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mari essence
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Posted - 2009.12.03 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: mari essence on 03/12/2009 18:58:30 PREFACE Okay so i got angry at CCP for changing the rules of the game. True it is there game. And i have no right to do anything really. But when joined eve i liked it for a number of reasons.
1. older player base 2. never ending, as in WOW(never played for these reason's) lvl 70 game over and kiddie design. 3. a specialize charater could beat and older charater in eve or right ship and fit like chess. 4. vast world 5. unique player from all over the world. 6. support forum, petitions, CSM, fix's ect..
Well the reason im mad is i feel that CCP is making it easy to play the game. im not talking about teaching new players how to play thats great. I'm talking about the skills. They are killing older players that worked so hard to get where there at.
This was my mad petition to CCP. i know everyone is going to troll and flame this but i still feel i should post it. because alot of other players expressed my same concerns in diffrent ways. I know older players then me are more ****ed. and i know i could of went about it nicer, but thats not important here, tell me what you think of the issues.
RULES Ohh plese don't trolll it by picking each sentance apart and making a comment. The people that do this never suggest anything. i think they et off on it. But are to affraid them self's to get critisized that they don't ever suggest soulutions.
So bring on the barbaque. I love reading it esp. people that do the above ohh how much time the forum trolls waste. which they will i lured them in by saying Please don't LOL
PETIOTION COMING soon below
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mari essence
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Posted - 2009.12.03 19:05:00 -
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Sorry im very angry and so are alot of other people i talked to.
Its about droping thermal dynamics down from LVL 5 engry emission's to LVL 4. I just wasted 17Day for a crappy skill and so did a ton of people before me. i did it right before the patch for the patch which makes me more ****ed.
why don't you just drop titan to 5 days and give everyone one when they start.
Instead you should fix, that it takes less time to to fly a tech three command ship which is better then any command ship out there. And same for logistics tech three are better. And what good is a blackops ship anymore? waste of time and isk go get a few carriar's instead. infact most people can fly a carriar sooner!
thats 17 days i could of used on gay guns to tech II since there not like Missles are, too get tech II's. another FAIL
I play eve because it took time to achive things. and not everyone could be good at everything way to lower the bar. Your going to see about a 90% increase in the number of people over heating there mods since dominion. every pilot and his mother will be able to do it. most people didn't train it before because it took to long. so it gave an edge to those that did.
Last thing is, having a skill que should be learned or earned. i remember waking up in the middle of the night to change skill's and missing a month i payed for, because i got rapidly deployed (miltary). So i think for the first two weeks they should have to live without it to get a taste of what we older players have had too endured.
A POSTIVE Hey the ship descriptions in the patch notes. IE what there to be used/role for when talking about factional ships. Should be added to everyship in eve in there description.
P.S. Aready ****ed from falcon nerf. blackbird is just as good and cheaper by a long shot.
If you want to make unige make each ship have a bonus for the more you fly it, or kills you get in it. improve something about the ship. Hell that would get people to grind and play longer to max out a ship. it would make specializing and flying a ship better. have a mod that converts two slots mids-into one high. or the other way.
You stripped eve of its charater's indvidulity when you started all pilots at sratch i know the reason i picked my pilot was my starting skills. NOT MY RACE OR LOOK. I don't like them, you made it easy to fix skills. so now, the reason that i picked my charater dosen't matter. I share no common ground with pilots who now pick my same blood line anymore. since anyone can be anything.
CCP needs to stop worring about a profit and more about its player's and game. IF someone ever gets maxed skills let me know and i will quit. EVE will be another WOW (which i never have played because it has an end LVL 70 game over. i hear they moved it to 80 now)
I liked it because you could become a badass in a niche and beat an older pilot. or counter his ship. if everyone one can do everything or its easyer. then i want all qweens on my chess board. T3's for high and CAP's for low. no need to fly anyother ship you'll get pwned.
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Dex Timor
Forza Di Colpo
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Posted - 2009.12.03 21:53:00 -
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I can sympathize with your post. I trained archaeology and hacking back in 2006 when I was a noob and the skill prerequisite was science level 5. CCP dropped it to 3. I was slightly annoyed the first time I read that in a devblog.
On the other hand new players need a chance to keep up with 2,4,6 year old vets. I remember that the initial skill-points you got on character creation got bosted from (500k ? in 2005) to 800k. That's a good thing. I heard from 2003 vets, that tech 1 battleships used to be very expensive in relative terms back then. There were less opportunities to make money and those ships were the biggest stuff you could get. Nowadays battleships are common and quite cheap.
