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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.11.13 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho The GM's intervention has set a depressing precedent. Now it seems if a pirate corps sets up an effective blockade at a lucrative spot and gets "too many kills" they are told to move.
I can only wonder what is going to be next.
thank you for proving my point about clueless assertions.
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.11.13 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho The GM's intervention has set a depressing precedent. Now it seems if a pirate corps sets up an effective blockade at a lucrative spot and gets "too many kills" they are told to move.
I can only wonder what is going to be next.
thank you for proving my point about clueless assertions.
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Zachios Primos
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Posted - 2004.11.13 17:51:00 -
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OK i would disagree with your theory completely, I gank in empire all time time in my scorp or raven. and there is always a risk of losing a ship. its just a matter of picking your targets. and the more of you there are the better your off since the sentry fire switches between its targets, giving you time to rep if you need to. My alt was caught in the ASS gank the other day, and there style is no different then why me and my crew do all the time. although the MWD raven was a nice touch...I'll have to try that out.
The only way that makes it no risk, but no gain at the same time is camping at the 150km mark and sniping everything that comes your way, only way this is profitable is to have an alt or a teammate sitting at the gate collecting the goods. and there is no way to shield boost within sentry range because now everything is considered an act of aggression except for ship scanning. So don't say there is no risk in gate camping in empire. if anything is more so than in 0.0 (only when not counting numbers of attackers) I camp alone in empire also and there is huge risk cause you are taking fire from sentries and from your target and if the happen to scramble you, you better hope you have some wcs fitted or destroy them before its too late for you. ____________________ |
Zachios Primos
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Posted - 2004.11.13 17:51:00 -
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OK i would disagree with your theory completely, I gank in empire all time time in my scorp or raven. and there is always a risk of losing a ship. its just a matter of picking your targets. and the more of you there are the better your off since the sentry fire switches between its targets, giving you time to rep if you need to. My alt was caught in the ASS gank the other day, and there style is no different then why me and my crew do all the time. although the MWD raven was a nice touch...I'll have to try that out.
The only way that makes it no risk, but no gain at the same time is camping at the 150km mark and sniping everything that comes your way, only way this is profitable is to have an alt or a teammate sitting at the gate collecting the goods. and there is no way to shield boost within sentry range because now everything is considered an act of aggression except for ship scanning. So don't say there is no risk in gate camping in empire. if anything is more so than in 0.0 (only when not counting numbers of attackers) I camp alone in empire also and there is huge risk cause you are taking fire from sentries and from your target and if the happen to scramble you, you better hope you have some wcs fitted or destroy them before its too late for you. ____________________ |
Gift
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Posted - 2004.11.13 17:55:00 -
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heres a crazy idea: 1. look at the map, find the system in question 2. click, "ships destroyed in the last hour" 3. If its all "glowy" then dont go there.
It seems that the only reason anyone would care is that the blockade is affecting something they want to do. TOO BAD! Do something else, don't post some crap about "its ruining the game" cuz you cant have everything you want when you want it. What if I wanted to mine ark & bist non-stop in FA space but sometimes they didn't let me, could i then post "FA's ruining the game"!!? ok, I'll go ahead & get that thread started in a bit. Stop asking CCP to adapt the game around you desires.
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Gift
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Posted - 2004.11.13 17:55:00 -
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heres a crazy idea: 1. look at the map, find the system in question 2. click, "ships destroyed in the last hour" 3. If its all "glowy" then dont go there.
It seems that the only reason anyone would care is that the blockade is affecting something they want to do. TOO BAD! Do something else, don't post some crap about "its ruining the game" cuz you cant have everything you want when you want it. What if I wanted to mine ark & bist non-stop in FA space but sometimes they didn't let me, could i then post "FA's ruining the game"!!? ok, I'll go ahead & get that thread started in a bit. Stop asking CCP to adapt the game around you desires.
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.11.13 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zachios Primos OK i would disagree with your theory completely, I gank in empire all time time in my scorp or raven. and there is always a risk of losing a ship. its just a matter of picking your targets. and the more of you there are the better your off since the sentry fire switches between its targets, giving you time to rep if you need to. My alt was caught in the ASS gank the other day, and there style is no different then why me and my crew do all the time. although the MWD raven was a nice touch...I'll have to try that out.
The only way that makes it no risk, but no gain at the same time is camping at the 150km mark and sniping everything that comes your way, only way this is profitable is to have an alt or a teammate sitting at the gate collecting the goods. and there is no way to shield boost within sentry range because now everything is considered an act of aggression except for ship scanning. So don't say there is no risk in gate camping in empire. if anything is more so than in 0.0 (only when not counting numbers of attackers) I camp alone in empire also and there is huge risk cause you are taking fire from sentries and from your target and if the happen to scramble you, you better hope you have some wcs fitted or destroy them before its too late for you.
