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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:12:00 -
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I am a 2 year eve player. I have always enjoyed the game. Even tough I am 2 years old, their are still things in the game that I have never experienced. Call me ignorant or whatever. I have been to low and null sec. I have been to wormholes, I have mined,explored, and even been in wars. One thing I have never done is placed a pos. I have read about them, studied them, and even memorized the average cost to fuel them. I decided to start placing them so I could generate some income for plex. I studied up and found a few complex reactions to run and the perfect place to put it up. I Was running low on isk, so I purchased a gtc, sold it and made around 550 million isk. Log into the game. Did the things I needed to do to prepare to set up my first tower. Location, fuel, guns etc. Went to jita to pick up a large tower, 2 silos, and an ecm to go with the other items I have.(the plan is to move my stuff to Nour and wait a few days to organize a group to help me out.) I have been in low sec before and I am aware of what precautions to take. Anyways, as I undocked from Jita in my badger I was ganked and lost over 400million in cargo. YAY!! This has never happened to me. I figured a badger in high sec was safe. Just thought id share this with anyone that has a false sense of security in high sec. Any thoughts or comments would be nice. Flysafe and not blind. laters
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: MeatSlab I figured a badger in high sec was safe.
And that's where you figured wrong. How did you play for 2 years and never hear of suicide gankers?
Originally by: MeatSlab Just thought id share this with anyone that has a false sense of security in high sec. Any thoughts or comments would be nice. Flysafe and not blind. laters
Within time everyone realizes that high sec is safer, not safe. Some just learn the hard way.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:24:00 -
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Well it should be safe. But thats what false security is.
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Jimmy Kudo
Comply Or Die Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:35:00 -
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I guess I am not sure why it should be safe? If it was "safe" CCP would not have concord/gate and station guns.
Non-Consenual PVP is everywhere...and I welcome it ___________________
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy Kudo I guess I am not sure why it should be safe? If it was "safe" CCP would not have concord/gate and station guns.
Non-Consenual PVP is everywhere...and I welcome it
Good point
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Azura Noctis
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:40:00 -
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Yeah I've always detested station campers. The only thing you can do is check to see if the coast is clear, if not log dock back in as fast as you can. But yeah high sec you don't have to worry as much but you still have to be slightly paranoid.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.12.04 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: MeatSlab Well it should be safe. But thats what false security is.
If it were safe your weapons would be disabled upon entering a high sec system. That is the only way you'll ever make it safe.
Safer means that you can still take steps not to get blown up, which you did not take.
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Seraphina Oriana
The White Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.12.04 21:25:00 -
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Your first mistake was going to Jita. Your second mistake was using a T1 industrial to transport 400mil worth of stuff. Your third was undocking.
How to avoid this from happening again: - 1. Avoid Jita like the plague - there's plenty of other trade systems in EVE that aren't camped anywhere near as bad. 2. Train for transports or freighters so you can take advantage of their resists/sheer buffer which should hopefully tide you till CONCORD arrive if you get ganked.
DEADLY NIGHTSHADE - http://www.clan-oriana.com |
Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.12.04 22:14:00 -
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Two side notes on this specific case:
1) Insta undocks - make them. Straight out from the station undock point, far enough to be offgrid, then a random distance beyond. In popular systems, a random distance far beyond. I think in Jita I'd go at least 1500 km out. Then you come out of the station, warp to your BM, then warp off where you're going. The idea in a case like this is to leave before they get a chance to scan you to see if you're worth ganking; they aren't going to waste ships on speculation. You can insta undock in Jita to the moon, I believe, but if gankers are present there might be some hanging out there as well.
2) You do realize the towers can be purchased elsewhere, right? All racial towers are typically purchased at the seeding stations and moved by players to the major trade hubs for convenience purchasing. You'll pay about 10 million more to buy a tower in Jita than at the source. Plus, if it's a Caldari tower, you don't have to go far to find a source: Sukuuvesta(sp.?) factory stations. You'll have a slightly farther trip to go if you want an Amarr, Gallente, or Minmatar tower. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.05 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: MeatSlab Well it should be safe. But thats what false security is.