I certainly would want my "noob" corp members to have a chance to close the gap in some skills, provided of course that they specialize. Nothing is more annoying when you ask a "noob" to fit a MWD and he can't use one. But of course you're right, that vets should always stay ahead of the younger characters. (On that note: It's also annoying to have trained torpedoes when they used to be long-range, just before they got switched to very short range. Having trained cruise missiles for stealth bombers right before stealth bombers got changed to torpedo launching platforms. ...)
One thing I totally disagree with you, because I see it from a different angle.
Originally by: mari essence
You stripped eve of its charater's indvidulity when you started all pilots at sratch i know the reason i picked my pilot was my starting skills. NOT MY RACE OR LOOK. I don't like them, you made it easy to fix skills. so now, the reason that i picked my charater dosen't matter. I share no common ground with pilots who now pick my same blood line anymore. since anyone can be anything.
I chose my character because of his race's backstory and blood-line description. I'm almost a role-player. I think that having to chose a race just because it will allow you to be the best trader / miner / fighter was the worst thing that CCP had done to the whole RP community. So I'm very glad that this was dropped.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.04 07:29:00 -
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My german is a little rusty but shouldn't it be 'das troll' ?
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Jordan Doe
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Posted - 2009.12.04 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz My german is a little rusty but shouldn't it be 'das troll' ?
No, 'der Troll' would be correct. But I figured it reads 'Dear great troll' maybe?
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Velocity Prime
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.12.04 16:17:00 -
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HTFU?
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Uronksur Suth
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Posted - 2009.12.05 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: mari essence
Sorry im very angry and so are alot of other people i talked to.
Good for them. My favorite was this one.
Originally by: mari essence
CCP needs to stop worring about a profit and more about its player's and game. IF someone ever gets maxed skills let me know and i will quit. EVE will be another WOW (which i never have played because it has an end LVL 70 game over. i hear they moved it to 80 now)
Seriously, none of these amount to more then whines because CCP isn't keeping the game static, which means that newer players can actually compete with the older ones.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: mari essence Edited by: mari essence on 03/12/2009 19:08:49 Sorry im very angry and so are alot of other people i talked to.
Its about droping thermal dynamics down from LVL 5 engry emission's to LVL 4. I just wasted 17Day for a crappy skill and so did a ton of people before me. i did it right before the patch for the patch which makes me more ****ed.
I wasn't supposed to do this right, oh well, it is Energy Managment from 5 to 3 to get Thermodynamics, which is a good skill to have not a waste in any sense.
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Ancy Denaries
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:37:00 -
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I quite frankly don't understand this whine. Energy Management V is a GREAT skill to have! Cap is your lifeblood, and having more of it is NEVER bad. Now...survey 5 on the other hand... ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard |
GoGo Rens
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Posted - 2009.12.24 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: mari essence Edited by: mari essence on 03/12/2009 19:08:49
Instead you should fix, that it takes less time to to fly a tech three command ship which is better then any command ship out there.
tech 3 command ship? did i miss something? what is a tech 3 command ship?
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VCBee 2fast2furious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.29 14:51:00 -
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op is a ridiculous lil cryin babby
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Omega Flames
Caldari Last Resort Inn SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:02:00 -
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Quote: Its about droping thermal dynamics down from LVL 5 engry emission's to LVL 4. I just wasted 17Day for a crappy skill and so did a ton of people before me. i did it right before the patch for the patch which makes me more ****ed.
Maybe it has nothing to do with it being easier for new players to obtain but rather something they decided should be easier to obtain for everyone, not just new players. It's called balancing game dynamics. Has absolutely nothing to do with older or newer players. And btw that skill your complaining about having taken to lv5 still has a benefit to you for being lv5. If the old requirement had you taking Battleship Construction to lv5 which is useless past lv1 iirc, then I would completely agree with you that you got shafted but energy management 5 gives you benefits (and to the other guy complaining about survey 5 so does it). ------------------------- "Forsys > WAR Forsys > HUH Forsys > WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR Harry Sunday > loot Forsys > touchT" |
Jin Leegai
LaughingGirls.jpg Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.12 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: VCBee 2fast2furious op is a ridiculous lil cryin babby
Go to your room son, adults are talking.