Hence the 'when done right' bit of my sentence. It for sure isn't 100% riskless, but it can get quite close to that, provided you do it the right way. I'd even say that sniping isn't much less risky, due to the extreme specialization of the setup you have to pack, which makes you quite vulnerable. see covert ops. but it's still quite easy to avoid getting caught if you're prudent. Thanks for the constructive post by the way.
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.11.13 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zachios Primos OK i would disagree with your theory completely, I gank in empire all time time in my scorp or raven. and there is always a risk of losing a ship. its just a matter of picking your targets. and the more of you there are the better your off since the sentry fire switches between its targets, giving you time to rep if you need to. My alt was caught in the ASS gank the other day, and there style is no different then why me and my crew do all the time. although the MWD raven was a nice touch...I'll have to try that out.
The only way that makes it no risk, but no gain at the same time is camping at the 150km mark and sniping everything that comes your way, only way this is profitable is to have an alt or a teammate sitting at the gate collecting the goods. and there is no way to shield boost within sentry range because now everything is considered an act of aggression except for ship scanning. So don't say there is no risk in gate camping in empire. if anything is more so than in 0.0 (only when not counting numbers of attackers) I camp alone in empire also and there is huge risk cause you are taking fire from sentries and from your target and if the happen to scramble you, you better hope you have some wcs fitted or destroy them before its too late for you.
Hence the 'when done right' bit of my sentence. It for sure isn't 100% riskless, but it can get quite close to that, provided you do it the right way. I'd even say that sniping isn't much less risky, due to the extreme specialization of the setup you have to pack, which makes you quite vulnerable. see covert ops. but it's still quite easy to avoid getting caught if you're prudent. Thanks for the constructive post by the way.
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Zypho
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Posted - 2004.11.13 18:12:00 -
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God this is getting anoying, First think when I come into the forums is someone complaining about pirates camping in empire. Dont ask CCP to take care of your problems if they did that for every one in the game it would suck. Dont go down to low sec space if you cant handle it then. Or you can get some guys togather and go down and take them out. But dont come onto the forums making stupid threads like this crying because of empire gate camps. Just wait till shiva comes out then you will be sad
*** Proud Member Of The Curse Alliance *** |
Zypho
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Posted - 2004.11.13 18:12:00 -
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God this is getting anoying, First think when I come into the forums is someone complaining about pirates camping in empire. Dont ask CCP to take care of your problems if they did that for every one in the game it would suck. Dont go down to low sec space if you cant handle it then. Or you can get some guys togather and go down and take them out. But dont come onto the forums making stupid threads like this crying because of empire gate camps. Just wait till shiva comes out then you will be sad
*** Proud Member Of The Curse Alliance *** |
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steaIth
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Posted - 2004.11.13 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian Let me explain this carebear Lorth... Killing, blowing stuff up etc., is FUN!
Empire Camping doesn't hurt the game, it creates a pecking order and draws boundaries... Nubs stay in .5 and above if ur too lazy to check the map.
Having said this the gate camps held by Inferno and Fallchmircher in Azedi and nearby are vexing because these ppl won't even try to fight anyone who presents a challenge. 3 battleships ran from one of our BS and a pirate told me in local they only fight nubs and that I was too experienced.
Still I support gate camping in .4 and below as a feature of the game.
Fallschirmjager have never backed down from a relativily fair fight (i.e we weren't blobbed)and generalising us with the likes of inferno is wrong. we are nothing to do with inferno and as u know we are actualy at war with them.
trevedian you say we wont fight anyone who presents a challenge...this is also wrong.
2004.11.08 - 3 krom bs (none of which are outlaws) sit a gate in azedi smak talking in local in hope that 2 fallschirmjager bs and 1 frigate will attack. 1 fallschirmjager bs (not an outlaw)warps to the gate....you do nothing. so we offer u out to a planet you say "sure" and then the 3 krom bs jump out of system and leave.
2004.11.09 -krom begin to smak on a similar thread to this saying they will meet us in azedi for a fight
2004.11.09 -Fallschirmjager declares war on KR0M
2004.11.09-present day- Krom have yet to be seen
so trevedian ask yourself who realy isn't prepared to fight anyone who presents a challenge?
www.fallschirmjager.net |
steaIth
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Posted - 2004.11.13 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian Let me explain this carebear Lorth... Killing, blowing stuff up etc., is FUN!
Empire Camping doesn't hurt the game, it creates a pecking order and draws boundaries... Nubs stay in .5 and above if ur too lazy to check the map.