That statement reminds me of people who spend a lot of money to live in gated communities or expensive neighborhoods, and then, thinking they are not necessary, support laws to take guns away from good people who would be defenseless. This is why I laugh when I hear of people in such supposedly nice places get robbed or worse, and they are on the news saying things "I had no idea this would happen".
As for playing for two years and not knowing about suicide ganking.....
I once tried to warn some 0.5 miners that their system was on a gank consideration list and NONE of them knew what suicide ganking was or even considered that it could happen to them.
Made me want to gank them myself just to learn them a lesson.
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Lana's Alt
Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.05 07:56:00 -
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7/10. Pretty good. Not too long to read and believable.. I like it but it could be better.
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Alek Tekar
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Posted - 2009.12.05 09:00:00 -
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This is a good post. Would be better if you cried a but more.
7/10
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.12.05 20:01:00 -
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You clearly have never experienced the uses of the infamous paragraph hint hint
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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.05 20:38:00 -
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Was it my pilots? ... If so ... They will be dealt with
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.05 22:21:00 -
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I understand that not knowing something makes me ignorant. I have know about suicide ganking for some time. I just didnt realize the extent of it. Meaning, I guess, I assumed that it was more like a gang bang on miners or something to that affect. Its never happend to me, and I definatly did not think that it would happen out side of jita. I mean after all, two years without an incident like this can give one a "false sense of security" Yes, that kinda makes me like thos rich folks that act all shocked when it does happen. However it was a wake up call that has redefined my game play. I am not at all complaining. I am simply sharing an event that happend to me. Hopefully others that have no idea will now know and play smarter.
Victim: MeatSlab Corp: Uncle Chop Chop and the Swarm Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Destroyed: Badger Mark II System: Jita Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 2296
Involved parties:
Name: Arsicas Dinon (laid the final blow) Security: -0.4 Corp: Testicle Holdings Alliance: Legion of Alts Faction: NONE Ship: Tempest Weapon: 1400mm Prototype I Siege Cannon Damage Done: 2296
Destroyed items:
Medium Cargohold Optimization I, Qty: 3 Silo, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Expanded Cargohold II Caldari Control Tower (Cargo)
Dropped items:
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2 Warp Scrambling Battery (Cargo)
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.12.05 22:59:00 -
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Well, it is good that the valuable items got destroyed...
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Jessica Lanson
Port Hercules
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Posted - 2009.12.05 23:47:00 -
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It must really suck when someone puts 400 million - A PLEX - in an untanked Badger then you kill him and get nothing.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2009.12.06 00:17:00 -
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Note to self:: Never fly to Jita.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.06 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbo3771 You clearly have never experienced the uses of the infamous paragraph hint hint
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.12.06 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 06/12/2009 02:20:08 I'm curious about what ship ganked you fast enough to destroy you before concorded.
Can we see the kill mail? (just remove the person's name that ganked you so they don't nerf the post)
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.06 03:19:00 -
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Victim: MeatSlab Corp: Uncle Chop Chop and the Swarm Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Destroyed: Badger Mark II System: Jita Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 2296
Involved parties:
Name: Arsicas Dinon (laid the final blow) Security: -0.4 Corp: Testicle Holdings Alliance: Legion of Alts Faction: NONE Ship: Tempest Weapon: 1400mm Prototype I Siege Cannon Damage Done: 2296
Destroyed items:
Medium Cargohold Optimization I, Qty: 3 Silo, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Expanded Cargohold II Caldari Control Tower (Cargo)
Dropped items:
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2 Warp Scrambling Battery (Cargo)
as far as removing the gankers name.. I am sure he is proud and would probably post the same kill mail in local to gloat.
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Mok Tarin
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Posted - 2009.12.06 06:22:00 -
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And the only reason you got popped is because this games ******ed insurance mechanic.
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Lucia Wilber
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.12.06 06:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lucia Wilber on 06/12/2009 06:58:10
Quote: I have been to low and null sec. I have been to wormholes, I have mined,explored, and even been in wars.
Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?
Seriously, though. I agree with Mok...suicide gankers should definitely suffer more of a loss for the attempt. Currently, you're out pocket change thanks to insurance.
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Azura Noctis
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Posted - 2009.12.06 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lucia Wilber Edited by: Lucia Wilber on 06/12/2009 06:58:10
Quote: I have been to low and null sec. I have been to wormholes, I have mined,explored, and even been in wars.
Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?
Seriously, though. I agree with Mok...suicide gankers should definitely suffer more of a loss for the attempt. Currently, you're out pocket change thanks to insurance.
No, but I know the Muffin Man who lives on Drury Lane.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.06 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: MeatSlab on 06/12/2009 07:36:43
Originally by: Mok Tarin And the only reason you got popped is because this games ******ed insurance mechanic.
You can buy a Raven in Jita now for 70- 75 million. With 100% insurance at 30 million totaling 100-105 million. Insurance pay out is over 108 million. I got bored the other day and made over 10 million buying/insuring/self destruct/salvage.
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Calkota
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Posted - 2009.12.06 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mok Tarin And the only reason you got popped is because this games ******ed insurance mechanic.
Just a real wild guess here. I might be wrong, but I think that you got popped because you were undocking from Jita with 400m in cargo in a T1 transport.
If it drops then you make a huge chunk of change even losing an uninsured ship.
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.12.06 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica Lanson It must really suck when someone puts 400 million - A PLEX - in an untanked Badger then you kill him and get nothing.
I think it's hilarious tbh :)
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Jessica Lanson
Port Hercules
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Posted - 2009.12.06 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mok Tarin And the only reason you got popped is because this games ******ed insurance mechanic.
For that amount of money it doesn't matter.
He died from a combination of bad luck and poor choices.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2009.12.06 22:45:00 -
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To be fair Jita isn't the problem you can go in and out if you do it smart, don't expect to make it out with million/billions of goods in a slow/weak ship you won't and if you do congratulations next time you will be gotten.
I don't know what the OP could think of the 50+ ships, half with pirate skulls and running disco lights outside the station, also assuming no one was being killed on his way in meant when you docked there?
Glad you learned from this as many people break down, especially if they spent money to buy a plex, sold it then bascially lost it all.
Personally I'll never understand why everyone sells at the same station, there are what 5 other stations in Jita and virtually none of the others have the 'gang' hanging outside of them. It isn't like someone going to Jita is going to be like 'Oh damn they aren't selling those items I want on the station where they run a train on you as you leave, well I'm not going to go to the other station in system that doesn't have 50 ships waiting to kill me, what's the point.'
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.12.06 23:52:00 -
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I have a hard time believing the op has played for 2 years and never even heard of suicide ganking.
Guess we learn something new every day.
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Rob Kepie
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Posted - 2009.12.07 00:50:00 -
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I lost 200m+ undocking from Jita yesterday, I never heard of suicide ganking until this happened but have only been playing for 2-3 months.
The insurance mechanic is broken. I'd like to see the accounting because the insurance company should have been bankrupt ages ago. It doesn't make any sense that the insurance company would continue to insure a pirate who actively destroys the insurance company's other insured goods.
It seems silly to me that you can insure a ship but not the contents of the ship. When you find ships among all the other products in the market window, why is it that only the ships are insurable? There's obviously a demand for this kind of insurance as people want to fly with less risk, but apparently the space market doesn't provide it. I'm amazed that populations with such heavy reliance on unprovoked violence were even capable of getting into space in the first place.
Looting another person's wreck is as much a property crime as destroying the person's ship. Why CONCORD ignores one example of property crime and not another doesn't make sense.
For me, the trading aspect in Eve was the only thing left that kept me playing. I've gone through as many different careers that could be permitted within 2-3 months and I felt that this was the most rewarding experience, to be a part of a dynamic market. Now that I'm aware of the risk involved in trading in "high-sec", there's no incentive for me to play anymore. |
IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.12.07 01:30:00 -
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Quote: Anyways, as I undocked from Jita in my badger I was ganked and lost over 400million in cargo. YAY!! Rolling Eyes This has never happened to me. I figured a badger in high sec was safe
People need to remember & know that there is NO such thing in EVE as a totally 100% safe place out in space especially in Jita.
