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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2340
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:54:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: ... which is pretty much exactly what I said. I'm glad we agree.
What we disagree over is that the 1.1 change is in any way shape or form a positive progression on 1.0.
Ranger 1 wrote:These changes are a good first step, but there still needs to be iteration. As has been already pointed out there will be more tools inbound for tracking the record of and hiring of merc corps. These are necessary, as well as "victory conditions" as I (and then subsequently you) have already pointed out... but you have to start somewhere.
You do, but not by completely nerfing the defender's ability to defend in wars against a much larger opponent with any kind of financial equivilence. This change should really have gone back for internal review until such time they found a way to properly iterate on the wardec system because as it stands it does nothing for the merc industry, and everything to the advantage of large alliances wishing to involve themselves in consequence-free wardecs.
Ranger 1 wrote:Empowering the "privateers" of the EVE universe is not it... although the foolish will undoubtedly hire free rubish to fight for them. A culture needs to develop in the merc market where "you get what you pay for", but that isn't going to happen overnight. The groundwork needs to be laid first and be in effect for a while to become established.
Well but the 1.1 patches lays no groundwork whatsoever, it simply rips up the foundation of 1.0 and hides the consequence of this behind a spurious "eve isn't fair" figleaf without answering any of the questions the player base has raised.
Ranger 1 wrote:I understand that it steals a bit of your thunder, your move was actually very well executed under the original set of revisions (it was the smartest thing you could have done, all things considered). But it also served to very clearly point out to CCP that the EVE player base was indeed smart enough to take advantage and twist the system to suit their own needs, and that it would be necessary to take at least some of the additional steps they had already been considering.
Well there is a lot of discussion over whether this actually had anything to do with my "move" or not. Personally I think it is more likely to have been in reaction to the Honda Accord/Goomwarm/Test wardec thing that happened 3 weeks before. But really now, is Eve becoming a game where if the player base discovers ways to find methods of gaming systems effectively those methods should be removed? - I thought we were living in an emergent gaming sandbox where finding ways to bring Jita to a standstill with organized tornado/thrasher gankfieets are the order of the day.
This is the essential issue really that makes people wonder where the motivation for these changes came from.
It does look like its one law for the large 0.0 alliances and one law for everyone else.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2341
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:59:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:No more Jade Constantine tinfoil hat responses? Weaselior wrote:He's denied it repeatedly before, but keeps forgetting about the webarchive link. Once that comes out he stops denying it for a while and getting all quiet-like but in about a month he'll start denying it again. Ah, that would explain it. He cried wolf too loudly so now he has gone to hide in his digital ***** house chat channel and have his wounds licked by his sycophantic, hat wearing fanboi's.
I'm not exactly sure what your accusation is here?
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1777
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:02:00 -
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If the Goons are calling for an end to dogpiling on wardecs, it's the same thing I've been saying SINCE BEFORE INFERNO WAS LAUNCHED. Unlimited free allies = bad for warfare.
Force defenders to be selective in their allies. It's not an unreasonable thing.
edit: I'm also opposed to the mechanic where massive alliances can wardec 2-man corps for cheap, but not the other way around. The war should cost the same regardless of which is the aggressor.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1081
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:02:00 -
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god above don't call him a paedophile |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
904
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:03:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:If the Goons are calling for an end to dogpiling on wardecs
Not even. That's the funny part.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:04:00 -
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It's amazing how many times jade has been laughed at over his accusation that any 0.0 alliance would care about wardecs, and npc freighters explained to him, yet it's made no impression whatsoever. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1777
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:04:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:If the Goons are calling for an end to dogpiling on wardecs Not even. That's the funny part.
I know this and you know this, but sometimes you just have to give up on one argument and present another.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2341
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:05:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:If the Goons are calling for an end to dogpiling on wardecs Not even. That's the funny part.
So who was calling for an end to dogpiling on large alliance wardecs really ?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:06:00 -
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my favorite part was when he stated it was obvious goonswarm leadership was actually terrified of his hilariously dumb plan and as a member of goonswarm leadership i was of course extremely interested in what i was afraid of, and because of that he knows we batphoned ccp
jade's response was "well clearly you're afraid because you batphoned ccp"
he couldn't even come up with a vaugely plausible reason why we would care, just "well you must have batphoned because it was hurting you, i know it was hurting you because you batphoned" |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2345
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:07:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:It's amazing how many times jade has been laughed at over his accusation that any 0.0 alliance would care about wardecs, and npc freighters explained to him, yet it's made no impression whatsoever.
Funny thing is its only really been 0.0 alliance pilots who have been doing "the laughing" (but nobody really believes them).
All we have to judge the reality of the situation is that tomorrow the mechanic is being nerfed into oblivion and 0.0 will not have to worry about it ever again.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:07:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:If the Goons are calling for an end to dogpiling on wardecs Not even. That's the funny part. So who was calling for an end to dogpiling on large alliance wardecs really ?
you were actually given a direct answer to this question repeatedly and ignored it because it didn't fit into your narrative
i would post it again but we all know what trying the same thing and expecting different results is |
dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:08:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:So who was calling for an end to dogpiling on large alliance wardecs really ?
As the ultimate originator of this hilariously stupid shitstorm, why don`t you tell us. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:08:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Weaselior wrote:It's amazing how many times jade has been laughed at over his accusation that any 0.0 alliance would care about wardecs, and npc freighters explained to him, yet it's made no impression whatsoever. Funny thing is its only really been 0.0 alliance pilots who have been doing "the laughing" (but nobody really believes them). All we have to judge the reality of the situation is that tomorrow the mechanic is being nerfed into oblivion and 0.0 will not have to worry about it ever again.
actually what the rest of us have to judge the situation with is logic facts and reasoning
not "well you must have batphoned because it was hurting you, i know it was hurting you because you batphoned" I GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW
the fact you can't come up with even a vaugely plausible reason makes it clear your argument is nonsense to anyone armed with logic facts and reasoning |
dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:10:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: and 0.0 will not have to worry about it ever again.
