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Makeit Happen
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Posted - 2009.11.30 18:11:00 -
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Using caldari ships (hac / recon / af / bs / bc / hic), which would be the best choice to kill an ishtar.
This would be a 1v1 scenario.
How do you go about engaging an ishtar, how do you deal with the drones?
Thanks for any information.
I was thinking either rook (need quick lock or will die to drones), or drake (not sure how!). |
Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:02:00 -
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Try one of these. If you can tackle him you should be able to kill him.
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Peckles
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:03:00 -
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The only way you are going to kill him with on of those drakes is if he ****s up by letting himself enter scram range.
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Robert0288
Caldari R E D E M P T I O N Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:05:00 -
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All things being equal a good ishtar pilot will be able to dictate range in an engagement unless you land right ontop of him. A cerb may be able to fight it out toe to toe. Other than that unless the ishtar ****s up or you get the jump on him with a scram your probably not in very good shape.
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cho0li0
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:24:00 -
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Get a friend and gank the Ishtar
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Makeit Happen
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Posted - 2009.11.30 21:21:00 -
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1v1, get a friend is not an option.
Lots of views not many replies, so is this just a futile request.
Is the ishtar really that overpowered compared to almost ANY caldari ship, its not worth trying?
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Tactikill
Caldari Allied Tactical Squadron
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Posted - 2009.11.30 21:29:00 -
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It's one of the few ships that don't want to 1v1. I know that doesn't help. A HAM fitted Drake is not a bad option but unless you can keep him in the 20-24 KM range, all you'll be able to do is kill his drones.
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Torpir Lee
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:51:00 -
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Torp Raven maybe? If the Ishtar pilot is nano fit, he might be stupid enough to keep the MWD on while you hammer him with Mjolnir Torps. As a Caldari, you don't have a chance reliably keeping him tackled, so your only option is to surprise him with a lot of DPS. Drake isn't very good for this, as Ishtar has huge kinetic resistance. Overheat your disruptor, TP/Web if possible, hammer away with torps and drones and hope for the best. The more you surprise him the better, so maybe even web drones would be a good idea.
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Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes
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Posted - 2009.11.30 23:17:00 -
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A HMLdrake would kill the ishtar just as easily.
And ishtar's weakness is that it uses drones.
If it's armor tanked (Easy to tell by putting one volly into the ishtar) web + 2 volly each drone with HML's, if possible, do some overloaded MWD flying to get a scram on the ishtar, hold it in place while you remove the drones, switch to expolsive damage and **** it's face
Or if it's a shield tanked ishtar, ignore the drones completely. Expolsive missiles to it's face will either force it off you if it's managing to stay outta scram/web range, or you'll explode it's scalp off if you've caught it --------------------------------------------
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Tuvar Hiede
Caldari Snuggle Muffins
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Posted - 2009.12.01 00:10:00 -
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An Ishtar is not the best PvP boat for a 1v1 either due to the fact a lot of people speed tank which means no point. If they come in for a point it forces them to close range and risk getting caught themselves. If it was me Id recommend webber drones held until you are close enough to put on a point, then web with drones and close for a scram. Until you can close that gap work on his drones. If you kill those he is SOL. Don't send yours to soon or they risk being primaried as well. If lookin bad on catching him align for warp if **** goes bad. Hope hat helps
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.12.01 00:23:00 -
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Drake, you just need to get him in scram range...
Burn away from him with mwd on, he will mwd after you. When he gets some speed, wait for the end of your mwd cycle, turn around, overheat /mwd, scram and web/, tackle and kill /use em or exp missiles/. But you wont catch good pilot in nano ishtar with drake...
If its arranged 1v1 he can use some sig/ab armor tanking ishtar, so if fight isnt going well shoot his drones .
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.12.01 12:54:00 -
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Blaster rokh. If he can point you, you are in range and will waste him. Drake is also a good option. -----------------------------------------------------
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Kashmyta
Gallente Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.12.01 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith A HMLdrake would kill the ishtar just as easily.
And ishtar's weakness is that it uses drones.
