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Sara Bonnaro
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.03 19:28:00 -
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Copied out from The Scope:
Having secured a convincing majority of 58.7% of all votes cast in the December 1st election and easily gaining the required number of districts, Jacus Roden is now President-elect of the Gallente Federation. With votes from all participating districts checked and tallied by the morning after polling day, the Federal Elections Commission was able to declare Roden the outright winner in its formal communication of results to the Gallente Senate.
President-elect Roden ran on a broad-based and relatively simple platform that included pledges to root out corruption in government, improve strained relations with the Minmatar Republic, reform the Gallente Navy, and include capsuleers more closely in the war effort. His most pointed campaign pledge, however, was his promise to recover Caldari Prime and restore Federation control throughout the Luminaire system. Polling evidence suggests that many citizens consider the Luminaire situation to be an "open wound," citing corrupt and incompetent political and military leadership. His comfortable majority indicates the success of his campaign in playing to these concerns among the electorate.
Roden's closest challenger for the presidency was Governor Celes Aguard of the Mies system, who polled 31.2% of the vote. Governor Aguard personally transmitted her concession to Jacus Roden this morning and pledged her support for "all policies of the Presidency that uphold the interests of the entire Federation." Some analysts believe that the votes of many frontier worlds excluded from the election process due to the "No Vote" law may have significantly increased Aguard's share of the vote and denied Roden an outright majority. Others have noted that the endorsement of her campaign by Admiral Darien Fasio appears to have had a negative effect on Governor Aguard's poll ratings, suggesting that Fasio's hardline militarist image resonated poorly with some sections of the governor's electoral base.
The other significant challenger, after Fasio's withdrawal from the race, was Senator Vilard Garioss of the Nexus constellation. Senator Garioss polled 8.8% of the vote. According to polls and focus groups, Garioss's campaign never quite recovered from what many citizens perceived as a confused and "overly academic" platform. Senator Garioss issued a brief statement conceding defeat shortly after Governor Aguard made her concession.
The remaining 1.3% of votes cast were accounted for by votes for protest candidates and spoiled ballots.
President-elect Roden will assume office at his inauguration before the Gallente Senate, following the formal relinquishment of power by President Souro Foiritan.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.03 19:38:00 -
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I called it, Seriphyn. Capitalism in action.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.03 19:46:00 -
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An unconstitutional government. An unconstitutional president.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.03 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sara Bonnaro His most pointed campaign pledge, however, was his promise to recover Caldari Prime and restore Federation control throughout the Luminaire system. Polling evidence suggests that many citizens consider the Luminaire situation to be an "open wound," citing corrupt and incompetent political and military leadership.
So, he doesn't care about occupied Placid, Essence, and Verge Vendor?
Does this indicate he intends to recognize the development rights of the Caldari corporations there?
An attempt to reoccupy Caldari Prime will likely result in Luminaire becoming a full on war zone along with the surrounding constellations: Crux, Caldari Border Zone, Osnins, Disier, etc.
The State recognizes the capability of a full operational Federal Navy, it is clearly not a force to be dealt with lightly; but do not underestimate the State's ability to make the Federation's heart glow with the fires of war should it decide to attempt the invasion and occupation of of Caldari Prime.
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Odilon Raennere
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Posted - 2009.12.03 21:04:00 -
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An industrialist in office. This could be profitable.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.12.03 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn I called it, Seriphyn. Capitalism in action.
I think we all saw this coming once the No Vote bill got passed. Democracy in action. If you don't like the way people vote, take away their right to vote... damned flimsy pretext as well.
Originally by: Dex Nederland
An attempt to reoccupy Caldari Prime will likely result in Luminaire becoming a full on war zone along with the surrounding constellations: Crux, Caldari Border Zone, Osnins, Disier, etc.
Don't worry, I'm sure it's just a meaningless campaign promise.
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Jianni Sotaku
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.03 21:22:00 -
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Oh dear, this is... Disastrous. -------
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.03 21:53:00 -
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At least he is more cunning than Foiritan, who I consider completely incompetent, but I had rather seen a different outcome. I'll reserve further judgement for a later time, as it is hard to say more until we have seen his actions on the long term.
For now, I am happier where I reside currently, far away from the Federation. ---
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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2009.12.03 22:02:00 -
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On behalf of Strix Armaments and Defence, I would like to extend congratulations to President-elect Jacus Roden on his victory and a productive term in the office of President of the Gallente Federation. |
Esna Pitoojee
Amarr TalCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.03 22:24:00 -
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Roden has taken over the nation probably in the worst position out of any (except perhaps the Jove, and who knows how they organize their government).
Barring some sort of new superweapon being deployed by the Gallente or intervention by outside forces, the campaign to retake Gallente space - including Caldari Prime - will be an incredibly long and bloody one. I know many capsuleers who would hesitate or refuse to take on such a job, let alone the unhappy citizens Roden will have to deal with if the Gallente manage to recover lost space.