For the latest of an uncountable number of times: they never did in the first place, ever.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:10:00 -
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dontbanmebro wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: and 0.0 will not have to worry about it ever again. For the latest of an uncountable number of times: they never did in the first place, ever.
we know they did because they batphoned ccp
and we know they batphoned ccp because they cared |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1081
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:11:00 -
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does jade really think we use in-alliance freighters?
whoa |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2345
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:12:00 -
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dontbanmebro wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:So who was calling for an end to dogpiling on large alliance wardecs really ? As the ultimate originator of this hilariously stupid shitstorm, why don`t you tell us.
Well the only people prepared to admit in public they wanted the 1.1 changes would appear to be BFF people on the wardec team. (well and Keldun of Eve Univsersity) I suggest you listen to the Crossing Zebra's podcast (ep six) to get a view of what the rest of the CSM thought of this specific 1.1 change.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1406
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:12:00 -
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I'm out of popcorn. Oh and nerf Goons. |
dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:14:00 -
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I guess this is why you shouldn`t write out walls of ridiculously tinfoil sperg in the first place, because then you have to defend it to the point of blatant inanity...
Oh wait, you don`t. You actual look dumber continuing to argue than just admitting you went a little spergo and made a mistake. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:14:00 -
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i notice jade has once again lied about the CSM by trying to claim they did not oppose the 1.0 situation, and confuse their advocacy for different systems that fixed the problem as opposing a fix to the problem
it is especially hilarious he smears the merc csm by claiming the merc csm agrees with him when the merc csm disagrees with the change because he wants one thats much more severe |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3480
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:15:00 -
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the CSM, of course, has repeatedly expressed their displeasure with Jade and his craziness and corrected the record more times than I can count, yet made no impression either |
Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:15:00 -
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Holy **** this exploded into full ****** while I was gone. I'm not sure who's dumber, Jade, or the Black Sun ******. |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:17:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
All we have to judge the reality of the situation is that tomorrow the mechanic is being nerfed into oblivion and 0.0 will not have to worry about it ever again.
0.0, worrying about wardecs.
Jade, you don't actually engage any arguments, you just make vague mumblings. This is arguing in bad faith, and why it's more constructive to just laugh at you - your entire argument consists of 'I was exploiting a new mechanic to the fullest extent the system allowed, and CCP changed the rules because of the overall results of exploitation of this mechanic'.
It's extremely egotistical to think this is all about you and your grievances. Posting repeatedly despite a complete lack of evidence, and anyone knows anything refuting your claims makes you look bad. About the only thing we can agree on is that goons who don't use neutral alts in high sec are dumb, and you acknowledge that at best you're killing off newbies and people who deserve to die anyway.
So, I'll stick to enjoying your past exploits, and watching you continue to spew your conspiracy theories. |
dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:i notice jade has once again lied about the CSM by trying to claim they did not oppose the 1.0 situation, and confuse their advocacy for different systems that fixed the problem as opposing a fix to the problem
it is especially hilarious he smears the merc csm by claiming the merc csm agrees with him when the merc csm disagrees with the change because he wants one thats much more severe
It would be doubly damning, then, if the chair of the csm actually posted decrying Jade`s claims as ridiculous and directly controvertible by verifiable facts.
Oh wait...again...
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:18:00 -
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Arrgthepirate wrote:Holy **** this exploded into full ****** while I was gone. I'm not sure who's dumber, Jade, or the Black Sun ******.
I vote checkbox. |
Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:19:00 -
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Arrgthepirate wrote:Holy **** this exploded into full ****** while I was gone. I'm not sure who's dumber, Jade, or the Black Sun ******.
You missed nothing, bro. It's the same god damn idiocy that's been going on for the last month.
Jade Constantine, self-made space harlot. News at 11.
http://bit.ly/LTW5gW |
Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:20:00 -
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Jade: 0.0 is scared of wardecs
0.0: No, we have neutral alts, a jump freighter is literally a grain of sand on the beach to us
Jade: YES YOU ARE YES YOU ARE YES YOU ARE
0.0: .....
I think anyone who can finally get through to Jade should go become a real live special ed teacher. |
Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:21:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Arrgthepirate wrote:Holy **** this exploded into full ****** while I was gone. I'm not sure who's dumber, Jade, or the Black Sun ******. I vote checkbox.
Checkbox is always the best way to vote |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2345
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:22:00 -
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dontbanmebro wrote:Weaselior wrote:i notice jade has once again lied about the CSM by trying to claim they did not oppose the 1.0 situation, and confuse their advocacy for different systems that fixed the problem as opposing a fix to the problem
it is especially hilarious he smears the merc csm by claiming the merc csm agrees with him when the merc csm disagrees with the change because he wants one thats much more severe It would be doubly damning, then, if the chair of the csm actually posted decrying Jade`s claims as ridiculous and directly controvertible by verifiable facts. Oh wait...again...
Hmmm, I just read an interesting article about the chair of the CSM (and two step) over on lost in Eve.
Linked from the discussion a pod cast there Two step has a nice little talk about wardec changes (around the 45.00 and 50.30 marks)
Still I'd advise people to go over and have a read, have a listen - and make up your own minds.
http://www.lostineve.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=93
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3482
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:24:00 -
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"ignore, of course, all the times the CSM directly replied to me and contradicted things I said, over and over, on these very forums" - jade |
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