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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.12.04 19:26:00 -
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For years, the Intaki Liberation Front has lobbied the Senate to allow a referendum to allow the citizens of Placid to determine if they would prefer secession over continued neglect at the hands of an apathetic Gallente Federation.
During that time our detractors continually dismissed our calls, making comments to the effect of ôThe Intaki are part of the Federation, they have full rights and are free.ö In recent weeks we have seen that this is not the case.
After stripping away one of the most basic of civil rights from billions of Federation citizens, the Senate paved the way for an illegal election. If indeed the residents of the Placid Region are full citizens of the Federation, then the Supreme Court must immediately strike down the law that strips people of the right to vote while permanently consigning them to the margins of society. Furthermore, the court must invalidate the results of the recent presidential election and order that a new, legal election be held.
This disenfranchisement law casts a permanent shadow over the communities where disenfranchised people live. Our children will grow up with the unfortunate example of neighbors, parents and grandparents who were denied the right to vote and engage in the political process.
As a consequence, the struggling communities that need political leadership most of all are trapped within a posture of disengagement that could be passed from one generation to the next.
While many things will need to change before the Federation can reinvigorate the electorate, doing away with these immoral and unconstitutional sanctions has to be near the top of the list.
Why does the Federation treat its citizens so poorly? Some of the problem can be attributed to backlash against possible collusion with Caldari forces that now occupy the disenfranchised regions. Led by senators bent on revenge, members of the Senate have adopted a law that has written legal citizens right out of the constitution.
This disenfranchisement campaign threatens to sweep traditional-minded Intaki from elected office by knocking their supporters off the voting rolls.
As we deem it unlikely that the Supreme Court will intervene on behalf of the disenfranchised populations, the Intaki Liberation Front will be hosting a congress of leadership with representatives of the Intaki-populated colonies throughout the disenfranchised Placid Region. In order to protect those in attendance, the precise time and location of the meeting is being withheld.
It is our belief that if steps are not taken to rectify the disenfranchisement situation and restore full citizenship to the residents of these systems, then the Senate has violated the articles of confederation that bind said systems to the Federation. Such action would establish de facto secession of the affected systems and allow for the planetary leaders to begin the formation of a new and sovereign Intaki state.
Should such an Intaki Sovereignty be formed as a result of these actions, the ILF will be the first group to pledge its support to the prosperity and defense of this new nation.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.04 19:39:00 -
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A question, if I may: What would be the position of this Intaki Sovereignty towards the Caldari State and its militia members? Well I suppose that's a vague question, allow me to rephrase.
What would be the position if State forces refused to leave the Sovereignty, citing the protection of State assets in the system?
Citing strategic importance?
What would the Sovereignty's position on any Federal forces that entered the Sovereignty, citing the removal of hostiles?
Citing the retaking of Federal systems?
Once this war is over, what would be the Sovereignty's view on any remaining military forces?
If the State is declared victor, what would be the position on corporate security forces left in the system? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin I realize that you do not speak for the whole of the Sovereignty, and that any statements you make here are your own and not binding agreements of any sort.
This is indeed the case and these issues would have to be decided by the duly-elected government of the Intaki Sovereignty. I am more than happy to share my take on things as resident of the area, however.
Originally by: Jakiin What would be the position if State forces refused to leave the Sovereignty, citing the protection of State assets in the system?
If the State recognized the sovereignty of the Intaki government, I think a protective force would be allowed. The size of the force and any financial arrangements would, of course, have to be negotiated between the two governments. I believe the same would be true of a limited Federal defense force to protect Federation assets within the Sovereignty.
Originally by: Jakiin Citing strategic importance?
This doesn't strike me as being as legitimate a reason, especially since it would denote a hostile force residing within a neutral state.
Originally by: Jakiin What would the Sovereignty's position on any Federal forces that entered the Sovereignty, citing the removal of hostiles?
Hostile to whom? This case is clearly a violation of national sovereignty and would be opposed.
Originally by: Jakiin Citing the retaking of Federal systems?
Once again, this would be seen as a hostile act and a violation of Intaki sovereignty.
Originally by: Jakiin Once this war is over, what would be the Sovereignty's view on any remaining military forces?
Many of us view the current war as one that serves no good to the Intaki people. States recognizing the independence and sovereignty of the Intaki government would be asked to remove military forces from the borders of the Intaki Sovereignty, with the exception of small defensive forces noted above.