Had you told anyone what you were doing & where you were or were going? I ask this because more often than not it is either the ship was on AP OR the person flying it had let it slip about what they were carrying & what they were doing. (Even to people they thought were friends )
So what have you done now? If you were very short of ISK before the loss you are most probably as good as flat broke now which really sucks hard in EVE. (As for GTC's their prices have come down too far I won't be selling any of them any more I don't think as it's just not worth it at the current rates/prices)
Anyway good luck with whatever your intending on doing & remember if your going to Jita to move stuff worth more than a few million just get some sort of scouts or do it just before or straight after DT as if you can get in early enough you usually beat the Jita gankers & will be several jumps out at least before they even login.
In a Time When Many Will Seek Death, There Will Always Be Those Like Me Who Won't Mind Helping Them Along Their Way!?! |
Azura Noctis
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Posted - 2009.12.07 01:36:00 -
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Jita just happens to be a popular place for hackers too if you go by the stories in the Eve account hacked thread. So it seems to have all the makings for a seedy metropolis, you can find anything but the contrast is that anything can find you as well.
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K'reemy G'udness
Gallente The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.12.07 02:23:00 -
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I find it hard to believe that you've been playing two years and you can't figure out how to earn money so you don't have to buy isk. In summary, you're a bad poster in a terrible thread.
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Malande
Amarr Raata Invicti Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rob Kepie I lost 200m+ undocking from Jita yesterday, I never heard of suicide ganking until this happened but have only been playing for 2-3 months.
The insurance mechanic is broken. I'd like to see the accounting because the insurance company should have been bankrupt ages ago. It doesn't make any sense that the insurance company would continue to insure a pirate who actively destroys the insurance company's other insured goods.
It seems silly to me that you can insure a ship but not the contents of the ship. When you find ships among all the other products in the market window, why is it that only the ships are insurable? There's obviously a demand for this kind of insurance as people want to fly with less risk, but apparently the space market doesn't provide it. I'm amazed that populations with such heavy reliance on unprovoked violence were even capable of getting into space in the first place.
Looting another person's wreck is as much a property crime as destroying the person's ship. Why CONCORD ignores one example of property crime and not another doesn't make sense.
For me, the trading aspect in Eve was the only thing left that kept me playing. I've gone through as many different careers that could be permitted within 2-3 months and I felt that this was the most rewarding experience, to be a part of a dynamic market. Now that I'm aware of the risk involved in trading in "high-sec", there's no incentive for me to play anymore.
You are aware that there are other safer hubs to trade at that arnt the gankfest that is Jita yeah?
That or the fact that you can safely transport high value good by using the correct tool (ship) for the job, i.e for transporting expensive blueprints and implants a small fast frigate is the transport of choice.
As for the tower as others have mentioned you can buy elsewhere
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.12.07 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries
1) Insta undocks - make them. Straight out from the station undock point, far enough to be offgrid, then a random distance beyond. In popular systems, a random distance far beyond. I think in Jita I'd go at least 1500 km out.
I had to move a 500M mod out of jita the other day, and being ******ed I thought, "Hey, this one mod will fit in a T1 frig, and flying that would make the trip a hell of a lot faster." Then with the mouse over the undock button, something told me not to do it, I will die undock with a 500M mod in a T1 frig.
So I take it out, buy up some overdrives and a MWD and make an instaundock. Let me tell you, 1500km isn't safe in jita. Not even 3,000km is safe. I passed two grids of gank blobs set up after I got out of the jita station grid. I just let my wmd burn for over an hour and set up an insta over 40,000km away.
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Tardoon
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Posted - 2009.12.07 06:42:00 -
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The insurance mechanic is obviously flawed given the way it currently works. Is it flawed enough to warrant a complete overhaul? Perhaps, but that won't happen any time soon.
