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Ivalobon
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:09:00 -
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I live in the UK and I have found my self in a bit of a situation, each month I have to gather about 1 billion isk in order to play eve. I run 3 accounts and have done for many years, I could not go back to playing with just 2 or even 1 account, so I am stuck with paying ú45.00 a month or gathering 1 billion isk a month for 3 x 30 day plex. 1 billion isk is the equal of a lot of lvl 4 missions and the time spent doing these missions is more commitment than I feel is healthy for a computer game. To be brutally honest being somewhat forced into do this each month is sucking the life out of the game for me. Even a player running 2 accounts (wing man) has to make 600 million isk a month or pay ú30.00p a lot of money in the current world financial climate.
The options of constant grinding of lvl 4 missions or god forbid hours of endless mining to gather this isk must surly be making Eve a very boring game indeed for not just my self but for many more players as well. I am guilty of commit far to much time to the game as it is and I now find paying cash for the game to be a non-viable option.
Putting it bluntly then I find I am unable to explore other aspects of eve because I now have to commit all my free time to gathering isk for the plex. I realise there are other options to be taken here, but I feel as if I am being forced down a path not of my choice.
So then to the point in question, ôA question of balanceö IMHO this puts into question the reasoning behind the innovation of the 30-day Plex. Are these 30-day plex tipping the game out of balance? I have said how the option or to put it another way the temptation of the plex is ruining the game for me personally. But on a broader plain is the plex giving an advantage to those who are able to buy the 30-day plex cheaper than others, simply because of where they live.
If I could buy cheaper plex I could use them to speed up my progression in the game, freeing up my limited time to explore more of the game and the ability to recover faster from ship loss. Which brings us to the question.
Is the Plex giving those who are able to buy them cheaply a big advantage over the rest of us?
If the answer to this question for you were to be a resounding yes, then I would submit that the Plex is indeed tipping the game out of balance. Not because of its invention but simply because of ability to buy them cheaply because of where you live in the world.
I hope you are able to see my point here, if I have failed to do that in a friendly and constructive way I apologise.
Fly safe have fun
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:11:00 -
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So what you are saying is that you think you should be able to play eve for free and not require a significant amount of ISK for it?
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TigerXtrm
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:17:00 -
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Oh please, being able to pay for EVE with ingame currency is a privilege CCP gave us, not one you are entitled to.
If you have a problem, go and fix it. You have three accounts, if you can't pay for them then don't have three accounts. Figure out a budget you want to spend on this game on a monthly basis and keep to it. If your budget comes out for just 2 accounts, sucks to be you, one account has to go.
Pay for the game like the rest of us and stop complaining about a privilege you'll find on no other MMO.
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:17:00 -
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You have 3 accounts.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:20:00 -
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Oh isn't this hilarious.
"It is such a burden for me to run these three accounts, but I MUST keep doing it even though it's crushing my will to live."
The rest of your post is pure nonsense. Cancel two of your accounts. Start hating EVE 66% less. End of story.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. EVE has devs that care about sound? (Ha ha ha! Gotcha. It actually doesn't!) |
Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:22:00 -
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I live in the UK too, and I found paying for my sub in 6 month installments means I get it cheaper, roughly ú11 per month. If it comes down to not affording that in real money for a while, then I'll use ISK for one or both of my accounts to pay for the game, but right now I'm happy paying the reduced amount every 6 months.
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Ivalobon
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ivalobon on 09/12/2009 14:25:09 To be honest I am not able to find an answer to this its just a fact that I have to spend every available moment running lvl 4 missions each month just to run some more the following month it is making the game very very very boring for me. Its the time commitment being forced upon me I find disturbing.
I supose at the end of the day eve may be a little over priced.
But the bigger question is, are the 30-day plex knocking the game out of balance. Please do not focus on my personal situation but rather on the point of the post.
Other opinions are available
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:28:00 -
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What point? ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
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Ivalobon
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ivalobon on 09/12/2009 14:29:47
Originally by: WarlockX What point?
Well your aparent inability to read for one
Thread dead bring on the trumpets
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 09/12/2009 14:33:14
Originally by: Ivalobon I run 3 accounts and have done for many years, I could not go back to playing with just 2 or even 1 account, so I am stuck with paying ú45.00 a month or gathering 1 billion isk a month for 3 x 30 day plex.
If you can't afford the former and don't want to do the latter your screwed. If you can't shut down one or even two of your account, seek help.
To be a bit more helpful: farm datacores to have some passive income which can lessen the grind for ISK considerably.
