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GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 11/12/2009 11:20:56 I wonder if CCP's ever tracked this stat, or if it's even remotely trackable.
Methinks you could just use the IP address, but that's no guarentee, right?
Anyone wanna guess? I'll say 2 alts per char, though that's probably a low guess. \o |
Ned Black
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:26:00 -
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Most people I know have between 2-3 accounts... a few have only one and some have more than 3... one guy I know have 7 accounts running at the same time on like 3-4 computers :p
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:27:00 -
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I doubt they'd ever release such information. It would immediately diminish how impressive the 54k online etc figures are. Suddenly it's "well, that's only 16k actual people". Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon I doubt they'd ever release such information. It would immediately diminish how impressive the 54k online etc figures are. Suddenly it's "well, that's only 16k actual people".
Disagree. Regardless of how many of those 54k are alts, that's still 54k human controlled chars and that's really all that matters when you're out there. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:31:00 -
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1.17 accounts per player.
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Captian Conrad
Minmatar Empyrean Warriors
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana 1.17 accounts per player.
CCP i demand my embursement of .17 of an account, i will take it in extra SP and isk
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HowardStern
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Navtiqes
Originally by: Gunnanmon I doubt they'd ever release such information. It would immediately diminish how impressive the 54k online etc figures are. Suddenly it's "well, that's only 16k actual people".
Disagree. Regardless of how many of those 54k are alts, that's still 54k human controlled chars and that's really all that matters when you're out there.
So if someone bought 60k accounts, and everyone apart from him left, the game would still appear popular. Assuming he could log them all in at once.
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Wayne Slob
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:44:00 -
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Moot discussion 4tl. They won't reveal the figures.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.12.11 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: HowardStern
Originally by: Navtiqes
Originally by: Gunnanmon I doubt they'd ever release such information. It would immediately diminish how impressive the 54k online etc figures are. Suddenly it's "well, that's only 16k actual people".
Disagree. Regardless of how many of those 54k are alts, that's still 54k human controlled chars and that's really all that matters when you're out there.
So if someone bought 60k accounts, and everyone apart from him left, the game would still appear popular. Assuming he could log them all in at once.
It's a moot point, since hypothetical lol examples don't matter and every other game has alts and they count them all just like EVE.
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Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2009.12.11 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Navtiqes on 11/12/2009 12:01:10
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: HowardStern
Originally by: Navtiqes
Originally by: Gunnanmon I doubt they'd ever release such information. It would immediately diminish how impressive the 54k online etc figures are. Suddenly it's "well, that's only 16k actual people".
Disagree. Regardless of how many of those 54k are alts, that's still 54k human controlled chars and that's really all that matters when you're out there.
So if someone bought 60k accounts, and everyone apart from him left, the game would still appear popular. Assuming he could log them all in at once.
It's a moot point, since hypothetical lol examples don't matter and every other game has alts and they count them all just like EVE.
I know of a guy that plays 16 accounts at the same time using 8 monitors. His alt army passed through my local one time. If he was all I had left to play against then I wouldn't bother, his multitasking was **** ;) He couldn't even align himself for a jump. |
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Alt0101
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Posted - 2009.12.11 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ned Black Most people I know have between 2-3 accounts... a few have only one and some have more than 3... one guy I know have 7 accounts running at the same time on like 3-4 computers :p
I wonder who has the record of multy-accounts and how many he/she has..
I have 2 which is more or less "normal" 3-4 I think you must be a real EVE geek.. but 7??
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Keledia
The Photon Raiders
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Posted - 2009.12.11 12:10:00 -
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I'm sure they've said in one of the QEN's; it was estimated at either just below or just above 2 accounts per person. (I can't quite remember)
However, if i do remember correctly, then they figured it out indirectly with some maths.
I think....
Maybe...
