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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 18:21:00 -
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Well CCP WAS going to buff supercarriers to even up the playing field... but if I remember people whined that buff to death... so now that titans can easily kill your ships you have nobody to blame except your own whining mouthholes.
IRONIC and I LOVE it.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage Well CCP WAS going to buff supercarriers to even up the playing field... but if I remember people whined that buff to death... so now that titans can easily kill your ships you have nobody to blame except your own whining mouthholes.
Close, but not quite.
CCP was going to change motherships into super carriers to even up the playing field. But then CCP whined that buff to death (the players loved it). So now they're blaming CCP for the imbalance they created. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Tappits
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Gun Gal his fitting was very bad.
face it, you have a 18 bill ship you should fit it accordingly.
he didnt.
he died.
move along.
Funny guy.
Second titan didn't do any damage because he POPPED AFTER MY DD. Even if he had had slaves, and t2 trimarks, and x-type hardeners, he would have died.
you know its wrong when the people that did it say its wrong.
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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: WhiteSavage Well CCP WAS going to buff supercarriers to even up the playing field... but if I remember people whined that buff to death... so now that titans can easily kill your ships you have nobody to blame except your own whining mouthholes.
Close, but not quite.
CCP was going to change motherships into super carriers to even up the playing field. But then CCP whined that buff to death (the players loved it). So now they're blaming CCP for the imbalance they created.
lol actually CCP didnt change the HP at all. They nerfed the DPS a little bit, because they felt it was too overpowered. And since this has nothing to do with dps, you are incorrect sir. But you knew that...
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage lol actually CCP didnt change the HP at all. They nerfed the DPS a little bit, because they felt it was too overpowered. And since this has nothing to do with dps, you are incorrect sir. But you knew that.
Ehm. What are you on about? I'm talking about motherships and their cancelled transformation into super carriers, just as a point of reference. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Vengeance Raze
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vengeance Raze on 08/12/2009 19:08:37
Originally by: LordSwift If you want to make ships able to survive these attacks then its not very Doomsday is it. Might as well just call the Amarr DD "HyperBeam" or something. when you are primaried by a titan you should not expect to live.
This is such a ******ed arguement.
Ok, so you believe in this mantra? So a Titan fires its DD, the target should expect to die in one go. What is the target is another Titan?!
Then is it ok for something to survive the DD of megahyperbeamdeathforcego5 cannon?!
Titans and MoM's are BOTH supercapitals.
Titans and MoM's are BOTH bound to an undocked space exsistance.
Titans and MoM's are BOTH far more expensive than regular capitals due to the build cost in terms of materials.
They should BOTH be able to survive a DD, one can, one can not. This is wrong.
Go back to pre-school. Do not pass go. Do not collect pocket money.
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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: WhiteSavage lol actually CCP didnt change the HP at all. They nerfed the DPS a little bit, because they felt it was too overpowered. And since this has nothing to do with dps, you are incorrect sir. But you knew that.
Ehm. What are you on about? I'm talking about motherships and their cancelled transformation into super carriers, just as a point of reference.
I'm not sure where you got lost... People whining because motherships are weak against titans... something that would have been less problematic if CCP had pushed through their intended supercarrier changes which included an HP buff... changes that were not pushed through because of a large enough portion of the forum community, as yourself, whining and crying and sobbing and throwing tantrums about CCP lessening their SUGGESTED dps. I followed those threads with interest... and CCP dealt/reacted to the eve community as best they could and finally with every suggest they made being whiplashed by temper tantrums they, quite understandably decided to keep everything as it is for now.
And that leads us to our situation today...
WHat part did you not follow/understand?
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage WHat part did you not follow/understand?
The part where any of what you said had anything to do with what I said, especially as any form of contradiction. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Shuddayomoufa
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Posted - 2009.12.08 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Shuddayomoufa on 08/12/2009 21:12:11 When I was a kid, there was a rich kid Jimmy in the neighborhood that got a new chopper type bike. This thing had like 4 foot long forks on it. It was sweet (We are talking the 70's Evil Kenevil era here BTW) Now Jimmy got a new bike like every year, and we all had hand-me downs. He liked to make fun of them and laughed when we wrecked. Anyway, he never let anyone try it out, and only took it out in his driveway. One day, we were jumping our banana-seat-with-sissy-bar fitted Schwinns over a ramp made from a tree stump and plywood, getting big air, and Jimmy thought it would be cool to jump his chopper. One jump and the forks bent. The bike was destroyed.