Tanking your hauler/Hulk used to be the way to go (most of the time), but since artillery ships can easily land over 10k damage per volley now, perhaps that won't be enough anymore. Time will tell.
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Alt0101
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Posted - 2009.12.07 08:48:00 -
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Hauling expensive stuff in Jita is like walking through Ciudad Juarez, Mexico with a suitcase full of Dollars, you know is not a good idea.
The best way to avoid get ganked in Jita is just never ever go there to buy expensive stuff.
There are other hubs to trade, even if you have pay more is better than lose everything.
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Flauschig Katzchen
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Posted - 2009.12.07 13:10:00 -
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Just like the real-life police, CONCORD are the historians of crime. ------ sig |
Uzuki Shootmenow
Relentless Influence
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Posted - 2009.12.07 14:02:00 -
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This was a good thread, until someone started crying about broken insurance and so on.
OP: you learned the hard way, need a bit more than half a brain to NOT get ganked in jita.
and also, too bad for teh ganker, all good stuff essploded :(
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: MeatSlab
Destroyed items:
Medium Cargohold Optimization I, Qty: 3 Silo, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Expanded Cargohold II Caldari Control Tower (Cargo)
Dropped items:
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2 Warp Scrambling Battery (Cargo)
Yeah, I figured you were probably untanked. There's really no reason not to tank a hauler, doesn't affect your ability to move stuff. Even a massive shield tank will get you through most stuff. If you can't fit it all in 1 trip make multiple and keep the tank going. Passive hardeners/plates/shield extenders are your friend. I can get over 10k passive ehp on a mammoth without nerfing the capacity too much.
Hopefully you got a lesson learned and will tank up next time.
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Takemikazuki
Celrydreahad Finance
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Takemikazuki on 07/12/2009 16:54:56 If ye can't figure out how to move stuff properly (it is really not that hard), then ye should contract it to a courier or a shipping corp. And if these fail to deliver you may comfort yrself with the collateral, rebuy the items, contract it again etc da capo.
You have a brain right?
Then use it.
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genette devo
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:27:00 -
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The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable.
Not sure if serious
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Old Bruin
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Posted - 2009.12.07 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Arec Bardwin
Originally by: genette devo The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable.
Not sure if serious
Genette devo is probably quite serious.
As she said, the quote comes from Sun Tzu's "The Art Of War", chapter VIII, item 11.
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Lithel
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: MeatSlab I figured a badger in high sec was safe.
This is basically were things went downhill.
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Calkota
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rob Kepie It seems silly to me that you can insure a ship but not the contents of the ship. When you find ships among all the other products in the market window, why is it that only the ships are insurable?
Courier contracts. Having a deposit higher than the value of the item is a good insurance taht it will not be stolen or lost. And if it is, you have made money.
Hire a reliable escort. There are corps out there that you can hire for protection.
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Flying ZombieJesus
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:52:00 -
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So, you're mad because you fail to understand the game?
I get that.
I used to throw hissy fits when I lost at video games too. I was 6 though.
So buck up partner, you'll get the hang of it, no need for tears. Would you like me to get you a cookie?
I dunno if that will work, but thats what my dad told me when I was throwing a tantrum due to failure to understand game mechanics.
See, apparently, you had to TELL mario when to jump. Who knew?
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:59:00 -
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Well, Thank you for all the comments. Even the jerks that feel its a good idea to be cruel. Eve is a cruel world and I like it.
I petitioned the incident just to see what kind of response that I would receive. I was not really expecting to get anything. I also wanted to show others that this has happened to what to expect. This is what they will tell you...
Greetings Meatslab,
Thank you for contacting EVE customer support. I am sorry to hear about your loss. It is possible for players to destroy your ship even while in 1.0 systems if they can do enough damage before concord destroys their ship. This is an intended game mechanic as the offenders are always punished. I really am sorry for your loss, but I will not be able to reimburse or otherwise compensate you in this matter. If you have any other questions or problems, or would like your petition closed, please let me know.
Best regards, GM ****** EVE Online Customer Support Team
So play smarter. And when people say "flysafe" they are serious.
