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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.17 13:55:00 -
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OP what new rules what new volunteers ???? I am obviously missing something here.
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Ocular Shadows
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:04:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Ronald Ray Gun wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I have read the 2 new rules that CCP is adding. No attacks against CCP employees, and no posting rumours on the forums. After looking at your previous posting history I can see why these new rules would upset you. And yet...still NO ONE has answered my question: How does the actual mechanic work?
Your rampant paranoia and pedantic whines are truly painful to read. No organization is going to give users the ability to ban users. Period. I'm sure they can request it just like other forums mods, but a GM will have to review it. They aren't just going to rubber stamp those.
One last thing, the majority of us are too lazy to do anything like this, it sounds too much like real work. Why would we suffer through reading more of the textual turds deposited on these forums than we already do? I know I'd quit within a day of moderating any forum with a fraction of Eve's post counts. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
202
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:11:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:OP what new rules what new volunteers ???? I am obviously missing something here.
CCP has had enough of posters screaming at their devs in forums about questionable game design and questioning whether certain CCP employees' loyalties lie more with specific in-game alliances more than with CCP and Eve.
They are creating a group of volunteer player - moderators called the CCL to "help" GM's track down all these misanthropic posters, and will perma-ban them, plus ALL their accounts, making discourse on the forums a fun, happy place.
Anyone who has an active account can volunteer. From the original thread, it appears a single CCP employee makes the decision on what applicants are worthy. The criteria by which someone will be chosen seems somewhat nebulous, but we are to believe it will be completely fair and CCP will only choose people who are completely "fair and balanced" in their views about Eve, and will leave any in-game political views behind them when they decide if a specific post/poster should be brought to the attention of the GM's, who will them ban that char, and all other char's of that poster, from EVER posting on the Eve forums again.
I am asking to know the PRECISE mechanics of how this will work. Naturally, I am insulted and ridiculed, but no one is answering the question of how this mechanic will work.
I do not expect any of the standard denizens on the forum to know the mechanics. But I would certainly expect there are multiple people online, be them CCP employees or members of the new CCL, who have read these posts, and DO know the mechanics.
Instead of them answering, I have been threatened by people "reporting me for rumour mongering".
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:19:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Simetraz wrote:OP what new rules what new volunteers ???? I am obviously missing something here.
CCP has had enough of posters screaming at their devs in forums about questionable game design and questioning whether certain CCP employees' loyalties lie more with specific in-game alliances more than with CCP and Eve. They are creating a group of volunteer player - moderators called the CCL to "help" GM's track down all these misanthropic posters, and will perma-ban them, plus ALL their accounts, making discourse on the forums a fun, happy place. (edit, I am stating that apparently, only the GM's can ban.) Anyone who has an active account can volunteer. From the original thread, it appears a single CCP employee makes the decision on what applicants are worthy. The criteria by which someone will be chosen seems somewhat nebulous, but we are to believe it will be completely fair and CCP will only choose people who are completely "fair and balanced" in their views about Eve, and will leave any in-game political views behind them when they decide if a specific post/poster should be brought to the attention of the GM's, who will them ban that char, and all other char's of that poster, from EVER posting on the Eve forums again. I am asking to know the PRECISE mechanics of how this will work. Naturally, I am insulted and ridiculed, but no one is answering the question of how this mechanic will work. I do not expect any of the standard denizens on the forum to know the mechanics. But I would certainly expect there are multiple people online, be them CCP employees or members of the new CCL, who have read these posts, and DO know the mechanics. Instead of them answering, I have been threatened by people "reporting me for rumour mongering".
Is there a thread on this or a news report cause this is the first time I heard of this. Generally when you come out with something like this you post the link for reference so people can actually see what you are talking about. EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
202
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:22:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:
Is there a thread on this or a news report cause this is the first time I heard of this. Generally when you come out with something like this you post the link for reference so people can actually see what you are talking about.
Top sticky in these forums:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115431&find=unread
I will have to dig around for the post from CCP that presents the new rules and when they become active. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:25:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Simetraz wrote:
Is there a thread on this or a news report cause this is the first time I heard of this. Generally when you come out with something like this you post the link for reference so people can actually see what you are talking about.
Top sticky in these forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115431&find=unreadI will have to dig around for the post from CCP that presents the new rules and when they become active.
Thank you EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
202
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:26:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Simetraz wrote:
Is there a thread on this or a news report cause this is the first time I heard of this. Generally when you come out with something like this you post the link for reference so people can actually see what you are talking about.