Good times.
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Grapez
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.12.09 00:01:00 -
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I'm gonna be honest here; at the beginning of this thread I was leaning heavily towards the Sokratez-fix-moms side, but after reading the thread again today I'm more leaning towards the ****-em-Eves-a-hard-place side. Not that the latter side has been particularly well argued ITT, but that I feel it fits more naturally with what Eve is and should be.
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fuze
Gallente Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.12.09 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: grapez I'm gonna be honest here; at the beginning of this thread I was leaning heavily towards the Sokratez-fix-moms side, but after reading the thread again today I'm more leaning towards the ****-em-Eves-a-hard-place side. Not that the latter side has been particularly well argued ITT, but that I feel it fits more naturally with what Eve is and should be.
This is a perfect example why Bush jr was voted for president TWICE in the US.
Originally by: The Mittani Where's the excellence?
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Grapez
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.12.09 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
Originally by: grapez I'm gonna be honest here; at the beginning of this thread I was leaning heavily towards the Sokratez-fix-moms side, but after reading the thread again today I'm more leaning towards the ****-em-Eves-a-hard-place side. Not that the latter side has been particularly well argued ITT, but that I feel it fits more naturally with what Eve is and should be.
This is a perfect example why Bush jr was voted for president TWICE in the US.
Well, he did win, like you wrote, and twice.
How many Doomsdays should any ship be able to tank? Let's just discuss this generally without referring to motherships for a little bit.
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Dakius
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Posted - 2009.12.09 00:51:00 -
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Did motherships not get the 100% hp buff, bombers, and class name changed to supercarriers?
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Shasta Racka
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Posted - 2009.12.09 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk I think people are missing the point of this thread.
This is a 16 billion isk ship that got 1 shotted. A SUPER CAPITAL got 1 shotted. Isn't there something wrong with that?
Applebabe I love you and all but could you put the link back up please? This is an issue that urgently needs to be addressed.
Isn't that what the new Titans are supposed to do? I mean the Death Star one-shotted Alderaan.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross
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Posted - 2009.12.09 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dakius Did motherships not get the 100% hp buff, bombers, and class name changed to supercarriers?
No, they did not. Because of Nohz. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
Shasta Racka
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Posted - 2009.12.09 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: LordSwift
What you want mom's to be able to withstand multiple dd's? Come on a Doomsday Weapon is meant to be that. Its meant to be a feared weapon. Much better than before when it could take out a fleet if they were not ready for it. Either way the titan is vulnerable once its fired the DD anyway so in a large fleet engagement it wont matter. Just be prepared to lose one ship. dont see the issue with that. Is their a refire delay on the dd?? If so i dont see the problem
jesus ***** ****ing christ.
It is so easy to tell from the replies here who does and doesn't fly a ms.
Do you think its ok for 20bil isk to pulverize in 10 seconds without any sort of counter?
Are you absolutely sure there was no way to counter?
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eyesee you
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Posted - 2009.12.09 01:10:00 -
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.09 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage CCP dealt/reacted to the eve community as best they could and finally with every suggest they made being whiplashed by temper tantrums they, quite understandably decided to keep everything as it is for now.
What you are forgetting/missing is the first incarnation of motherships/supercarriers we tested on singularity. The reworking that was headed up by a dev who had actually used capitals and was familiar with capital fleet combat.
There was no "whining crying and sobbing" at this point. They were thoroughly tested and everyone on sisi (even non MS pilots) loved them. MS were to have a role as a cap killer and gave MS pilots a reason to throw their 16+ bil ships into a cap fight.
The MS changes were one of the anticipated highlights of Domion even when enthusiasm about Sov began to wane.
Then shortly before Dominion MS were quietly changed to a completely neutered version of the ship that had been tested and approved. It was still a bit better than the Tranq version but fell far short of what was needed. Players told CCP as much.