Having said this the gate camps held by Inferno and Fallchmircher in Azedi and nearby are vexing because these ppl won't even try to fight anyone who presents a challenge. 3 battleships ran from one of our BS and a pirate told me in local they only fight nubs and that I was too experienced.
Still I support gate camping in .4 and below as a feature of the game.
Fallschirmjager have never backed down from a relativily fair fight (i.e we weren't blobbed)and generalising us with the likes of inferno is wrong. we are nothing to do with inferno and as u know we are actualy at war with them.
trevedian you say we wont fight anyone who presents a challenge...this is also wrong.
2004.11.08 - 3 krom bs (none of which are outlaws) sit a gate in azedi smak talking in local in hope that 2 fallschirmjager bs and 1 frigate will attack. 1 fallschirmjager bs (not an outlaw)warps to the gate....you do nothing. so we offer u out to a planet you say "sure" and then the 3 krom bs jump out of system and leave.
2004.11.09 -krom begin to smak on a similar thread to this saying they will meet us in azedi for a fight
2004.11.09 -Fallschirmjager declares war on KR0M
2004.11.09-present day- Krom have yet to be seen
so trevedian ask yourself who realy isn't prepared to fight anyone who presents a challenge?
www.fallschirmjager.net |
Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.13 18:46:00 -
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You Redistributionists sure complain alot. Why not just invest in some warp bubbles for once. Those are the tools of your trade. Everybody has something like that available to them. Put some money on the line and take on some worthier prey.
Or you could just train a pet monkey to pilot an ibis and char with no skills to keep trying to cross out of 0.5 for bananas all day. You can't really say that you Deserve some superior targets or that they should mine for you afterall. Frankly most of you aren't fun to play with because you frequently count as comrades many that lack verbal or other entertaining cognitive skills. (Which is odd. Surely you must all reveal some banterous felicity during those hours and days long campouts.)
I look forward to PvP shaped by irredentist player empires and "decided" by POS attrition.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.13 18:46:00 -
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You Redistributionists sure complain alot. Why not just invest in some warp bubbles for once. Those are the tools of your trade. Everybody has something like that available to them. Put some money on the line and take on some worthier prey.
Or you could just train a pet monkey to pilot an ibis and char with no skills to keep trying to cross out of 0.5 for bananas all day. You can't really say that you Deserve some superior targets or that they should mine for you afterall. Frankly most of you aren't fun to play with because you frequently count as comrades many that lack verbal or other entertaining cognitive skills. (Which is odd. Surely you must all reveal some banterous felicity during those hours and days long campouts.)
I look forward to PvP shaped by irredentist player empires and "decided" by POS attrition.
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Jorlin
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Posted - 2004.11.13 19:33:00 -
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extremly offtopic....
but someday i want to see the people from "Fallschirmjġger" leaving their ships with parachutes...should look funny in space
no police, no summons, no courts of law; no proper procedure, no rules of war; no mitigating circumstance; no lawyers fees, no second chance! |
Jorlin
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Posted - 2004.11.13 19:33:00 -
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extremly offtopic....
but someday i want to see the people from "Fallschirmjġger" leaving their ships with parachutes...should look funny in space
no police, no summons, no courts of law; no proper procedure, no rules of war; no mitigating circumstance; no lawyers fees, no second chance! |
Cmdr Sp0ck
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Posted - 2004.11.13 19:43:00 -
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Awww come on people... this has been discussed over and over again. Why would gate camping ruin the game??
I mean come on.. 0.4 systems are low security, things like this are supposed to happen! Enjoy the game already. Stop trying to ruin it by wanting risk free reward.
It's the same arguments over and over again. We even have people wanting easy ways into 0.0... |
Cmdr Sp0ck
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Posted - 2004.11.13 19:43:00 -
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Awww come on people... this has been discussed over and over again. Why would gate camping ruin the game??
I mean come on.. 0.4 systems are low security, things like this are supposed to happen! Enjoy the game already. Stop trying to ruin it by wanting risk free reward.
It's the same arguments over and over again. We even have people wanting easy ways into 0.0... |
Reebo77
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho The GM's intervention has set a depressing precedent. Now it seems if a pirate corps sets up an effective blockade at a lucrative spot and gets "too many kills" they are told to move.
I can only wonder what is going to be next.
I agree tbh, I dont think it was right for the GM's to tell them to move on, and I hope this kind of thing doesnt become the norm.
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Reebo77
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho The GM's intervention has set a depressing precedent. Now it seems if a pirate corps sets up an effective blockade at a lucrative spot and gets "too many kills" they are told to move.
I can only wonder what is going to be next.
I agree tbh, I dont think it was right for the GM's to tell them to move on, and I hope this kind of thing doesnt become the norm.