You have to give the man credit for being willing to take on that task. ----------------------------------------------
Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you.
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khendro
Caldari Wandering Provocateurs
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Posted - 2009.12.03 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Sara Bonnaro His most pointed campaign pledge, however, was his promise to recover Caldari Prime and restore Federation control throughout the Luminaire system. Polling evidence suggests that many citizens consider the Luminaire situation to be an "open wound," citing corrupt and incompetent political and military leadership.
So, he doesn't care about occupied Placid, Essence, and Verge Vendor?
Does this indicate he intends to recognize the development rights of the Caldari corporations there?
An attempt to reoccupy Caldari Prime will likely result in Luminaire becoming a full on war zone along with the surrounding constellations: Crux, Caldari Border Zone, Osnins, Disier, etc.
The State recognizes the capability of a full operational Federal Navy, it is clearly not a force to be dealt with lightly; but do not underestimate the State's ability to make the Federation's heart glow with the fires of war should it decide to attempt the invasion and occupation of of Caldari Prime.
What use does it have at trying to retake the occupied Gallente systems, if the enemy still got a base of operations in the heart of your empire? First deal with Caldari Prime, then the Gallente Federation can focus its efforts on the other systems.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.03 22:45:00 -
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Can't say I'm surprised at the results, but I am surprised at Roden's promise to retake Caldari Prime. I'm of the opinion that the State is ready and able to keep Caldari Prime in any way they can. As it stands this means a titan in Luminaire. If the Federation plans to remove this titan then the State will likely stop at nothing to prove what a very, very bad idea this is.
The federation Navy is powerful, yes, but I doubt that it would be able to stop the State's fleet from occupying every system between Luminaire and New Caldari if that's what it took to keep Caldari Prime in Caldari hands. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.03 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin Can't say I'm surprised at the results, but I am surprised at Roden's promise to retake Caldari Prime. I'm of the opinion that the State is ready and able to keep Caldari Prime in any way they can. As it stands this means a titan in Luminaire. If the Federation plans to remove this titan then the State will likely stop at nothing to prove what a very, very bad idea this is.
The federation Navy is powerful, yes, but I doubt that it would be able to stop the State's fleet from occupying every system between Luminaire and New Caldari if that's what it took to keep Caldari Prime in Caldari hands.
Not to mention a very final sunrise over Gallente Prime.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.03 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Not to mention a very final sunrise over Gallente Prime.
That seems a bit... Extreme, don't you think? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.04 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin
Originally by: Vikarion Not to mention a very final sunrise over Gallente Prime.
That seems a bit... Extreme, don't you think?
To an attempt to recapture our homeworld?
I'd see the entire Federation burn before they take it again. Every world. And I imagine a great many Caldari feel the same.
We will not again surrender to Gallente dominance, to Gallente arrogance and condescension, to Federation culture and decadence. It would be better to take them with us into oblivion than to be like them.
However, I do hope wiser heads than Roden's will prevail.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.04 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion To an attempt to recapture our homeworld?
I'd see the entire Federation burn before they take it again. Every world. And I imagine a great many Caldari feel the same.
We will not again surrender to Gallente dominance, to Gallente arrogance and condescension, to Federation culture and decadence. It would be better to take them with us into oblivion than to be like them.
If it is necessary than I see it as of course acceptable, I simply question the necessity itself.
Quote: However, I do hope wiser heads than Roden's will prevail.
We should be careful to remember that democracy is a foolish thing, in that nothing Federation politicians say can be taken at face value: They submit to the mob rule, and will say what the mob will cheer for. It's entirely possible that, as Mr. Reeth said, the idea of retaking Caldari Prime is nothing more than a campaign promise, some lie said to please the masses.
So what we really should be hoping for is that wisers heads than those of the voters prevail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.12.04 00:57:00 -
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Well as history learned us i doubt caldari would allow second planetary bombardment of Caldari prime. On other hand any attempt to take it back would resort to suicide missions from caldari side towards gallente planets. Anyone remembers the story about caldari admiral crashing his mothership to luminaire?
Roden administration will be business oriented toward minmatar republic but thats it any attempt to include minmatars to offensive would resort to Amarr Empire hot droping fleets on minmatar homeworlds.
So Federation has navy that suffered no losses but cant use it as it would lead to open war and bombardment of all planets on both sides. |
Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.04 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jakiin on 04/12/2009 01:39:36 I think it's safe to say that the Federation Navy can't be mobilized for the simply reason that the State Navy would beat it. Myself, I believe that if the combined Amarr Territories (Fleets from the Kingdom, Mandate, Empire, and Delivered Systems) were to take on the Federal Navy or Republic Fleet, ours would be a sure victory. But even with the overwhelming force we could apply, I doubt the practical reasoning of attempting to take on the State Navy nearly as much as I doubt the moral reasoning.
