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5pinDizzy
Amarr Pillow Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.10 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 10/12/2009 12:54:04
...but two things.
1. Quote: Whaaa, I can't play the game.
Are you telling me there is even one player out there that flies a mothership that isn't an alt? Just leave them logged for now.
It's always the people with loads of alts that have the truely serious isk wealth.
Oh there might be one somewhere, but all I've seen so far is blatent hippocrisy because it makes their argument sound better.
2. The HP buff that was scrapped by Nozh wouldnt have changed anything.
That mail that keeps going around about the mothership that was one shotted, it would've died even if the original 100% bonus to hitpoints and bombers/fighters made it into Dominion and wasn't scrapped. There was a second Titan sitting there. Yet constantly I keep seeing people talk about how motherships are useless BECAUSE they scrapped the changes, aside from the ones angry that motherships weren't balanced in time or angry at the new titan weapon.
So as other people have asked, exactly how many Doomsdaydevices should it take before the community find it acceptable? Because however many it is, people are still going to make sure they bring enough Titans to gank your mothership and it'll still feel cheap and stupid for that superexpensive pinata you hold dear.
Maybe really you should be either looking back at the Titan doomsdays charging and timer mechanics again but I think most likely;
In a game where there's going to be a finger of death weapon, there's only going to be room at the top for one super expensive supercapital and the Mothership construction cost should be greatly reduced and the mothership pilots reimbursed accordingly.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.12.10 13:08:00 -
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Do you think your 'solution' to the 1. quote is an acceptable one? Because that sounds like a solution for every issue the game has ever had and is propably the reason it is suggested so often. For CCP to knowingly force players who want to play, to stay logged off until some undefined point of time in the future, is about the worst thing they could possibly do. The fact that many of them are alts doesn't make it an acceptable solution, just a bearable one and it still shafts anyone not using an alt.
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cpu939
Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.12.10 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 10/12/2009 13:03:40
...but two things.
1. Quote: Whaaa, I can't play the game.
Are you telling me there is even one player out there that flies a mothership that isn't an alt? Just leave them logged for now.
It's always the people with loads of alts that have the truely serious isk wealth.
Oh there might be one somewhere.
I appreciate that your alt is probably a paying account like any other regardless etc.. Indeed I understand it is stupid but;
It's the blatent hippocrisy of how it's because it makes their argument sound better.
2. The HP buff that was scrapped by Nozh wouldnt have changed anything.
That mail that keeps going around about the mothership that was one shotted, it would've died even if the original 100% bonus to hitpoints and bombers/fighters made it into Dominion and wasn't scrapped. There was a second Titan sitting there. Yet constantly I keep seeing people talk about how motherships are useless BECAUSE they scrapped the changes, aside from the ones angry that motherships weren't balanced in time or angry at the new titan weapon.
So as other people have asked, exactly how many Doomsdaydevices should it take before the community find it acceptable? Because however many it is, people are still going to make sure they bring enough Titans to gank your mothership and it'll still feel cheap and stupid for that superexpensive pinata you hold dear.
Maybe really you should be either looking back at the Titan doomsdays charging and timer mechanics again but I think most likely;
In a game where there's going to be a finger of death weapon, there's only going to be room at the top for one super expensive supercapital and the Mothership construction cost should be greatly reduced and the mothership pilots reimbursed accordingly.
well it wasn't a 100% hp buff it was more like 300% hp buff so that mail with the 2 titans on it unless they got it to 50% armor then dd it would not have insta poped btw tried and tested on the sisi server, also why should ms pilot have to pay i think you'll find most have put there account on ice till the change to mother ships are made
on a personal note i wish ccp would get there finger out and tell the player base what there new idea for the ms is going to be i personal think it will be something useless, a punishment for us the players telling there last idea was wrong on so many levels, there already punishing the ms pilots by not giving them the hp boost and to make anything they do look cool. 0101011 001101111 011011000 110000101110100 01101001011011000 1100101001000000 1001110011000010 11101000111010101 11001001100101
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TimMc
Gallente Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.10 13:23:00 -
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Not giving MS a hp buff has to be one of the stupidest things I've seen in a long while.
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Spurty
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.10 13:24:00 -
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With great power comes great responsibility.
Staying logged off is weak. Sitting there as you have no purpose though, that's not CCPs fault. You skilled for and purchased a ship that can't dock.
No one held a gun to your head.
I have always prefered the idea that DD can destroy another Titan as a counter to Titan blobs. If you fly a Titan, can you really trust the other guy in his? make things edgey
Sadly CCP has not implemented DD as the true finger of death.
Until mother ships become super capitals, stop thinking about them as super capitals. Just a step up from carriers, like cruiser to battle cruiser vs battles ship, that battleship should carry far more powerful weapons.
******ed = cost of motherships, should indeed be 10bill cheaper. Whatever the multiplier is from cruiser to battle cruiser (5mill to 20 or 30 of t1.5 = * 4 ~ 6, so carrier around 700mill, ms 2.8 to 3.6 bill).
Can't wait to see fighter bombers though. Hope they can destroy a super cap in under two mins
I love the concept!
Oh and I'm a cap pilot. No I am not interested in sitting on a ship that can't dock. Honestly, I just Want CCP to bring out these super caps as a New type of ship an leave ms as they are,
more ships please, halt the mighty morphing power rangers crud
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Najenna
Minmatar Minmatar and Gallente Association
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Posted - 2009.12.10 13:48:00 -
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I understand what everyone is saying and I feel for M.S. pilots. I actually feel for all cap pilots except those who fly titans. My idea for the M.S. would be make it a tech 2 version of the Carrier. Higher resists and capable of what C.C.P. was talking about a last year the Mini Dooms Day device. That idea wasn't intended for the M.S. or Carrier but could be a viable option for some more defense. But I strongly feel the M.S. should have tech 2 attributes. Thats just my .02isk.