Originally by: Jakiin If the State is declared victor, what would be the position on corporate security forces left in the system?
Once again, I do not think there would be a problem with small, negotiated security forces remaining within the system. We have no illusions that our home systems are rife with piracy. There is no doubt that any entity doing business here will need security forces to protect their assets for the foreseeable future.
Once again, these are only the opinions of a man playing the part of catalyst. If and when the Intaki Sovereignty comes to be there will be many others with more say than I in such matters.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Saxon Hawke
This doesn't strike me as being as legitimate a reason, especially since it would denote a hostile force residing within a neutral state.
Quote: Hostile to whom? This case is clearly a violation of national sovereignty and would be opposed.
I found most of your replies to be sensible and as I had expected, however these two statements betray some naivette on your part. The Intaki Sovereignty would be forming, after all, in the middle of what is still technically a war zone. Assuming the State allows the Sovereignty to form (Which I am sure it would not only allow but encourage), there is still the fact that on the other side of a newly-formed nation which will presumably be rather chaotic for awhile and have little military power to speak of lies an enemy. The Protectorate worked hard to secure this militarized buffer zone, and if I know the Caldari I know they're entirely unwilling to leave it basically unprotected.
Likely if and when the Sovereignty forms a fleet the State will be happy to stop wasting resources and leave the defense of Placid to you, but until then there is a very real threat of the Federation trying to gain their own buffer zone. Unless CONCORD cancels the war (On their own initiative or that of another party) the Placid region will remain an immensely valuable strategic location desired by both the Federation and the State. I believe that if the Sovereignty is formed it will have to either a) negotiate a cease fire between the two or b) get used to the idea that its space will remain a battleground. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.12.04 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin These statements betray some naivete on your part. The Intaki Sovereignty would be forming, after all, in the middle of what is still technically a war zone.
I have no illusions about the location of the Intaki Sovereignty and its perceived importance to both the Federation and the State. I am not, however, prepared to cede authority to control our own systems to foreign powers because of this position. That would make our sovereignty a very hollow thing indeed.
Originally by: Jakiin I believe that if the Sovereignty is formed it will have to either a) negotiate a cease fire between the two or b) get used to the idea that its space will remain a battleground.
I have, in fact, offered to be an intermediary between the Gallente and Caldari militias to negotiate a peace between them within the confines of the Intaki Sovereignty.
To date, no one has taken me up on that offer.
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Mielono
Caldari SWARTA
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Posted - 2009.12.04 21:38:00 -
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To gain the support of the Caldari you merely have to show a cost effective approach, words are nothing in the end only actions have any meaning.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.04 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jakiin on 04/12/2009 21:41:13
Originally by: Saxon Hawke I have no illusions about the location of the Intaki Sovereignty and its perceived importance to both the Federation and the State. I am not, however, prepared to cede authority to control our own systems to foreign powers because of this position. That would make our sovereignty a very hollow thing indeed.
Consider the two powers on each side of you. To the one there is the Gallente Federation, third largest of all the empires, which does not have a friendly track record in regards to secessions. To the other there is the Caldari State, an empire of incredible economic and military power, who are dedicated entirely to the practical aspect of benefiting itself and its people. Which of these do you think will let you eject their forces on principle? Which of these do you think you can force to eject their forces?
The Sovereignty will be compromised temporarily by allowing the fleets of other nations to do battle in your systems (Not ceding control of the systems themselves, though). But it would be much more compromised by forcing these nations to choose between their safety and yours.
Quote: I have, in fact, offered to be an intermediary between the Gallente and Caldari militias to negotiate a peace between them within the confines of the Intaki Sovereignty.
To date, no one has taken me up on that offer.
Of course they haven't. Politically, career capsuleers are useless. CVA has held Providence for years yet the Empire has yet to send a single fleet to assist them nor a single delegate to decree Providence an official territory of the Empire. To the baselines and capsuleers which live amongst them people like you and me have no bearing in politics.
A newly formed nation, recognised as a legal entity by CONCORD, though, that would have some say. With a bit of tricky negotiation which would involve the Sovereignty allowing military installations within its territory to both sides the Sovereignty would act as a political and eventually military and cultural buffer zone.