Ok... you can abuse me now...
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Flying ZombieJesus So, you're mad because you fail to understand the game?
I get that.
I used to throw hissy fits when I lost at video games too. I was 6 though.
So buck up partner, you'll get the hang of it, no need for tears. Would you like me to get you a cookie?
I dunno if that will work, but thats what my dad told me when I was throwing a tantrum due to failure to understand game mechanics.
See, apparently, you had to TELL mario when to jump. Who knew?
Hey ahole... refer to the post.. I mean read it. Refer to post 15 and 1. Do not believe that I said I was mad.
"I understand that not knowing something makes me ignorant. I have know about suicide ganking for some time. I just didnt realize the extent of it. Meaning, I guess, I assumed that it was more like a gang bang on miners or something to that affect. Its never happend to me, and I definatly did not think that it would happen out side of jita. I mean after all, two years without an incident like this can give one a "false sense of security" Yes, that kinda makes me like thos rich folks that act all shocked when it does happen. However it was a wake up call that has redefined my game play. I am not at all complaining. I am simply sharing an event that happend to me. Hopefully others that have no idea will now know and play smarter." Meatslab.
Go be a jerk somewhere eles.
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Calkota
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:42:00 -
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BTW speaking of things that you are new on, GMs dont like it when you paste what they say to you.
Your the response that you were given is pretty tame and something that we all knew (well almost ;) ) but its generally frowned on.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.07 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Calkota BTW speaking of things that you are new on, GMs dont like it when you paste what they say to you.
Your the response that you were given is pretty tame and something that we all knew (well almost ;) ) but its generally frowned on.
I do not see how that Gm could get offended. I did not use any names.
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Ravenesa
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ravenesa on 07/12/2009 23:38:43
Originally by: Uzuki Shootmenow This was a good thread, until someone started crying about broken insurance and so on.
OP: you learned the hard way, need a bit more than half a brain to NOT get ganked in jita.
and also, too bad for teh ganker, all good stuff essploded :(
Coming from someone who IS a pirate and makes a living killing other pilots, I have to say the CONCORD insurance thing is actually broken. If you die to station/gate guns in lowsec or CONCORD in highsec it is because you did something criminal and should not get insurance.
Of course until that is fixed I will fully use it to my advantage under any and all circumstances.
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NaMorham Santorin
Caldari Raptor Ops Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2009.12.08 00:02:00 -
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The last time I bought anything expensive from jita the corp provided 2 new players with badgers and cargo containers called (Dread Guristas Control Tower for example) after they undocked (and died), I followed in my transport and warped out (to a undock ss) through a sea of concord. Just assume jita is going to cost someone a ship and you can usually get through it. ------------------------- How do I set my laser printer to stun? |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.12.08 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: NaMorham Santorin The last time I bought anything expensive from jita the corp provided 2 new players with badgers and cargo containers called (Dread Guristas Control Tower for example) after they undocked (and died), I followed in my transport and warped out (to a undock ss) through a sea of concord. Just assume jita is going to cost someone a ship and you can usually get through it.
I should try that.
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Arsicas Dinon
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Posted - 2009.12.08 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Arsicas Dinon on 08/12/2009 01:10:59 I'm sorry for your loss. What can we do to protect ourselves in these tough times?
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Arsicas Dinon
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Posted - 2009.12.08 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: NaMorham Santorin The last time I bought anything expensive from jita the corp provided 2 new players with badgers and cargo containers called (Dread Guristas Control Tower for example) after they undocked (and died), I followed in my transport and warped out (to a undock ss) through a sea of concord. Just assume jita is going to cost someone a ship and you can usually get through it.
I should try that.
I hope you do, because it doesn't work.
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NaMorham Santorin
Caldari Raptor Ops Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2009.12.08 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: NaMorham Santorin on 08/12/2009 01:41:02
Originally by: Arsicas Dinon I hope you do, because it doesn't work.
Maybe for you. Not sure if the container name showed up on the scan (I've never bothered to try), even if it didn't/doesn't, the new guys got popped, and the goods got out.