Simply? The State Navy is a hot knife, any other military with the exception of the Jove is butter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.04 02:37:00 -
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"Recover" Caldari Prime? Really?
I mean, is it HARD to grasp this idea that maybe, JUST MAYBE, if it is called "Caldari Prime" and is the ancestral home of the Caldari people with millennia of Caldari heritage and Caldari history etched upon it, then it should belong to the ****ing Caldari?!
I simply can't fathom how anybody might possibly find that one to be a difficult ethical quandary, let alone how fifty-eight percent of a whole civilization could. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Caellach Marellus
Gallente Preta Light Industries Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 03:19:00 -
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*Sighs*
A predictable disaster but a disaster nonetheless. If you people will excuse me, I think I need a stiff drink.
I'm not sure being sober is the best way to contemplate the election of what is, at the bare bones of it, a Heth clone. --------------------------------------
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.04 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: khendro What use does it have at trying to retake the occupied Gallente systems, if the enemy still got a base of operations in the heart of your empire? First deal with Caldari Prime, then the Gallente Federation can focus its efforts on the other systems.
State Protectorate and their allies are not based in Luminaire where the Federal Navy harasses them persistently. These capsuleer forces executed the occupation of the low sec border systems. The Caldari Navy forces defending Caldari Prime are there to defend Caldari Prime; they do not participate in the current war, governed by the CONCORD Militia Act.
The question we want answered is simple - is Caldari Prime, or for that matter Gallente Prime, more valuable than Intaki Prime?
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 06:42:00 -
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But with this you have to agree with me guys: The Gallente got the biggest lore of them all.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.04 08:48:00 -
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Caldari Prime is inhabited by a majority Gallente population, and its occupation in the home system of Luminaire represents a severe threat to the core worlds.
Ethnic Caldari being born there a couple generations ago, and not even this generation, is therefore moot.
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.04 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Caldari Prime is inhabited by a majority Gallente population ... Ethnic Caldari being born there a couple generations ago, and not even this generation, is therefore moot.
Even if either of those statements were actually true - which they aren't - I really, REALLY fail to see how that could in ANY WAY be construed as a route to the moral high ground. "Hey we've invaded their homeworld! Now let's systematically go about replacing them as the majority ethnic group!" If WE tried that the Federation would decry it as a crime against humanity, but when they do it it's alright?!
THIS is why you're so hated by the Caldari. There seems to be this sentiment in the Federation of "It's okay for US to do it, WE'RE the good guys!". You're acting like the Amarr used to, with the added disadvantage that at least THEY had the excuse of religious fanaticism. What's yours?
I mean, come ON Inhonores, is it so hard to see that our god-damned home planet might just have some sentimental value to us, population demographics be damned, and that peace between the State and Federation would not only be to both sides' benefit, but that it was never going to happen so long as Caldari Prime was being slowly bulldozed and built over by the very culture that drove us off it in the first place.
I reckon that the State would LIKE to withdraw that titan and guard fleet from the planet's orbit. It's a monumental logistical burden that causes all sorts of diplomatic problems, first and foremost being that the Gallente refuse to enter any sort of peace process so long as it's there, and we're too afraid to remove it until there's a peace process underway, because it's guarding something of immense value to us.
It's people like you and Roden who are perpetuating this idiocy, not people like me, or my corporation, or my corporation's allies and friends, or the megacorps, or even Heth! The Federation are the ones best placed to start negotiating a truce, but one of the biggest opportunities to put an end to this idiocy just got passed up in favour of a warmongering bull.
How did you feel when Heth took over KK and founded the CPD? Well that's pretty much how we feel now - threatened. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.04 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 04/12/2009 12:17:12 It's not moral high ground, Hakatain, it's simple military-political pragmatism. Sentimental issues in this area do not apply, which include a) the fact that its your original homeworld and b) that we expect to be believe Heth won't go nuts with that Leviathan. I respect your notions, however, this is not representative of the Provist regime.
Since you will not believe me if I told you about the majority Gallente population, since I was born and raised there before moving to Gallente Prime for the rest of my adolescence, then here is where you want to go to.
Quote: With much of the Caldari marines assigned to securing strategic resources and transportation hubs, Provist troops have been placed in charge of enforcing the tight curfew and movement restrictions placed on the planet's majority Gallente population
The State, as protective of their culture as they are, have always adapted a "We do not care about your views" approach, whenever Foiritan's administration. The same applies here. To the majority of the Federation, the fact that a core world was lost, and an enemy force maintains a strong presence there is all that matters. Not a historical event that should have faded from history decades ago.
You speak much wisdom, Hakatain but unfortunately, Tibus Heth does not.
