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Redart Viziam	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Redart on 05/12/2009 03:39:31 Who the hell are you to try an make me join a player corp? I have been on and off for almost 5yrs now. I have quit so many times and came back so many times, but it is this recent time that I actually really started to enjoy the game because I have not been bound by a corporation. I have been treating the game more as a hobby, than a game I have to play everyday. I enjoy running missions and I enjoy trading station to station. Both of these are hurt severely by the NPC Corp tax. I do not want to be in a corp, between my 3 characters I have been in many corps and the game simply isn't for the casual player when you move into corps. There is no way around it. Especially trading, any % over normal tax is very painful since you are buying and selling for large quantities for much smaller profits than you put into it. 5% can take away ALL profit on what is considered to be good trades. You killed that, good job. Trying to force me to join a corporation that's ran by other players is absolutely ludicrous. I would expect that many casual players will be doing the same. ^Click the Sig GorgeousGamers.com
Xing Fey	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:35:00 - [2] Corp tax doesn't affect market transactions at all.
Asuka Smith Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:36:00 - [3] You have played for five years and yet you do not understand how taxing mechanics work, or that you can make your own personal corp for just you and your alts? Good riddance.
Sakari Mikko	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:38:00 - [4] Can I have your stuff?
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:38:00 - [5] don't let the pod door hit you in the ass on the way out Originally by: Hamshoe Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
Redart Viziam	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Xing Fey Corp tax doesn't affect market transactions at all. Yes it does, maybe not buy and sell orders but trading in a hauler it eliminates any profit. ^Click the Sig GorgeousGamers.com
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:42:00 - [7] Trading is not affected by the tax. Mission running will only be affected bounty/mission reward wise. That's approx. 35% of the total mission income. So we're talking about 3.3% less income from mission running. If you're a casual player and play for, say 1 hr each day and make 20 mil on average, that'll be 600mil / months. So you actually pay only about 23 mil /month for beeing not wardeccabe. HTFU
Jaggeh The Order of Odin	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Redart Originally by: Xing Fey Corp tax doesn't affect market transactions at all. Yes it does, maybe not buy and sell orders but trading in a hauler it eliminates any profit. your posts are full of fail
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:45:00 - [9] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 05/12/2009 03:45:30 Originally by: Redart Originally by: Xing Fey Corp tax doesn't affect market transactions at all. Yes it does, maybe not buy and sell orders but trading in a hauler it eliminates any profit. Zero percent NPC corp tax was an abominable feature and was in dire need of removal with prejudice for years. If you can't make a profit in a hauler it's because you're hauling the wrong stuff, and if it's just the NPC corp tax that's screwing with you then I'd say just go the one-man or small-corp route. I was in a one-man corp for eight months, ****talking on both the forum and local chat the whole time and was never so much as threatened by a war dec.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Redart Yes it does, maybe not buy and sell orders but trading in a hauler it eliminates any profit. Have you gone mad ? What the hell are you talking about ? What does that have to do with anything ? The only things taxed are NPC kill bounties and ISK mission rewards. Everything else (mining, refining, manufacturing, inventing, buying, selling, contracts or any other trades, direct ISK transfers or anything like that) are NOT TAXED via corp tax rate, NPC or player-run, doesn't matter. There is absolutely no way the corp tax could affect "trading in a hauler" in any way, shape or form. Bloody n00bs these days... _ We are recruiting \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper

Redart Viziam	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Nika Dekaia Trading is not affected by the tax. Mission running will only be affected bounty/mission reward wise. That's approx. 35% of the total mission income. So we're talking about 3.3% less income from mission running. If you're a casual player and play for, say 1 hr each day and make 20 mil on average, that'll be 600mil / months. So you actually pay only about 23 mil /month for beeing not wardeccabe. HTFU Ah well, so be it. I've joined player corps in the past with 2.5% tax and my trading went down exactly 2.5% on top of the normal tax minus the 1% per lvl of accounting. Even still, there is no reason for the NPC Corp tax other than to push players into doing something they don't want to do. Tax or not, I do not want to be in a player corp. EVE is about freedom. That's not freedom. ^Click the Sig GorgeousGamers.com
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Asuka Smith or that you can make your own personal corp for just you and your alts? But I herd that u will b decced an keeled as soon as u undok if u leve teh noob corp! Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Redart I've joined player corps in the past with 2.5% tax and my trading went down exactly 2.5% on top of the normal tax minus the 1% per lvl of accounting. No, it didn't. Stop lying. Or stop deluding yourself, whichever of these two applies. Your trading was NEVER affected by corp tax. Whatever it is you think you saw (if you saw anything), it WASN'T the corp tax. _ We are recruiting \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Redart Tax or not, I do not want to be in a player corp. EVE is about freedom. That's not freedom. You're never more free than when you're in a one-man corp that's part of an alliance that your alt belongs to. You can do anything in this game with that and are subject to no one's rules. What exactly about "NPC Corp" implies "Freedom" anyway, taxes or no?
Ceat Murtains	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:53:00 - [15] I'm always surprised by how much stupid Eve players can squeeze into a single post.
Redart Viziam	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Redart Tax or not, I do not want to be in a player corp. EVE is about freedom. That's not freedom. You're never more free than when you're in a one-man corp that's part of an alliance that your alt belongs to. You can do anything in this game with that and are subject to no one's rules. What exactly about "NPC Corp" implies "Freedom" anyway, taxes or no? And be alone or talk in one of the overcrowded general chans or try and hold a conversation in local bouncing back and forth between systems. Again, that's not freedom. There is no reason for a tax on NPC corps other than to push people into leaving them. What if you develop friendships within them? You're going to say "make your own corp" yeah that don't work when you're casual players. What if they all don't want to join the corp? You have to recruit people just to chat. Then you stepped beyond the bounds of casual play. ^Click the Sig GorgeousGamers.com
Yelan Zhou Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:55:00 - [17] As Akita said, taxes apply NOT to market transactions.
Korizan Red Mercury Incorporated	Posted - 2009.12.05 03:55:00 - [18] Edited by: Korizan on 05/12/2009 03:55:54 You could create your own corporation and I know for a fact that there are several corporations out there that are built around casual player with no requirements @ all. Then again that -2.4 Security Rating can't be helping your trading much either
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Redart There is no reason for a tax on NPC corps other than to push people into leaving them. Correction, there's no reason that would benefit you // that you personally would like for a tax on NPC corps. The actual reason is that complete safety for wardecs at no effort at all should NOT BE FREE. You are paying a measly 11% of your bounties for that (which, as some people pointed out, is barely more than 3% of the typical mission-running income). Granted, the reason to institute the NPC corp tax is only one of the (at least) two steps that NEEDED to be made, the other one (still nowhere in sight) would be a revamping of wardecs to avoid easy corp-hopping when wardecced. Because right now, there's nothing easier than simply creating a corp with 0% tax rate, then moving on to another corp as soon as you get wardecced. In other words, until CCP looks at the wardec/corphop mechanics, the NPC tax rate was a pointless thing to introduce. But once they do, it will no longer be pointless. _ We are recruiting \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:00:00 - [20] You are aware you can make a one man corp just for you and your alts? If you get wardecced it isn't much of a bother to just start a new one.

Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:02:00 - [21] Oh and on the contrary, you can absolutely be in a player corp that's casual. Red Light Enterprises, who I'm still pretty sure I've spent the majority of my time in this game with (although I'd have to check on that now that I've been with RHN for awhile) is a great example. Even people who have been out of the corp for a couple years hang out in its public chat now and then, and we had great fun when the corp was still active.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:06:00 - [22] Silly people use dumb reasoning to back their actions, let him keep his trolling/dumb reasoning, goodbye. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:09:00 - [23] rofl, make your own solo corporation???? The change is meant to prevent people from dodging war decs, it doesn't change your style of gameplay at all, just make your own corp.
Isareal Altara	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:14:00 - [24] Originally by: mechtech rofl, make your own solo corporation???? The change is meant to prevent people from dodging war decs, it doesn't change your style of gameplay at all, just make your own corp. Sad thing is this is going to hurt long term when that happens... Suddenly instead of the B'ing about npc corps it's B'ing at the number of 1-3man corps running around that are not worth wardeccing, or working together so in order to wardec the people mining in your high sec backyard you can't due to a limit on the number of wardecs (cause they can drop just an alt in as CEO leaving the corp active while they join/form a new one)
Shogun Archer Gallente	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:21:00 - [25] Lol, I look at his portrait and see some crotchety old man *****ing about taxes. OP, obvioulsy you don't want to play if a freaking 10% tax is enough to make you quit. Just quit, and no I don't want your stuff. I have plenty.
Ceat Murtains	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Isareal Altara Originally by: mechtech rofl, make your own solo corporation???? The change is meant to prevent people from dodging war decs, it doesn't change your style of gameplay at all, just make your own corp. Sad thing is this is going to hurt long term when that happens... Suddenly instead of the B'ing about npc corps it's B'ing at the number of 1-3man corps running around that are not worth wardeccing, or working together so in order to wardec the people mining in your high sec backyard you can't due to a limit on the number of wardecs (cause they can drop just an alt in as CEO leaving the corp active while they join/form a new one) If it's that much of a problem you can just suicide gank them. Not like its hard to gank a miner.
Isareal Altara	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Ceat Murtains Originally by: Isareal Altara Originally by: mechtech rofl, make your own solo corporation???? The change is meant to prevent people from dodging war decs, it doesn't change your style of gameplay at all, just make your own corp. Sad thing is this is going to hurt long term when that happens... Suddenly instead of the B'ing about npc corps it's B'ing at the number of 1-3man corps running around that are not worth wardeccing, or working together so in order to wardec the people mining in your high sec backyard you can't due to a limit on the number of wardecs (cause they can drop just an alt in as CEO leaving the corp active while they join/form a new one) If it's that much of a problem you can just suicide gank them. Not like its hard to gank a miner. yeah, but that sec hit can be a pain. Not everyone has the time or desire to grind it back up... and it's not worth trying to hire mercs to do suicides (cost not worth it)
Angryinch	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:35:00 - [28] Let's play a game with Anagram's The Op's Name is Redart GO.........
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Dead poets society The Laughing Men	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Angryinch Let's play a game with Anagram's The Op's Name is Redart GO......... Angryinch becomes.... An Cry Nigh
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.05 04:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Angryinch becomes.... An Cry Nigh Rhatar Khurin becomes... Hair Hark Runt Originally by: Hamshoe Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.



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