If it's armor tanked (Easy to tell by putting one volly into the ishtar) web + 2 volly each drone with HML's, if possible, do some overloaded MWD flying to get a scram on the ishtar, hold it in place while you remove the drones, switch to expolsive damage and **** it's face
Or if it's a shield tanked ishtar, ignore the drones completely. Expolsive missiles to it's face will either force it off you if it's managing to stay outta scram/web range, or you'll explode it's scalp off if you've caught it
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Taudia
Gallente Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.12.01 14:00:00 -
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In a properly fit Drake, your biggest problem should be keeping the Ishtar from establishing range. In terms of raw dps and tank, you should overpower him by a fair bit.
Ishtar has a lot of dronebay, so don't go all in on killing is dps off, especially in a drake. What you can do is use your drones to kill off heavies and keep missiles on the boat itself. This means a lot more management for him, and he will have to take dps off of you to try and counteract your drones, which is a pretty big advantage for a passive shield tank.
Again, the most important part is getting into range and killing his speed. As other people point out, you need him to slip up and land a scramble on him.
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Alexander Det1989
Caldari Nex Exercitus IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.01 14:35:00 -
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Although the Ishtar will probably stock non thermal drones it'll most likely start with Ogres... using a cerb with even a Single LSE buffer you have ages to kill off drones then do whatever the hell you want to kill the ishtar... just make sure you aren't using kinetic missiles, they won't do **** to it (high racial resist).
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Molly Milli0ns
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Posted - 2009.12.01 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Det1989 just make sure you aren't using kinetic missiles, they won't do **** to it (high racial resist).
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2009.12.01 19:07:00 -
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Make sure to use EM missiles on them.
If its shield tanked, EM will be the lowest and generally for armor tankers, they have explosive hardener + EANM/DC II, makes EM the lowest resist. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Molly Milli0ns
Originally by: Alexander Det1989 just make sure you aren't using kinetic missiles, they won't do **** to it (high racial resist).
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.12.01 22:14:00 -
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Lol why not use a friend? T1 frigate and your drake can go scramble the Ishtar. Dead Ishtar.
Even a drake by itself will always force the Ishtar off and there are ways you could get a scram on it if you're willing to **** around with stargates and other things that don't involve clicking approach and F1.
Caldari HACs are range oriented. They probably won't beat an ishtar in a tank'ngank situation. Probably be slower than an ishtar too. For shield tankers caldari are slow bricks.
To kill it solo you buy yourself a rohk. Fit two heavy unstable neuts on it, a warp disruptor, a cap booster, and maybe a warp scrambler. That leaves you with minimal buffer for a bs but its still plenty for defeating an ishtar. Neut the Ishtar until it cant mwd. 1 nuet cycle should be all it takes. MWD after it and sit right on top of it pounding it with blasters, and nueting it until it dies. Its not going to expect that you will fit 2x heavy neuts and will engage you happily right until you get lock, point, and all its cap disapears.
You even lose less money when your nano neut rohk explodes inevitably to something else than the ishtar loses when you blow him away because you have tech 1 insurance.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.01 23:17:00 -
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Quote: Lol why not use a friend? T1 frigate and your drake can go scramble the Ishtar. Dead Ishtar.
This person understands EVE
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MoeJoe Green
Gallente The Black Legionnares Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.02 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Drake, you just need to get him in scram range...
Burn away from him with mwd on, he will mwd after you. When he gets some speed, wait for the end of your mwd cycle, turn around, overheat /mwd, scram and web/, tackle and kill /use em or exp missiles/. But you wont catch good pilot in nano ishtar with drake...
If its arranged 1v1 he can use some sig/ab armor tanking ishtar, so if fight isnt going well shoot his drones .
Why should he MWD after you that close, he will just sit way HAM range with keep at range. he has 57-60KM range on those drones atleast.
My thoughts: (I'm no drake pilot)
Let's assume he's using OgreII's on you.
OgreII's have a max speed of 1050 M/s if i recall at all V's.
My bet would to get as far away as possible while shooting him with Heavy missiles.