(as a side note, I wouldn't feel very much threatened by Roden. It sounds like he'll be relying on the Federal Defence Union like Foiritan. And we know how that's worked out. He may surprise us and think of creative ways to 'counterattack' however. Who knows)
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.04 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 04/12/2009 12:44:38
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Sentimental issues in this area do not apply, which include a) the fact that its your original homeworld...
...are you honestly that stupid? Of COURSE sentimental issues apply, the whole fragging planet is a sentimental issue! The State's whole motivation for liberating it was sentiment! Similarly, the only reason the Gallente are so riled up about it is that they don't like losing, which is sentimentality in its own right.
Sentimental issues automatically apply here, they can't not.
Quote: b) that we expect to be believe Heth won't go nuts with that Leviathan. I respect your notions, however, this is not representative of the Provist regime.
That argument ceased to be valid long ago. hundreds-strong fleets of federal-aligned capsuleers have assaulted that titan and its escort fleet several times now, and it hasn't so much as twitched. The only way to get that Leviathan to do something unwise would be to provoke it with a serious threat in the first place like, say, a couple of Erebuses with a Moros siege force. Which would constitute the Federation striking first.
Heth is not going to just spontaneously up and fire a doomsday for no good reason. If he was, he'd have done it by now.
As for the population thing: the bullsh** I was calling was the bit about there having been no native Caldari born there this generation. There are billions of Caldari on that world, there are a couple of hundred Caldari births a day down there.
and don't pull out your usual "blah blah look at me I was born there I know better than you" crap. I. DON'T. CARE. You are the biggest idiot I know, why the F**K should I give a gallon of stale pod gel what anecdotal evidence you can dredge out of the recesses of your own self-important arse?
Quote: Not a historical event that should have faded from history decades ago.
Only the foolish disregard the past. Foiritain did, and look where it got him.
Caldari have long memories, Inhonores, even if your own outlook is.... fickle and shallow, OURS. IS. NOT. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.04 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Ethnic Caldari being born there a couple generations ago, and not even this generation, is therefore moot.
So you are saying that the ethnic Caldari communities who protested in May 110 on Caldari Prime in response to the destruction of culturally significant artifacts and memorials by ethnic Gallente were not born on Caldari Prime?
In other words, your assertion that ethnic Caldari did not inhabit and reproduce on Caldari Prime during the Gallente occupation is wrong.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.12.04 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda Well as history learned us i doubt caldari would allow second planetary bombardment of Caldari prime. On other hand any attempt to take it back would resort to suicide missions from caldari side towards gallente planets. Anyone remembers the story about caldari admiral crashing his mothership to luminaire?
Roden administration will be business oriented toward minmatar republic but thats it any attempt to include minmatars to offensive would resort to Amarr Empire hot droping fleets on minmatar homeworlds.
So Federation has navy that suffered no losses but cant use it as it would lead to open war and bombardment of all planets on both sides.
people sometiems fail to realize some simple things. Gallente economy is several folds larger than caldari and ammar empire. But they indeed are not able to turn all of that into war power as the other states can. Their political system makes much harder to get the internal support for a bloody war, even with funds to spare.
But... but they have allies that have shown not long ago to be boldest than anything humanity has ever seen. If minmatar could crush ammatar mandate, concord and almost crush ammar navy (if was not for the zombie queen intervention), usign a fleet made from pocket change from the gallente federation development help funds... Wonder what coudl they do with a VAST military budget funded by gallente? Something that IS very interesting for companies like roden.. that would themselves supply a lot for this, therefore the money returning in large ammount for the federation....
So at end, caldari are dreaming if they think they can hide behind the empire. If empire get its fleet into gallente border they will have a crapton of those "interesting" thukker mix naglfars that can jump into cyno jammed systesm, bombarding their main planets. And the empire cannot knwo where they would appear, so the navy although much more powerful than the minmatar could muster, must stay alert and spread all over the empire borders to be able to get a fast response. Their failure to do so last time almost costed their empire.... They will NOT fail again in same way.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.04 14:37:00 -
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Considering the amount of Deadspace installations Roden has constructed over the last few months, I would not be suprised if he has already buildt up a considerable force.
I wish him luck in burning the State to the ground. ---
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Zero Kasanshi
Caldari Caviat Emptor
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Posted - 2009.12.04 14:43:00 -
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its kind of laughable. To even suggest that the Gallente can take back the Caldari homeworld. Besides, if the Gallente arrive in orbit to bombard Caldari Prime, doesn't that go against their hyporitcal concept of idividual human rights for all. In my opinion it wouldn't be too far off from some of the things the Amarr did the the Minmatar back in days of yore. Drop in a fleet and start glassing the planet. I wonder what Tibus Heth will say hen he responds to this Presidents goals.
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