In response CCP pulled another revamp out of its ass. While the latest proposal was better for MS pilots it would also turn the MS into the ultimate station gank machine. It was a bad idea for the game as a whole and players said so.
In the end, the Devs got their feelings hurt and decided to punish players by doing nothing at all. If this wasn't bad enough, the voice that tried to justify taking our new MS from us was a Dev who on multiple occasions demonstrated that he has zero experience with capitals and capital fleet combat apart from spreadsheets
CCP did not react to the eve community the best they could. The community was shouting for CCP to implement the original MS changes the entire time. CCP got yelled at because the new changes were BAD and anyone who knew anything about capital warfare knew that.
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Shasta Racka
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Posted - 2009.12.09 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Vengeance Raze Edited by: Vengeance Raze on 08/12/2009 19:08:37
Originally by: LordSwift If you want to make ships able to survive these attacks then its not very Doomsday is it. Might as well just call the Amarr DD "HyperBeam" or something. when you are primaried by a titan you should not expect to live.
This is such a ******ed arguement.
Ok, so you believe in this mantra? So a Titan fires its DD, the target should expect to die in one go. What is the target is another Titan?!
Then is it ok for something to survive the DD of megahyperbeamdeathforcego5 cannon?!
Titans and MoM's are BOTH supercapitals.
Titans and MoM's are BOTH bound to an undocked space exsistance.
Titans and MoM's are BOTH far more expensive than regular capitals due to the build cost in terms of materials.
They should BOTH be able to survive a DD, one can, one can not. This is wrong.
Go back to pre-school. Do not pass go. Do not collect pocket money.
The titan still has what, a 10 minute timer before they can take another shot? This is just my personal opinion, but I think the Titan should be able to one one-shot anything in the game, at least since they removed AOE DD. Motherships may need boosts in some other areas, but survivability specifically against DDs should not be one of them, IMO. Since Titans can no longer kill fleets of BSes what is their new role? One-shotting.
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Kowaii Rabbit
o1nk
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:28:00 -
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Yes, it all sounds very rational when we think in terms of Star Wars Death Stars. Difference is, this isn't a movie, and there weren't dozens of Death Stars roaming the galaxy and getting more numerous by the day.
If things don't change, it will soon become extremely dangerous to move cap ships anywhere and they will completely lose any function they had. Repping POS with carriers, sieging POS with dreads, cynoing to POS or even stations, undocking, any kind of pvp is going to become extremely hazardous even if there is a single neutral/hostile in the system if it's packing a cyno and actively looking for a target. The whines are only going to increase and get louder as caps start insta-popping all over Eve for doing mundane cap ship tasks that shouldn't be considered risky in the extreme. 秋田市 EZY English 英会話スクール http://www.ezy-english.com/ |
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Stygian Knight
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vengeance Raze
They should BOTH be able to survive a DD, one can, one can not. This is wrong.
LOL.... as mentioned MS can easily tank 1 DD there is no question about it...
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:30:00 -
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HAHA
see, there i was taking a break from eve as it was getting boring and dull!
then one day i logged in and saw nice planets and new starfields and i liked the browser aso.
then i checked the forums and realized CCP really doesn't have any people who know **** about QA.
so there i leave again and laugh!
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Scam Watcher
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:31:00 -
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funny how no one made a big deal when the AOE Doomsday had the EXACT same capability to wipe out multiple billions of ISK in BS with one button press. I guess MS pilots are entitled to whine more about it than BS pilots? Because when there's fewer people flying motherships it means more people will pay attention to you?
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.09 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Scam Watcher funny how no one made a big deal when the AOE Doomsday had the EXACT same capability to wipe out multiple billions of ISK in BS with one button press.
Ehm… they did, that's why we got the new one. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
fuze
Gallente Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.12.09 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Nichols CCP did not react to the eve community the best they could. The community was shouting for CCP to implement the original MS changes the entire time. CCP got yelled at because the new changes were BAD and anyone who knew anything about capital warfare knew that.
In addition they didn't explain why the unmade these changes and they left all pilots in moms out to dry because they couldn't make up their mind. We're now at 1.02 of Dominion and they still didn't address this.