Top sticky in these forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115431&find=unreadI will have to dig around for the post from CCP that presents the new rules and when they become active.
And here are the forum rules. The 2 new ones are at the bottom of the list.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
94
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:26:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: I will have to dig around for the post from CCP that presents the new rules and when they become active.
You should have done that before going off on another one of you paranoid, rumour mongering episodes. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
202
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:30:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: I will have to dig around for the post from CCP that presents the new rules and when they become active.
You should have done that before going off on another one of you paranoid, rumour mongering episodes.
Your timing sucks. Already posted above.
Plus, I HAVE read them. I had no reason to repost the links immediately.
And explain how asking for how a new mechanic is to work is rumour-mongering? |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:43:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Will this post alone get me banned because someone will state it is inflammatory, or it hurts their feelings?
Who precisely will be the detective, judge, jury, and executioner?
Will it be the new eager "volunteers" that CCP is looking for? And who precisely will these new forum police be? I think it would be very enlightening once they are all hired to see EXACTLY what corp/alliance they belong to. I am reasonably certain that a certain 9000 char alliance might, just might, be flooding CCP with apps. But CCP will never give that info out.
Also, will these folks be going back and retroactively start permabanning accounts for comments made last week, last month ,or last year??
Based on what I am reading the moderators can moderate the forums and that is it. I would have to presume all Bans and punishments would have to go through and actual CCP employee
These volunteer positions are to help sort out and clean up the forums and get information to CCP and the players when it is needed. I don't see anything terrible about this, if some start abusing it, it will be a 10 second fix. Keep in mind they are not CCP employee's, so as stated the powers will be VERY small.
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:09:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Simetraz wrote:
Is there a thread on this or a news report cause this is the first time I heard of this. Generally when you come out with something like this you post the link for reference so people can actually see what you are talking about.
Top sticky in these forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115431&find=unreadI will have to dig around for the post from CCP that presents the new rules and when they become active.
From that link:
this thread will remain open to answer any questions you might have.
Wouldn't it make sense to ask in that thread instead then? |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
106
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:38:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I do not expect any of the standard denizens on the forum to know the mechanics. But I would certainly expect there are multiple people online, be them CCP employees or members of the new CCL, who have read these posts, and DO know the mechanics.
Instead of them answering, I have been threatened by people "reporting me for rumour mongering".
Is it possible, just possible, that the standard denizens on the forum don't care about the mechanics? Is it possible, perhaps, that there is in fact a stickied thread at the top of this forum for the purposes of asking these questions? Is it also possible that you may have other means of having your questions or concerns addressed such as a petition?
You don't expect the standard denizens on the forums to know the mechanics but you created a thread to ask us anyway. Isn't that kind of dumb and just asking for trouble?
It seems to me that truth behind your thread is to point at a process being implemented and then citing a specific alliance, not by name of course because that would be crossing the line, and sowing seeds of mistrust and discontent. What is your motive for doing that?
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Rene Fullchest
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
31
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:40:00 -
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My hemorrhoids are inflammatory - will that get me banned? |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:47:00 -
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Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
648
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:51:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors.
Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat.
Freedom of expression does not be freedom to be a idiot. Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:53:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat. Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to be a idiot.
Apparently forum humor is a dead art. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
648
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:56:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat. Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to be a idiot. Apparently forum humor is a dead art.
Recognised, hence why "don't be daft". Maybe I should have added please?
Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2012.06.17 15:59:00 -
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Actually i probably don't really know what daft means, I felt insulted. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
648
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:05:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:Actually i probably don't really know what daft means, I felt insulted.
Given the context and gravity of the situations involved and how it has made CCP changes rulings (hopefully for the betterment fo posting), I'm kind of saying it's a bit irresponsible to potentially aggrevate the situation purley for "shiggles"?
Though having to explain the above makes me feel slightly patronising, but I didnt really mean it as derogatory at all. Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:06:00 -
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No, I looked it up, not what I thought it meant. But interestingly enough, I did feel insulted at first, perhaps I could have gotten you banned! You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
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Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
648
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:12:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:No, I looked it up, not what I thought it meant. But interestingly enough, I did feel insulted at first, perhaps I could have gotten you banned!
Maybe so? Maybe you should report me purely as a test of the new rulings just to be sure of the situation? Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:16:00 -
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No, because I'm sure it would work. Someone reported me for sending an obviously not serious nigerian prince ingame mail just to see what would happen, and I got a warning, leading me to believe no one bothered reading it, which saddens me. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
648
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:27:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:No, because I'm sure it would work. Someone reported me for sending an obviously not serious nigerian prince ingame mail just to see what would happen, and I got a warning, leading me to believe no one bothered reading it, which saddens me.