When/If his OresII's get to you.
Web and attack his drones with yours. If he then retracts his slow OgreII's. Or you kill one and he has to send a replacment all the way to you. Either way, you should lower his DPS a good amount.
He probably realises at some point your firing HM's and get closer though.
oh, and fit a thermic hardener/rig
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Makeit Happen
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Posted - 2009.12.02 03:33:00 -
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Fairly mixed bag of replies, but that is to be expected in eve :)
The basic recommendations are:
Dont fight it at all, ishtars are good in 1v1. Fight it, ishtars are NOT good in 1v1. Use an EM shooting cerb with buffer tank. Use HM drake with mwd. Use HAM drake with mwd.
In all cases, tank vs thermal?
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Taudia
Gallente Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.12.02 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Makeit Happen Fairly mixed bag of replies, but that is to be expected in eve :)
The basic recommendations are:
Dont fight it at all, ishtars are good in 1v1. Fight it, ishtars are NOT good in 1v1. Use an EM shooting cerb with buffer tank. Use HM drake with mwd. Use HAM drake with mwd.
In all cases, tank vs thermal?
Most pilots will be using Ogres, but personally I would want omnitank, to be able to deal with any backup the enemy gets (or stand a better chance) and to be able to handle other ships better.
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Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes
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Posted - 2009.12.02 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Makeit Happen Fairly mixed bag of replies, but that is to be expected in eve :)
The basic recommendations are:
Dont fight it at all, ishtars are good in 1v1. Fight it, ishtars are NOT good in 1v1. Use an EM shooting cerb with buffer tank. Use HM drake with mwd. Use HAM drake with mwd.
In all cases, tank vs thermal?
Just use your standard omni tank. As though ogre's are heavy hitters, they are SLOW. Some drone pilots prefer a bit more drone speed/tracking, so might go for Beserkers. --------------------------------------------
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.12.02 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 02/12/2009 17:00:28
Originally by: Makeit Happen 1v1, get a friend is not an option.
Lots of views not many replies, so is this just a futile request.
Is the ishtar really that overpowered compared to almost ANY caldari ship, its not worth trying?
Well you can make it an expensive draw for him by killing his drones. A HM Drake can defend itself pretty well vs an Ishtar, good tank, done killing ability and enough damage that can't be tanked long by the Ishtar (use scourge on its drones but havoc on the Ishtar, scourge would only tickle him). What you are unlikely to do is holding him long enough to kill him.
Originally by: Shade Millith
Just use your standard omni tank. Because while ogre's are the heavy hitters, they are SLOW. Some drone pilots prefer a bit more drone speed/tracking, so might go for Beserkers.
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Toraltian2
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Posted - 2009.12.02 17:34:00 -
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If you were daring you might try sicking an ECM drone on each of his sentries once he drops them....If you force him to spend time killing your drones or sitting on his sentries recalling them you'll have a better chance.
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2009.12.02 21:48:00 -
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What about a cruise raven? You can hit him at at a much greater range, you can pop any sentry drones with precision cruises, have a set of light drones for his heavy drones, have no tracking issues, can choose your damage type, and have a truly awesome tank. (Get a crystal implant set for lols, active shield tanks are great for 1v1's)
Down side is you will probably just make him **** off before you kill him, but he sure as hell shouldn't be able to kill you solo.
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.03 04:53:00 -
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I'm a fairly dedicated ishtar pilot and I almost never use Ogres. They are way too slow.
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Morel Nova
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.03 12:04:00 -
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sacrilege does it pretty well Reward small gang/solo pvp!
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Spatiopathe
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Posted - 2009.12.03 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Spatiopathe on 03/12/2009 12:38:56 For kill a drone boat, you must kill the boat, or the drone.
Kill the ishtar is the best idea, but difficult to realise, this ship can actually speed-tank the harder complex, so you should be not stronger, but smarter than a full npc pocket :p ... you need heavy web, may be 2 webifier, and a scrambler.
For the drone, its hard also, but not impossible with web smartbomb and cap booster fit.
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