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Gritchee
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:44:00 -
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What if concord could interfere in highsec as soon as you flip a can from someone that is not in your team/corp.
This would stop can flipping right there and could be an incentive for macrominers to start jetcan mining which is the most productive way to mine anyways....It would also be good on newbies which already struggles with low yeild.
I'm sick of can flippers. I got an alt with an orca but its so much faster with 2 hulks and then haul with the orca. I don't want to start macromining either...
Anything wrong with this idea? I'm talking only in highsec.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: darius mclever on 09/12/2009 20:57:11
Originally by: Gritchee What if concord could interfere in highsec as soon as you flip a can from someone that is not in your team/corp.
first of all can flipping is some kind of baiting. and lots of 1v1 in highsec start with taking from each others cans.
Originally by: Gritchee
This would stop can flipping right there and could be an incentive for macrominers to start jetcan mining which is the most productive way to mine anyways....It would also be good on newbies which already struggles with low yeild.
Let me introduce you to the wonders of an orca. 179,000 m^3 flying cargo and huge bonuses to mining yield.
Originally by: Gritchee
I'm sick of can flippers. I got an alt with an orca but its so much faster with 2 hulks and then haul with the orca. I don't want to start macromining either...
Anything wrong with this idea? I'm talking only in highsec.
Oh so you know about the hulk and still claim that jet can mining is more efficient? imho you just need more friends. and i am sure your numbers are wrong. with an orca you got over 40% more yield from a hulk combined with the fact that you dont have to dock every 5-10minutes which costs you easily 2-3minutes, you would easily be more efficient with a hulk+orca. bring another miner and you definitely beat docking up and of course also jet can mining.
all in all no ... can flipping should stay, even for highsec.
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Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.09 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gritchee ...could be an incentive for macrominers...
Unholy rage!
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.12.09 21:08:00 -
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Pretty bad troll. 1/10.
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Gritchee
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Posted - 2009.12.09 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Gritchee on 09/12/2009 21:27:38 Edited by: Gritchee on 09/12/2009 21:26:49 Edited by: Gritchee on 09/12/2009 21:24:49
Originally by: darius mclever Edited by: darius mclever on 09/12/2009 20:57:11
Originally by: Gritchee What if concord could interfere in highsec as soon as you flip a can from someone that is not in your team/corp.
first of all can flipping is some kind of baiting. and lots of 1v1 in highsec start with taking from each others cans.
Originally by: Gritchee
This would stop can flipping right there and could be an incentive for macrominers to start jetcan mining which is the most productive way to mine anyways....It would also be good on newbies which already struggles with low yeild.
Let me introduce you to the wonders of an orca. 179,000 m^3 flying cargo and huge bonuses to mining yield.
Originally by: Gritchee
I'm sick of can flippers. I got an alt with an orca but its so much faster with 2 hulks and then haul with the orca. I don't want to start macromining either...
Anything wrong with this idea? I'm talking only in highsec.
Oh so you know about the hulk and still claim that jet can mining is more efficient? imho you just need more friends. and i am sure your numbers are wrong. with an orca you got over 40% more yield from a hulk combined with the fact that you dont have to dock every 5-10minutes which costs you easily 2-3minutes, you would easily be more efficient with a hulk+orca. bring another miner and you definitely beat docking up and of course also jet can mining.
all in all no ... can flipping should stay, even for highsec.
From my experiences it was not a 1v1 but a 3v1 :(
And no my numbers aren't wrong. Read the halada's mining guide. The orca gives huge bonuses but if you have the choice between 2 hulks and 1 hulk + 1 orca, 2 hulks are better. Things change with more than 2 hulks however. Its easy to see that. A fully fitted orca with full bonuses will boost you by 42% not 100% (second hulk).
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.12.09 21:36:00 -
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The idea is bad, since you are asking for a major change in looting mechanic just because you don't want to reduce your mining efficiency for security. Not to mention using jetcans for mining was never intended, just tolerated, so there is little reason to suddenly make radical changes to looting to encourage it.
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Gritchee
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Posted - 2009.12.09 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue The idea is bad, since you are asking for a major change in looting mechanic just because you don't want to reduce your mining efficiency for security. Not to mention using jetcans for mining was never intended, just tolerated, so there is little reason to suddenly make radical changes to looting to encourage it.
Now I understand why there is so much macrominers out there.
I still think my arguments makes sense but anyways.
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Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.09 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gritchee
Now I understand why there is so much macrominers out there.
yes,blame the game for all that dishonest people out there..it really make you ideia more ressonable... Wait!
Quote: I still think my arguments makes sense but anyways.
Your argument is "I dont like how an valid tactic is used against me, despite being only possible because I dont take the proper, and easy to take, mesures to protect myself"
I sugest you to stop to make yourself look like a fool.