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Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2009.12.10 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 10/12/2009 14:11:44 Uhm, I may be missing something here, but cant you store motherships (and titans) in capital ship maintenance arrays?
If so why are mothership pilots bawwing? Store the damn thing, its useless anyways, and do something else.
Edit: Posting in a Kanye thread
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente Reverse Psychology.
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Posted - 2009.12.10 14:21:00 -
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Titans are gonna just be killing other titans soon. Someone is gonna drop a bait carrier on a station, get titanpwned, then drop 5 titans on his titan (along with a bunch of other caps cuz why not) and titanpwn it. The fact that your previously almost useless ship is now titan-pwnable and even closer to almost useless is irrelevant. Get em into lowsec or something.
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Sheep Dip
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Posted - 2009.12.10 14:35:00 -
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I am truly sorry for your loss. It sucks to lose a ship.
I remember when I got my first BS. I spent every ISK I had on that baby. I couldn't even afford insurance of a proper fit. I barely had the skill to fly it.
Anyway, I went into 0.0 to mine some and the jerk out of nowhere blows my ship up and laughs!
I had no money and a starter ship. It took me months to get back where I was. It was not fair that he blew up my ship. I did nothing stupid at all. It was not my fault.
CCP, please change the game so that my BS's don't get killed anymore. Thanks.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2009.12.10 19:34:00 -
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CCP, how dare you change our game!
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McFly
C0LDFIRE
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Posted - 2009.12.11 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wen Jaibao
Uhm, I may be missing something here, but cant you store motherships (and titans) in capital ship maintenance arrays?
If you put a ship into a CSMA, and the pos is reinforced you can't get the ship out. Not a good place to store a multi billion isk super capital. Also the ship is vulnerable to theft being held in a CSMA. Also with the loss of Sov 4, CSMA's would be high value targets for your enemies.
In Short it's really not safe to store a mom in a CSMA.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.12.11 04:30:00 -
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Didn't ccp say there were going to do the rest of the capital ship changes before the next expansion as soon as post dominion bug cleanup and tweaking was done?
Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.12.11 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy blatent hippocrisy
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2009.12.11 04:45:00 -
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Look. Just make DD Resist modules for Supercaps. Problem solved.
Making them cheaper just means more of them will be around, and who wants MORE blobs of supercaps? (Blob blob blob). Supercaps shouldn't be getting massive HP buffs, as that just encourages more Titan building since smaller ships can't even scratch Supercap tanks.
Honestly, all the supercap pilots are just whining, they're all super wealthy anyways. Maybe get off your asses and put your damn ships to use, form a fleet, go hunt some Titans? God knows not enough of them die.
The only reason Titans can get away with roaming around just popping anyone they want to is because everybody is too scared of risking their assets.
tl;dr - Supercap pilots grow a pair.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.11 04:59:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.13 22:34:00 -
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Oh this is new.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.14 02:30:00 -
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Change should come from the Titan itself. 90m EHP monsters with 3m HP of damage super-weapon is wrong. They need nerfing both on the EHP and on the DDD side.
PS: 33% reduction in both would be best. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
Spaztick
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.12.14 02:34:00 -
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I understand there's a module to let motherships dock at outposts.
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Celeste Paschendale
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Posted - 2009.12.14 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Muad' Dib Change should come from the Titan itself. 90m EHP monsters with 3m HP of damage super-weapon is wrong. They need nerfing both on the EHP and on the DDD side.
PS: 33% reduction in both would be best.
I dont fly capitals myself at all. But maybe nerfing Titans have some idea? Now that Titans can field ridiculous firepower, maybe they should lose their ship maintenance bays? Maybe remove the bridges and clone vats too? If Titans are superweapons, maybe moms should be superlogistics ships?
But like i said, i dont fly caps so i dont care. Supercaps are really whole can of worms.
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2009.12.14 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Paschendale I dont fly capitals myself at all. But maybe nerfing Titans have some idea? Now that Titans can field ridiculous firepower, maybe they should lose their ship maintenance bays? Maybe remove the bridges and clone vats too? If Titans are superweapons, maybe moms should be superlogistics ships?
But like i said, i dont fly caps so i dont care. Supercaps are really whole can of worms.
Supercaps were a mistake to begin with... and still are.
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Torpir Lee
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.12.14 05:43:00 -
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It's all about risk vs. reward. Would you risk a 50 bil ship to kill a 20 bil ship? Probably. Would you risk two 50 bil ships to kill a 20 bil ship? Maybe. Would you risk three 50 bil ships to kill a 20 bil ship? Unlikely.
So yes, it DOES matter that he was fit poorly, as there was another titan waiting in system, and putting two titans on the line like that is asking for it in some cases, when it gets more popular and people catch on(I'm guessing they already have, which is why we haven't seen that many ganks already).
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.14 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Torpir Lee It's all about risk vs. reward. Would you risk a 50 bil ship to kill a 20 bil ship? Probably. Would you risk two 50 bil ships to kill a 20 bil ship? Maybe. Would you risk three 50 bil ships to kill a 20 bil ship? Unlikely.
So yes, it DOES matter that he was fit poorly, as there was another titan waiting in system, and putting two titans on the line like that is asking for it in some cases, when it gets more popular and people catch on(I'm guessing they already have, which is why we haven't seen that many ganks already).
I'm not following you. It still doesn't matter how he was fitted, he would have died.
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