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Xercodo
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Posted - 2009.12.08 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: Xercodo on 08/12/2009 04:41:45
Originally by: Redart
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Redart Tax or not, I do not want to be in a player corp. EVE is about freedom. That's not freedom.
You're never more free than when you're in a one-man corp that's part of an alliance that your alt belongs to. You can do anything in this game with that and are subject to no one's rules.
What exactly about "NPC Corp" implies "Freedom" anyway, taxes or no?
And be alone or talk in one of the overcrowded general chans or try and hold a conversation in local bouncing back and forth between systems.
Again, that's not freedom. There is no reason for a tax on NPC corps other than to push people into leaving them.
What if you develop friendships within them? You're going to say "make your own corp" yeah that don't work when you're casual players. What if they all don't want to join the corp? You have to recruit people just to chat. Then you stepped beyond the bounds of casual play.
whole bunch of us in one man corps and even more in real corps and just as many in NPC corps all got together and made our own channel
we usually have 70-120 ppl on and we use voice chat for epic lols
ive been in a one man corp for months and its been great cause i still get the benefit of keeping all my money AND i still have this awesome group of guys i talk with and occasionally help with a mission or do a roam in low sec ^^
throw a mail my way in-game and ill get u in (its a public channel so u dont need an invite, just dont feel like saying it's name here ^^)
u also get the added benefit of not being stuck to w/e race ur NPC corp is a part of, the guys in this channel are of every race and playing style, we have carebear mission runners, WHers, 0.0 alliance guys, newbs, miners, marketeers and their all different races and live in different parts of the universe
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Konarr
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Posted - 2009.12.08 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 05/12/2009 03:45:30
Originally by: Redart
Originally by: Xing Fey Corp tax doesn't affect market transactions at all.
Yes it does, maybe not buy and sell orders but trading in a hauler it eliminates any profit.
Zero percent NPC corp tax was an abominable feature and was in dire need of removal with prejudice for years. If you can't make a profit in a hauler it's because you're hauling the wrong stuff, and if it's just the NPC corp tax that's screwing with you then I'd say just go the one-man or small-corp route. I was in a one-man corp for eight months, ****talking on both the forum and local chat the whole time and was never so much as threatened by a war dec.
What is wrong with it? Seriously what is so offensive about people not wanting to PVP? Give me a player corp with a <= 5% rate that can't be wardeced operating in Cladari empire space and I will join. This change isn't about infrastructure, they have said it is about getting people to join player corps. It is about steering casual players into the cross hairs for the precious kill boards.
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Haramir Haleths
Caldari Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2009.12.08 06:38:00 -
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You dont have to join a player corp. Nobody force you to join a player corp. You can even enjoy your casual game experience like before. Nothing has changed. Mssions are the same, Loot is the same. They just did a little game balancing. Yes u got it... Balancing does not belongs to ships and weapons only. Now you are just in line with the rest of the eve community.
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Gorefacer
Caldari Resurrection Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.12.08 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: b1zz
Originally by: Gorefacer
There's not much to grasp. Thus far your play-style has been left alone. You can continue to play the way you have been. A 3% mission tax is a very minor inconvenience/cost in exchange for the minor advantage of wardec immunity. It sounds like your complaining about something that hasn't happened yet.
If you want to argue the point that CCP will do something unfairly tax related in the future then that's fine but I see no point in participating as I have no idea what they will end up doing. I think what HAS been done is not unfair or out of line though for the reasons I've already outlined.
You sound like the type to allow a despot to take control of your country granting himself absolute power before it occured to you that maybe you should have raised a voice against it some time previously.
The blog is pretty blatant on the point that CCP want players in player corporations, and they are willing to push the tax further "if the changes do not have the impact we hope"; this should give you an idea of what they will end up doing.
The tone of that blog should be hugely worrying to the player base. For anyone not interested in player corporations it's down right scary. Simply tell us the tax is to bring NPC onto a level playing field with PCs, there's no need for the "suggestions".
Well OK. You don't like the tone of what you've read from CCP. I can't really argue with that. I'm not convinced they will do anything drastic but I could be wrong.
Consequently I've let despots take over my country three times now so you really nailed me there.
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b1zz
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Posted - 2009.12.08 07:04:00 -
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My sympathies. Hope you're not being oppressed too much. Can I suggest a slave uprising; I've heard that works sometimes.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp F A I L
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Posted - 2009.12.08 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Redart Edited by: Redart on 05/12/2009 03:47:15
Originally by: Nika Dekaia Trading is not affected by the tax.
Mission running will only be affected bounty/mission reward wise. That's approx. 35% of the total mission income. So we're talking about 3.3% less income from mission running.
If you're a casual player and play for, say 1 hr each day and make 20 mil on average, that'll be 600mil / months. So you actually pay only about 23 mil /month for beeing not wardeccabe.
HTFU
Ah well, so be it. I've joined player corps in the past with 2.5% tax and my trading went down exactly 2.5% on top of the normal tax minus the 1% per lvl of accounting.
Even still, there is no reason for the NPC Corp tax other than to push players into doing something they don't want to do. Tax or not, I do not want to be in a player corp. EVE is about freedom. That's not freedom.
When I did play, it was fun to chat in the Minnie NPC Corp chats. There is some good people there. (not on this char of course)
FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOM!!!!
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JusCheckin Jita
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Posted - 2009.12.08 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: b1zz My sympathies. Hope you're not being oppressed too much. Can I suggest a slave uprising; I've heard that works sometimes.
This comment is unnecessary and offensive. I hope you get banned for this post, and I hope you're country is taken over by a totalitarian dictator and you become a groveling slave who cleans up the ***** of other slaves [in game].
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