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I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game. |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.12.09 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gritchee
From my experiences it was not a 1v1 but a 3v1 :(
And no my numbers aren't wrong. Read the halada's mining guide. The orca gives huge bonuses but if you have the choice between 2 hulks and 1 hulk + 1 orca, 2 hulks are better. Things change with more than 2 hulks however. Its easy to see that. A fully fitted orca with full bonuses will boost you by 42% not 100% (second hulk).
that means you still fly a max throughput hulk which has what 9000-1000m^3 cargo... thats filled up within 5minutes. then you fly to the station. unload. undock fly back to the belt. this costs you easily 2-3minutes. as soon as you strip the MLUs for more cargo your throughput becomes much lower. and nobody serious jetcan mines anymore.
so with the orca can stay in the belt for 45-50minutes depending on the skills of the miner and orca pilot. you should keep the docking time in your calculation and i am sure it moves towards the orca much faster.
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2009.12.09 22:07:00 -
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Jetcan mining is an exploit too, just an approved one (like canflipping).
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.09 22:45:00 -
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An easy issue to help with can flipping would be to go back to pre-RMR. If jet-containers belong to noone, noone will complain it's "theirs" and we'd have no problem anymore. And if someone comes up with the idea to flag jet containers in the future - "well, we tried that once. didn't work." --- "Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign for a diseased mind." -Terry Pratchett |
Gritchee
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Posted - 2009.12.09 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Gritchee on 09/12/2009 22:48:51
Originally by: Pan Dora
Originally by: Gritchee
Now I understand why there is so much macrominers out there.
yes,blame the game for all that dishonest people out there..it really make you ideia more ressonable... Wait!
Quote: I still think my arguments makes sense but anyways.
Your argument is "I dont like how an valid tactic is used against me, despite being only possible because I dont take the proper, and easy to take, mesures to protect myself"
I sugest you to stop to make yourself look like a fool.
And I suggest you learn to read the whole post before insulting me. But you're probably a can flipper yourself with that attitude.
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Ozone71
Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Command
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Posted - 2009.12.10 00:34:00 -
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Firstly, stealing from jet cans can net a noob player a nice amount of isk - if you pick the right cans to steal from. A few million in one hour for a day old toon is more than what they would get doing level 1 missions.
You have the right to defend yourself by shooting or setting drones on the noob, but at the risk that they have a backup team waiting to pounce on you.
Its all about bluff.
Do you have a set of corpies nearby? Do they? Are they just a lone Indy pilot stealing your precious ore for ISK... or is it a trap...or are you the one laying the trap?
EvE allows you to play bluffs and double bluffs like a masterful game of poker. CONCORD stands aside to let this game play out and so it should.
Also .. on the subject of Jet Can Mining. Yeah its a kind of exploit .. but no one does it any more? Get real. Of course no one in their right mind jet cans in a highly populated area.. but then again .. who of you has mined away from the crowd?
Jet Can mining is not "safe" but nothing in Eve is. Whilst I love mining in a small team with an Orca nearby, of the corpies are away I'll jet can now and then. So I lose a can every so often? Big deal! That may be a 3% loss over a week, compared to the boost I get from faster throughput. "Ozone is blue and smells faintly of geraniums." (Qi, BBC TV) |
grazer gin
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Posted - 2009.12.10 01:11:00 -
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I vote NO to making eve a even safer place
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Czert ElPrezidente
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Posted - 2009.12.10 01:21:00 -
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I read this thread carefully and I must say - it gives me new informations, and which is best interesing way how to earn some more money with relative low risk. Muhahahahahahah.
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Metalcali
Pacific Industrials
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Posted - 2009.12.10 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gritchee Edited by: Gritchee on 09/12/2009 22:48:51
Originally by: Pan Dora
Originally by: Gritchee
Now I understand why there is so much macrominers out there.
yes,blame the game for all that dishonest people out there..it really make you ideia more ressonable... Wait!
Quote: I still think my arguments makes sense but anyways.
Your argument is "I dont like how an valid tactic is used against me, despite being only possible because I dont take the proper, and easy to take, mesures to protect myself"
I sugest you to stop to make yourself look like a fool.
And I suggest you learn to read the whole post before insulting me. But you're probably a can flipper yourself with that attitude.
I have read the entire thread and started thinking the same thing as Pan Dora, but gave it a chance since you made a decent OP with proper suggestions and not typical complaints. However, seeing your responses to other people, again mainly Pan Dora, you are proving her statement correct.
I don't can flip others, mine myself into a can at times being in a quiet system when I do, and support the act as proper in game, even with the chance it can happen to me. Saying someone else is a can flipper and tossing their post aside because of the words they used to describe you shows your thought process on this subject and anyone who disagrees with your original idea, so sadly this you have proven her correct. ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Locked.
OP does not contain an idea.
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