Seems to be a pattern emerging. Maybe adjusting to use a more direct approach in context perhaps to discuss the subject material then that concerned you? It might make things more easy to understand than applying cryptic games? Realise that might not be the most "fun" way of doing it for you, but prinicpally it kind of helps the other party understand what your on about in theory. And doesn't leave them second guessing your orginal intent?
In short I think CCP are kind of asking people to work with them to improve EVE.
But its a fair comment we don't want to lose creativity or "out of the box" thinking in that process. Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:31:00 -
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You have a point, though I think its odd in a game where everyone is supposedly smarter than all the other MMO players that things have to be spelled out for them. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
648
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Posted - 2012.06.17 16:37:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:You have a point, though I think its odd in a game where everyone is supposedly smarter than all the other MMO players that things have to be spelled out for them.
Well thats a professionalism debate really when it comes to the relationship with CCP. As such I'm no longer the best person to ask official questons about most effective communications with them. Kind of thinking that the being clear and co-operative methodology might prove results however.
Guess I need to qualify that being co-operative doesnt mean being subserviant. Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Rene Fullchest
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
31
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Posted - 2012.06.17 21:52:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat. Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to be an idiot about it.
There may be a marked difference, but where that mark lies is almost universally different for each individual.
Also, Freedom of Expression does, in fact, include the freedom to be an idiot. (see American Tea Party in current context).
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Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
650
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Posted - 2012.06.17 23:06:00 -
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Rene Fullchest wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat. Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to be an idiot about it. There may be a marked difference, but where that mark lies is almost universally different for each individual. Also, Freedom of Expression does, in fact, include the freedom to be an idiot. (see American Tea Party in current context).
Why did it have to turn into an "Amercian" rights issue?
Put into context for you then and purely as an example to entertain the diversion, does freedom of expression allow you to incite someone to enact a crime? Would this be viewed by you as idiotic to try? Bounty Hunting, Soon Gäó
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
638
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Posted - 2012.06.18 10:36:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Will this post alone get me banned because someone will state it is inflammatory, or it hurts their feelings?
Who precisely will be the detective, judge, jury, and executioner?
Will it be the new eager "volunteers" that CCP is looking for? And who precisely will these new forum police be? I think it would be very enlightening once they are all hired to see EXACTLY what corp/alliance they belong to. I am reasonably certain that a certain 9000 char alliance might, just might, be flooding CCP with apps. But CCP will never give that info out.
Also, will these folks be going back and retroactively start permabanning accounts for comments made last week, last month ,or last year?? Bottom line is, it wont work, people will see a post by sumone they hate or from an alliance they hate and will cite a stupid reason to lock the post and when that person reposts it because he is angry he will then receive a forum ban. The forums will die off and eve will suffer. Aslong as CCP continue to think the answer is in the player base and not themselves, any idea on this scale will fail. CCP need to stop this *we dont interfere crap* and start sorting there game out instead of being cowards and *worrying* about people who will nerd rage and quit cause there fav tool no longer works CCP is doooooooooommmmmmeeeeeeeddddd
You're assuming that the only posters are those that rage and conduct personal attacks. Frankly, there are many posters who don't engage in such treatment of other posters, myself included. I think it's a good move but, we'll see. Typical innocent trolling might suffer..........*sniff*
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
565
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Posted - 2012.06.18 10:56:00 -
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Op's answer can be easily had and not this way since CCP NEVER discusses moderation (why/how/when/howlong/who) on the forums. So, all the OP has to do is file a petition and wait. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1518
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Posted - 2012.06.18 11:08:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Will this post alone get me banned because someone will state it is inflammatory, or it hurts their feelings?
Who precisely will be the detective, judge, jury, and executioner?
Will it be the new eager "volunteers" that CCP is looking for? And who precisely will these new forum police be? I think it would be very enlightening once they are all hired to see EXACTLY what corp/alliance they belong to. [/b]
As stated in this dev blog, ISD volunteers do not have the ability to issue warnings or bans. As always, these measures are taken by the EVE community team (and we do not take them lightly).
While we, first and foremost, look at posts reported to us by other players, we evaluate each case on an individual basis and take action accordingly. Before posting, please make sure you are familiar with the forum rules, use common sense and be polite and no harm should come to you.
Finally, if you have a problem with forum moderation or think an action against you was taken unjustly, please file a petition and the community team will investigate. CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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