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:21:00 -
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Ok boys. wake up. GMs did NOT tell ASS to move away. Thank you for reading and understanding that sentence. yeah, you can read it again, it might help, GMs did NOT tell ASS to move away.
oh, and empire gatecamping is one of the best examples of low risk vs high reward. Thank you for realising that too.
Even if i disagree about some points the original thread starter makes, i just can't bear the inherent hypocritical bulls floating around pirates posts anymore.
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:21:00 -
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Ok boys. wake up. GMs did NOT tell ASS to move away. Thank you for reading and understanding that sentence. yeah, you can read it again, it might help, GMs did NOT tell ASS to move away.
oh, and empire gatecamping is one of the best examples of low risk vs high reward. Thank you for realising that too.
Even if i disagree about some points the original thread starter makes, i just can't bear the inherent hypocritical bulls floating around pirates posts anymore.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Falhofnir
Hence the 'when done right' bit of my sentence. It for sure isn't 100% riskless, but it can get quite close to that, provided you do it the right way. I'd even say that sniping isn't much less risky, due to the extreme specialization of the setup you have to pack, which makes you quite vulnerable. see covert ops. but it's still quite easy to avoid getting caught if you're prudent. Thanks for the constructive post by the way.
So what? Traveling in 0.0 (so called PvP areas, roflmao) is 100% riskless when done right. I'd say empire space should be even more safer, but not with this ultra-consent PvP-***ness we have in 0.0.
The carebears deserve any beating they can get. They exploit the game daily by using instant jumps, safespots, log off exploits, triple-MWD/8-WCS-ships and can only be caught in empire space when AFK or when they feel safe.
And you wonder why people go to empire to have easy ganks.
Fix the cause not the effect! -- Stories: #1 --
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Falhofnir
Hence the 'when done right' bit of my sentence. It for sure isn't 100% riskless, but it can get quite close to that, provided you do it the right way. I'd even say that sniping isn't much less risky, due to the extreme specialization of the setup you have to pack, which makes you quite vulnerable. see covert ops. but it's still quite easy to avoid getting caught if you're prudent. Thanks for the constructive post by the way.
So what? Traveling in 0.0 (so called PvP areas, roflmao) is 100% riskless when done right. I'd say empire space should be even more safer, but not with this ultra-consent PvP-***ness we have in 0.0.
The carebears deserve any beating they can get. They exploit the game daily by using instant jumps, safespots, log off exploits, triple-MWD/8-WCS-ships and can only be caught in empire space when AFK or when they feel safe.
And you wonder why people go to empire to have easy ganks.
Fix the cause not the effect! -- Stories: #1 --
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 13/11/2004 20:30:13 GM's told ASS to move away from Aunenen because they are planning a major event in those systems.
I want to start a rumour :/
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 13/11/2004 20:30:13 GM's told ASS to move away from Aunenen because they are planning a major event in those systems.
I want to start a rumour :/
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Nafri
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:32:00 -
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omg, this things makes nafri thinking about leaving eve
0.4 = pirate land
so just be smart or die
and why shouldnt pirates have no low risk, high income methods?
pirating the belts is nearly worthless (anyone wants to buy some of my 100+ miner2s ??)
so only camping belts is worth it Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:32:00 -
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omg, this things makes nafri thinking about leaving eve
0.4 = pirate land
so just be smart or die
and why shouldnt pirates have no low risk, high income methods?
pirating the belts is nearly worthless (anyone wants to buy some of my 100+ miner2s ??)
so only camping belts is worth it Wanna fly with me?
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: sally So what? Traveling in 0.0 (so called PvP areas, roflmao) is 100% riskless when done right. I'd say empire space should be even more safer, but not with this ultra-consent PvP-***ness we have in 0.0.
The carebears deserve any beating they can get. They exploit the game daily by using instant jumps, safespots, log off exploits, triple-MWD/8-WCS-ships and can only be caught in empire space when AFK or when they feel safe.
And you wonder why people go to empire to have easy ganks.
Fix the cause not the effect!
Should i put pirates into the carebear category, for they use all those exploits as happily as the aforementioned ones ? Would that make your point look a lot less valid ?
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.11.13 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: sally So what? Traveling in 0.0 (so called PvP areas, roflmao) is 100% riskless when done right. I'd say empire space should be even more safer, but not with this ultra-consent PvP-***ness we have in 0.0.
The carebears deserve any beating they can get. They exploit the game daily by using instant jumps, safespots, log off exploits, triple-MWD/8-WCS-ships and can only be caught in empire space when AFK or when they feel safe.
And you wonder why people go to empire to have easy ganks.
Fix the cause not the effect!
Should i put pirates into the carebear category, for they use all those exploits as happily as the aforementioned ones ? Would that make your point look a lot less valid ?
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