flu shots. evil to him who evil thinks.
his conclusion to the whole thing was: wash you hands. stop worrying.
my doc on the topic(swine-flu in particular): he just laughs.
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.11.26 08:01:00 -
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Edited by: TRD 2371 on 26/11/2009 08:01:57
Originally by: Skye Aldaris People are more likely to believe your message if you type legibly. Though, I do agree with what you have brought to EVE's attention.
It's important also to do some deep research on Alex Jones. You've probably heard it before, but he's actually an agent provocateur - That's right, government shill. Dig deep - The rabbit hole goes deep.
haha cool. finally someone speaks it out loud. this is how ive been feeling about him the whole time and more. he appears far from being a self-centered man.
all his screaming. whats that gonna solve.
it is an absorption.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.26 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 26/11/2009 10:56:52
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Kylem
Check the vid, its alex jones from infowars, he can explain it all better than me
Alex Jones is to truth what creationism is to biology.
I love you will you marry me?
I'm flattered I accept your offer, but only if I can be the butch.
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
So you believe in creationism?
I think it's pretty obvious I dont.
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I challenge all Sheer Coincidence theorists to provide proof that Jones is wrong.
I'm sorry. the burden of oproof is on the one making claims. alex Jones is and will always be a conspiracy madman.
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The truth is breaking out
What truth? All you got is the crazy ramblings of crazy people.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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