I imagine that within a few short years both sides would withdraw their forces to avoid the cost. Glamorous? No. But the Intaki Sovereignty would stand, and it would stand independent from foreign control. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.12.04 22:01:00 -
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Federation is a bond between nations. Clearly senate violated that bond. Federation can now loose more then Intaki but other solar systems when they realised that they were dumped by senate and their opinion doesnt even count.
On other hand caldari have enabled corporatocracy in occupied space but with help from locals.
It could just happen that if people compare now and then and realise that corporatocracy is not that bad they may not even think to return back to Federation when opportunity arises.
Either they will secede from Federation like Syndicate Intakies or just stick with caldari. |
Finistri Nirum
Caldari Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.12.04 23:54:00 -
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Frankly, it seems that your so-called Intaki Liberation Front got its wish. You are no longer a part of the Gallente Federation, and even their new President wishes to simply let you go and forget about you.
Or did I miss something here? My text translator may be on the fritz again. "Friendly fire ain't." ---Unknown soldier |
Zuzanna Alondra
Gallente Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.05 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Finistri Nirum Frankly, it seems that your so-called Intaki Liberation Front got its wish. You are no longer a part of the Gallente Federation, and even their new President wishes to simply let you go and forget about you.
Or did I miss something here? My text translator may be on the fritz again.
It ain't just the ILF's wish - it's the wish of a large part of a generation of Intaki.
We don't have our wish yet - sovereignty is not ours yet.
And to the other comments - this isn't about where we will stand with the Gallente or Caldari at this time. One step at a time - our independence.
Then the people as a whole can decide what to do with it. Perhaps Concord will decide to treat the area as they do the Ammatar mandate - as far as the miltia's are treated - it's a neutral place. Not that it actually is - hasn't stopped me from shooting traitors. - but that's not my point.
Let's talk about what we want to do with our independence once we have it.
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Hussain
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.12.05 01:19:00 -
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Unfortunetly President Roden election is a valid one.
I dont like the man, I think the Federation will suffer for having one of his character at the helm.
But the Federation is a Democratic regime, and in order for the non-vote law to pass it had to be approved by the Senate, rectified by the President and not be contested by the Supreme Court.
That is why its a democracy, power does not lie with an individual or with an institution, there are several powers controlling each other not letting anyother make abuses.
I am against the non-vote law and in that I am on accord with mr. Hawke. But I do respect the Fedration and its elected powers.
ILF as usual is trying to capitalize by making unfounded claims about the legitimacy of the election and using any arguments as they usual do for their powermongering.
Former president Foirtain decided to let it pass, and he is Intaki, I really think he is giving us a lesson on democracy.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.05 02:32:00 -
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I, for one, welcome the new military overlord. Those Roden Megathrons are damned fine machines, and I can't wait to see if he's either stupid enough to go through with his campaign promises or cowardly enough to fall back from them. Either way should result in some fireworks.
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Vincent Death
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.05 11:22:00 -
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I've said it before, and I suspect I'll have to say it again many times. When a company to which you pay money for a service stop delivering that service, you seek a new company to do business with.
The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism. |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.12.05 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 05/12/2009 11:23:44 I have yet to meet a single Elite member of the federation who was allowed to vote. The federation is no longer a democracy it's a dictatorship. But worse of all where is the outrage! Where are all the protests? Was one single pod pilot allowed to Vote this time around?
Hussain said " Unfortunetly President Roden election is a valid one." The Elite where not allowed to vote. No law was passed so it's not valid. There was not a single agent accepting votes from pod pilots like the last elections.
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Tellnan Matkiel
Gallente The Industrial Consortium
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Posted - 2009.12.05 12:05:00 -
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I do wonder whether those plantery leaders have the courage and vision to seek to be something other than an unwanted appendage to the Federation. ____________ My views are my own |
Vincent Death
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.05 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tellnan Matkiel I do wonder whether those plantery leaders have the courage and vision to seek to be something other than an unwanted appendage to the Federation.
If they do not then possess the intelligence or courage to make the only sensible choice then it is time for the planets population to remove them.
The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism. |
Jebizael Hunter
Gallente Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.05 16:12:00 -
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I doubt Roden cares too much about the disputed systems. Analysts believe that not having to count their votes may have given him an out-right majority. If he can spin seccession as not harmful to the Federation, he will not ever have to deal with our votes.
Thus it is an unique opportunity for our land-bound cousins to head towards independence.
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