EDIT: About that "balance": are you complaining that those with RL money can buy PLEXes and get ISK?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:33:00 -
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Drop two accounts and you wouldn't have to run so many missions.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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TigerXtrm
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:34:00 -
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Nothing is being forced on you dude. It's YOUR choice to have 3 accounts and it's YOUR choice to pay for them with ISK. So it's also YOUR choice to be running missions all month long and then complaining about not having time to play the game, thus creating the most ******ed paradox ever.
If you don't want to be running missions the whole time then just pay for your account with money. If that's not an option, get rid of one of your accounts and deal with it.
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:35:00 -
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What I read is that you put yourself into a silly situation and now are mumbling something about your life being sucked away. I can do that too you know.. I can create 100 accounts and then complain that I have to grind 30 billion a month. PLEASE CCP DON'T MAKE ME GRIND 30 BILLION! ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
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Jove
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:36:00 -
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Drop two accounts. Pay for the other one in actual monies. Buy a large collection of T1 frigs. Join some sort of hardcore 0.0 PvP corp. You'll enjoy EVE more in a single month of that than in an entire year of L4s. |
WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:40:00 -
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Here's something to think about:
Let's imagine for a second that you paid for 1 account. The same amount of effort you put in to accomplish nothing right now could be used to fund 1B worth of pvp ships a month! Doesn't that sound like so much more fun? ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
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Boink'urr
Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jove Drop two accounts. Pay for the other one in actual monies. Buy a large collection of T1 frigs. Join some sort of hardcore 0.0 PvP corp. You'll enjoy EVE more in a single month of that than in an entire year of L4s.
Or even better - drop 1 account, pay for one and isk the other. 300 M a month with 2 accounts is not that hard to accomplish no?
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Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:50:00 -
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Accomplishment unlocked! The game is playing you.
Cancel the spare accounts or pay for them. This is ridiculous. |
nihlanth
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.09 14:55:00 -
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This is not about balance, this is about common sense business practice.
If PLEX was so cheap that nearly any casual gamer could purchase it with in game currency, then CCP would not be making very much money, and we would loose the two expansions a year and other goodies CCP provides us with.
Heck we're even lucky CCP offers us such a fantasitc system.
My solution for you is: sell the two characters that you use the least or have the least amount of sentimental attachment with. This way, you can make several billions of isk to keep the subscription for just one character up for over a year without paying a smidget of real life currency.
Or you can use that extra isk to invest in trading/exploring/etc... in eve to make even more isk...
I used to have two accounts, but piloting two characters at once ruins the feeling of continuity in the game, and you feel less attachment to your main character. The game becomes a job and is far too stressful to even maintain two characters. I quit eve a little over a year ago because of this, and once I sold my second account, I had enough money to invest in making more isk and enjoying the game more.
With only one character/account it forces you to become more of a team player.
Its very likely the OP is a troll but I responded anyway to address those that are trying to maintain multiple accounts. Believe me, life is much better with just one account :) I enjoy the game now more than ever before.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:02:00 -
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Came here expecting to see something about a game imbalance... all I saw was some jerk whining that he can play EVE on 3 accounts without paying for it while I have to fork over cash to play on 1 account.
Pick Three: Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success |
Tusalda
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:11:00 -
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Question is how you look at EVE.
In case you have lots of spare time and not much RL money then the option to buy PLEX with ISK is a nice one because it allows you to spend time in EVE basically for free.
In case you have scarce spare time and enough RL money then the option to sell gametime codes via PLEX for ISK is another nice one since you are able to afford upgrades without having to cut to much into your recreational time budget (eg. sleep).
So my suggestion is that you ask yourself quickly how many hours (x) you need to spend gathering ISK in EVE for PLEX to keep your accounts alive, then figure out how many hours (y) you would have to spend on a RL occupation to gather the funds to pay for subscriptions.
Then imagine how much hazzle you have while keeping your accounts alive through ingame (hx) and real live (hy).
Then examine if x*hx is bigger or smaller than y*hy.
I think after a short while you'll notice that it's more fun to spend ~5h a month (local situation where i live) driving pizza instead of gathering ISK for PLEX ingame >10h every week.
Your mileage may vary, it's your choice to see EVE as a job - but in case you do so i suggest you pick the one with the best ROI.
Tusalda
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:17:00 -
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OK, you fail at Eve...
If you cannot make ISK to support 3 accounts without having to grind level 4 missions for ages on end, then try rethinking your strategy. Perhaps you are doing something wrong?
I have 10 accounts, paid in ISK for the most part for the last 2 years or so, and I hardly ever carebear. I sell chars and do market pvp - because, frankly my main interest is in pvp and I cannot be arsed to do mission grind except for a purpose, such as R&D standings.