Edit: This is over a year ago - new mechanics may make this less useful, again, haven't tried recently. But it has worked for me before ------------------------- How do I set my laser printer to stun? |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.12.08 03:09:00 -
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I just want to see if someone will pop me with renamed cargo lol, I generally won't shop in Jita unless I'm buying a ship anyways...I'd like to see if I'll get popped for naming something cheap as something juicy for the hell of it.
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Arsicas Dinon
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Posted - 2009.12.08 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: NaMorham Santorin Edited by: NaMorham Santorin on 08/12/2009 01:41:02
Originally by: Arsicas Dinon I hope you do, because it doesn't work.
Maybe for you. Not sure if the container name showed up on the scan (I've never bothered to try), even if it didn't/doesn't, the new guys got popped, and the goods got out.
Edit: This is over a year ago - new mechanics may make this less useful, again, haven't tried recently. But it has worked for me before
Posting unsubstantiated year+ old advice is great help by the way. You would be better off telling him he can't fit a 100mn mwd to his sleipner :(
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d1rtybird
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Posted - 2009.12.08 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: d1rtybird on 08/12/2009 03:28:34 Having a hard time with a recent, expensive loss in Jita? We understand your pain. We understand the rush of emotions. We are here for you. You are not alone. Do not be afraid to cry. You are amongst friends.
Please join us in channel "Ganked in Jita Support Group".
It's never to late to talk - Reformed Pirate, GeneralMartok
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NaMorham Santorin
Caldari Raptor Ops Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2009.12.08 03:37:00 -
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It's the same as when you target someone who jumps the gun and fires before agro. I've seen mining barges killed because they didn't wait for the flip. If they aren't looking too closely at the scan, you can get a window to get out. I'd be interested to see if it still works, and I'm skeptical that all the gankers in jita (or any major trade route or hub) have magically learnt not to shoot the first thing that looks juicy. In the same way that good gate campers will still get you in your industrial, some of them get so hungry for a kill you can send a sacrifice through first - it may not always work, it may not often work, but it has and will again.
Like everything in eve, you have to weigh up the risks, if for some reason you must move that big item out of jita now (I can't think of a reason not to wait for a better time), then you need something shiny to distract the gankers - it may not work, but the payoff if it does might be good enough. ------------------------- How do I set my laser printer to stun? |
Skullzilla
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Posted - 2009.12.08 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: MeatSlab Well, Thank you for all the comments. Even the jerks that feel its a good idea to be cruel. Eve is a cruel world and I like it.
I petitioned the incident just to see what kind of response that I would receive. I was not really expecting to get anything. I also wanted to show others that this has happened to what to expect. This is what they will tell you...
Greetings Meatslab,
Thank you for contacting EVE customer support. I am sorry to hear about your loss. It is possible for players to destroy your ship even while in 1.0 systems if they can do enough damage before concord destroys their ship. This is an intended game mechanic as the offenders are always punished. I really am sorry for your loss, but I will not be able to reimburse or otherwise compensate you in this matter. If you have any other questions or problems, or would like your petition closed, please let me know.
Best regards, GM ****** EVE Online Customer Support Team
So play smarter. And when people say "flysafe" they are serious.
Ok... you can abuse me now...
GM's are such pros. Imagine being able to write something so polished, polite and professional while cackling and doing shots of Tears of Unfathomable Sadness. (Not a slam on GM's, at all:) I'm not mocking you (well, a little, because anything that happens in a badger is a little bit laughable by default), since I put like 60 mil in random crap i bought elsewhere, and flew afk through a route that took me 2 jumps from Jita in a rookie ship. Of course, I got sb'd and podded.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.09 00:41:00 -
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Quote: doing shots of Tears of Unfathomable Sadness.
wtf
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2009.12.10 09:14:00 -
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I run loads with values in the multi-billion ISK range out of J-4-4 all the time.
No worries about ganks. Just re buying it all with the collateral payment when the guy I hired to run it gets popped.
Courier contracts FTW
Mr Epeen
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