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T'aanah Muhtahbi
Minmatar The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.01.22 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: GoGo Rens Edited by: GoGo Rens on 24/12/2009 10:41:08 Instead you should fix, that it takes less time to to fly a tech three command ship which is better then any command ship out there.
tech 3 command ship? did i miss something? what is a tech 3 command ship?
A Loki set up correctly has a higher fleet boost than a Claymore, can warp cloaked, is immune to bubbles and is immune to scan probes. All races have similar setups possible on the tech 3's.
Even maxing all sub systems to 5, it is faster to be in this that it is to train battle cruisers 5 and logistics 4. (not that those are bad / dumb skills to have)
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IcarusNardella
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Posted - 2010.02.08 06:35:00 -
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Good rant. I share some of your sentiment but I often find comfort knowing that CCP really care about their game and listen to the players. I often feel like I don't even need to speak up because others will. Thanks for speaking up!
I hope you continue to play EVE and learn to appreciate how awesome it is.
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Pluton Hazmat
Nitro Corp Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.09 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Flames
Quote: Its about droping thermal dynamics down from LVL 5 engry emission's to LVL 4. I just wasted 17Day for a crappy skill and so did a ton of people before me. i did it right before the patch for the patch which makes me more ****ed.
Maybe it has nothing to do with it being easier for new players to obtain but rather something they decided should be easier to obtain for everyone, not just new players. It's called balancing game dynamics. Has absolutely nothing to do with older or newer players. And btw that skill your complaining about having taken to lv5 still has a benefit to you for being lv5. If the old requirement had you taking Battleship Construction to lv5 which is useless past lv1 iirc, then I would completely agree with you that you got shafted but energy management 5 gives you benefits (and to the other guy complaining about survey 5 so does it).
Unfortunately, many EVE players seem to have developed a strange disorder that I ofter refer to as "sandbox veteran syndrome" - simply put, the "balancing" and "down-scaling" of skills in this particular game are often seen by veteran players (particularly those of us from 03-05) as attempts to placate newer players who complain about both the training and learning curves associated with EVE, but let's face it - balancing is something that every mmo goes through and we'll probably see a lot more of it here. No one in WoW has complained that Blizzard has made the leveling process faster, provided more end-game treats to new players as time has gone on (mounts now available at level 20), and so on, primarily because WoW veterans use these new features to train their own new characters. But EVE isn't like that - your main (if it has been your main since you started playing) is usually your only active main and the toon's reputation, performance, political associations and buddy list have far more meaning and impact than they do in a game where you can change your name, race, faction and server for a few bucks in between mindlessly grinding for better gear.
So I do understand some of the frustration, however...
I have absolutely no issue with training a specific skill at 5, then finding out that the same new skills can be unlocked at 3. Why would I? No, I did not waste my time training that skill to 5, because I have a 5, whereas someone new will only have 3 and will probably never train beyond that, thus decreasing their overall effectiveness down the road. No level 5 skill is ever "wasted". In fact, only training skills to the bare minimum required to unlock new skills is one of the worst things you can do, because you can fly T2 subcaps with level 1-3 skills ... but I wouldn't recommend it. Same goes for everything scientific and industrial, because fractional numerical advantages are what EVE is really all about. If EVE wasn't about fractional advantages, loadouts wouldn't be the primary topic of discussion between players approximately 50% of the time and no one would bother with implants or boosters or even expensive faction and T2 modules. |
oolk
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:00:00 -
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Agreed,being able to use the module (lvl3) and using it excessively well (lvl5) is 2 different things.
Younger players have way more skills to lvl up then us with 100 lvl5 skills already trained...that change just give them the opportunity to try difefrent facets of the game and perhaps choose a new profession. (speccing).
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.27 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tellenta on 27/02/2010 02:26:53
Originally by: Velocity Prime HTFU?
More like STFU
S is for soften... silly similar acronyms.
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Penny Pancakes
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Posted - 2010.03.26 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Penny Pancakes on 26/03/2010 12:02:27
Originally by: VCBee 2fast2furious op is a ridiculous lil cryin babby
This.
There is nothing wrong with making players "able" to play the game along or against vets in a more decent amount of time.
What is the OP worried about? If you played EVE for 4 years already, you are *WAAAAY* ahead and you won't be competed by a noob - except you act noobish, but that's not the problem of the skills.
Grow up and let others play too. Otherwise, go play an offline game or neopets - that doesn't end as well.
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