How can you be sure as a player to help CCP with upcoming changes that can be scrapped on a whim? How does it comply with the stated policy that CCP wants to listen to their playerbase as much as they can? Yet failing again at communicating properly with the players.
All blogs about Dominion were superficial and only brought up more questions by the players. They also gave the impression that they were rushed and showed off the self importance of the writers.
I don't think you can blame individual devs for this but this has to do with the higher ranks. CCP recruited quite a few veteran players and they have come up with great enhancements for the game. Those people have shown to be a bigger asset to the game development than the self claiming experts of the game who have thus far made a string of bad decisions. Since Noah and Torfri have been lead devs the playerbase has been more restless than before. They really should ask themselves if they are the right people for the job.
Originally by: The Mittani Where's the excellence?
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Stygian Knight
Originally by: Vengeance Raze
They should BOTH be able to survive a DD, one can, one can not. This is wrong.
LOL.... as mentioned MS can easily tank 1 DD there is no question about it...
so can a damnation, if it wants to... so..? - putting the gist back into logistics |
Duries Kain
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Posted - 2009.12.09 11:20:00 -
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Fit for EHP and resistances not triple rep?
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McFly
C0LDFIRE
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Posted - 2009.12.09 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift
no one answered my question before, Whats the delay on a DD after firing. Can one be killed during that time? If so whats the issue?
Since no one is answering this guy I figured I'd point it out for the thread.
Titans cannot cloak or jump for 10 minutes, however they dont stop moving while firing the DD (just kinda slow down a bit) then with a set of nomads and a nanofit they are in warp about 30-40 seconds after their DDD goes off.
Now MS Pilots should be able to avoid this without a spy giving up where they'll be and when (in a travelling scenario). However if you are outside the pos shields, and a cyno opens 150km away, 30 seconds later you are dead. and without the speed of pre quantum rise, no HIC is gonna tackle the two titans that are warping off grid by the time you stop lagging from the ship exploding.
In all reality what people are saying in this thread is there is NOTHING that ANYONE can do to prevent this from happening with the exception of not logging in.
The only thing I can think of that would allow a supercap to move and cyno safely is... cyno opens at pos mothership jumps another pilot shoots cyno pilot (destroying cyno) cyno pilot warps mothership cloaks and approaches shields and prays for the next 10-20 minutes it takes to get in the shield.
If everything is timed right and there isn't a covops watching your tower, you will be ok. Otherwise, Dont Login.
Titans are just like everything else has been in eve since day one. More is better. 150 Enemy BS lets bring 200 BS. they have 5 titans, lets bring 10. Even if it takes 10 titans to instagib a ms, then the big powerblocs will bring 10 to the grid just to do it. The only negating factor will be whether or not enough titans are online at that moment, or whether or not the alliance has enough allied/coalition titans to do the job. Instadeath means no mitigating factor in eve combat works. No Reps, no remote reps no triage, nothing. You are dead and that's it.
HICs/dictors are no longer need to kill a mom, HICs/Dictors can't tackle the offending titan in these situations.
two things needed imo. 1.) Titan should be stuck on grid for a period of time 2.) Mom needs it's SiSi Testing circa October HP Boost.
Disclaimer: I am a mothership pilot, and no I'm not logging it in. But I think it's bull**** that I have to lock up an 80mil SP character for the foreseeable future because CCP couldn't make a decision. Not to mention years of work and a lot of isk invested in my space mobilehome/trophy completely useless ship I'm not selling. I'm not selling becuase 1) no one will buy for what I believe to be it's value. 2) I shouldn't have to sell a ship I spent years working for because CCP screwed up.
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Krypton VI
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Posted - 2009.12.09 21:00:00 -
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no fraps? Boo!
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2009.12.10 08:14:00 -
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This thread doesn't make it clear if all motherships would be destroyed by one shot from a Titan, or just this one. Perhaps the Mothership was a carelessly-fitted mission-runner, and couldn't handle a PvP encounter?
Some questions: 1. Can a Carrier be fitted to absorb a shot from a Titan? 2. Can a Mothership be fitted to absorb a shot from a Titan?
If the answers are yes/no I'd be very interested to learn why.
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