Don't whine about being able to play Eve free of charge. Whine about failing at making money enough to pay your subscription...
Amanda Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ivalobon I run 3 accounts and have done for many years, I could not go back to playing with just 2 or even 1 account
Why?
Quote: so I am stuck with paying ú45.00 a month or gathering 1 billion isk a month for 3 x 30 day plex.
No, really, why?
Quote: 1 billion isk is the equal of a lot of lvl 4 missions and the time spent doing these missions is more commitment than I feel is healthy for a computer game.
Yes, so why are you doing it?
Quote: To be brutally honest being somewhat forced into do this each month is sucking the life out of the game for me.
So… why are you doing it?
Quote: Even a player running 2 accounts (wing man) has to make 600 million isk a month or pay ú30.00p a lot of money in the current world financial climate.
Not really, no.
Quote: The options of constant grinding of lvl 4 missions or god forbid hours of endless mining to gather this isk must surly be making Eve a very boring game indeed
So don't.
Quote: I realise there are other options to be taken here, but I feel as if I am being forced down a path not of my choice.
How are you being forced? And how is refusing to run any less than 3 accounts and refusing to pay money not your choice?
Quote: IMHO this puts into question the reasoning behind the innovation of the 30-day Plex.
What? Would you rather give you money to RMTers than to CCP?
Quote: Are these 30-day plex tipping the game out of balance?
Depends. What kind of balance are we talking about?
Quote: But on a broader plain is the plex giving an advantage to those who are able to buy the 30-day plex cheaper than others, simply because of where they live.
So?
Quote: If I could buy cheaper plex I could use them to speed up my progression in the game
What kind of progression?
Quote: Is the Plex giving those who are able to buy them cheaply a big advantage over the rest of us?
No. Also, come to think of it, where do you get the idea that it's cheaper for some? Everyone can buy them from the same place for the same cost… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Narf Point
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:21:00 -
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I believe the OP is actually complaining that he has to pay ú15.00 / character / month ($24.49 per Google) to play Eve. His only other option* is buying a 30 day PLEX. OP's problem with this, I believe, is people using US Dollars to buy the 60 Day GTCs are still only spending $35 for the pair (or whatever the cost is).
Having said that, OP, have you looked at buying GTCs yourself? You'll probably be charged a little extra for a currency conversion fee, but if you buy from a US dealer, it'd probably save you ú3 - ú4 / character / month.
As for the question of "Do plexes unbalance the game?", a person pays $35 for effectively 2 plex. Those go for around 300m each, so it's 600m. That's enough for some shiny toys, but you can blow through that in an instant. Besides, is it really so bad that people not suffering financially can enable other players to join in the fun?
* - Only option to continue playing Eve with 3 accounts.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:25:00 -
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If you live in UK.. or any european country. Working 1/5 of these hours you spend with level 4 will earn you MUCH MUCH more than the $45 you need ..
think on that. Its pretty simple in fact. Using GTC to play is nonsense to anyone that is not a childreen, unable to get a credit card or someoen with a disease that keeps you stuck at your bed 23/7 anyway...
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HowardStern
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:31:00 -
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lolf
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:39:00 -
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I am so rich that I could run 5 accounts for several years without any income. that said I dont realy use my 2 possible alts or even think about runing a second account. To much work, to much split attention and I dont want a second job. You dont need 3 accounts and if it spoils the fun for you its time to close two of them.
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SlayerOfArgus
Gallente The Industrial Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.09 15:45:00 -
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You could even sell one of those accounts for in game isk. I mean I'd buy one off of you. I need another account to help me with lvl 4's and I'm willing to offer ingame isk for it.
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ChakanForever
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Posted - 2009.12.09 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ivalobon nonsense/gibberish
First of all, you don't HAVE to do anything. You don't HAVE to have three accounts. You don't HAVE to grind missions/isk to pay for 1,2,9000+ accounts completely on plex. Why not make your life easier and just cough have the relatively minuscule amount of money per month to play. Too much? Well my friend, if $15 dollars is too much for the asking, I believe you really need to reconsider your other spending habits.
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Captain Muscles
Clan Farthammer
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Posted - 2009.12.09 16:15:00 -
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Since you've been training these characters for years, if you put one of those characters up for sale in the character trade forum you could probably make enough isk to run the other two accounts for a decent amount of time. If you want to you can keep all three accounts and just train a new character to replace the sold one.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.09 16:18:00 -
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I run 4 accounts, pay by plex and have probably run a total of 10 missions this year.
What do you need 3 accounts for where you have to grind missions for ISK. You must have a really fail play style.
Originally by: Tirus Sinobi Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
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