Meh
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Leana Darkrider
Minmatar Creatio -ex- nihilo The Donkey Rollers
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Posted - 2009.12.11 12:13:00 -
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CCP has published these numbers in a Quarterly Economic news last year. The average number of accounts per person is around 2,5
Can't find the link to the document anymore, sorry
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.12.11 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kolatha on 11/12/2009 12:30:08 Edited by: Kolatha on 11/12/2009 12:29:38
Originally by: Leana Darkrider CCP has published these numbers in a Quarterly Economic news last year. The average number of accounts per person is around 2,5
Can't find the link to the document anymore, sorry
Quarterly Economic Newsletter Q1 2009
And it's an average of 2.5 characters per account, not 2.5 accounts per person.
From the QEN, page 9, 3rd paragraph.
- Each account can have up to three characters,
but the average number is 2.5 characters per account. In total, there are more than 660,000 active characters in EVE.
There is another dev blog or QEN, can't be bothered searching for it, that mentions that somewhat less than 20% of all accounts are alt account, and that is an upper estimate. I think a recent blue forum post put it around 16%.
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Opportunity Costs
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.11 12:43:00 -
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There's no way to know it PLUS its more likely CCP wouldnt want to reveal it anyway
IMO the average must be something around 1.5 accounts per real life player.
Yes, there are many guys out there running 2+ accounts but the vaste majority only got one. The lulz factor is these 2+ accounters are the hardcore players who log in 23/7 or maybe 12/7, while the single accounters are more casual and log in 1/3 (1hour a day, 3 days a week)
thats why you dont know them very well. Ofcourse you know better the hardcore ones cause theyre online during all day [crappy work or/and they live on mums settlement]
but dont get confused, 80% or more of the players got 1 account. Not to mention the ratio of trial accounts... LOL __________________________________ - Mining your own minerals doesnt drop your manufacturing costs! - Marginal earnings is what actually counts - Time is isk and enjoyment is isk aswell |
Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.12.11 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Opportunity Costs Ofcourse you know better the hardcore ones cause theyre online during all day
Lets not forget that they also tend to be the ones that hang out on the forums more than most. This skews the perception even more.
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Splash Whale
Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2009.12.11 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Opportunity Costs There's no way to know it PLUS its more likely CCP wouldnt want to reveal it anyway
IMO the average must be something around 1.5 accounts per real life player.
Yes, there are many guys out there running 2+ accounts but the vaste majority only got one. The lulz factor is these 2+ accounters are the hardcore players who log in 23/7 or maybe 12/7, while the single accounters are more casual and log in 1/3 (1hour a day, 3 days a week)
thats why you dont know them very well. Ofcourse you know better the hardcore ones cause theyre online during all day [crappy work or/and they live on mums settlement]
but dont get confused, 80% or more of the players got 1 account. Not to mention the ratio of trial accounts... LOL
Number of accounts owned does not equal the time spent online.
I have 3 accounts myself and I am definately not online alot. Mostly because I happen to have a real life. I just always feel the need to use multiple characters at the same time whenever I play because I can get bored very quickly. In my corp there is also guy's who have 4 or more accounts and they hardly log on any more then I do.
It's mostly based upon what you do in eve and how much you can afford to keep running.
I also dont think CCP can actualy get a clear number of how much accounts there are per person. People use different names, paying methods and computers for different accounts. And with pulling it from IP there is also the point that in large alliances, the CEO/director character for holding corp and cyno alts are usually on shared accounts that are not registered to one exact person.
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Armoured C
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.11 13:20:00 -
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i personally own 2 accounts but one is a perfect miner, but since i am in no need for a miner being paid to blow people up, it is currently unsubbed. The other account i have is this one which is my main and combat pilot.
These are the only 2 accounts that i own.
this would be intresting to find out but it doubt the information would be worth much to know.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.12.11 13:32:00 -
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When looking at numbers like 50k online, I'm guessing that no more than 10k at most are alt-accounts.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.12.11 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Splash Whale
I also dont think CCP can actualy get a clear number of how much accounts there are per person. People use different names, paying methods and computers for different accounts.
I very much doubt that the number of people that use these obfuscating payment methods is anywhere near approaching the numbers you seem to think there are. They are more than likely small enough in numbers that using credit card payment details will give a pretty accurate indication of how many players are using multiple accounts. But only CCP can really know.
Originally by: Splash Whale And with pulling it from IP there is also the point that in large alliances, the CEO/director character for holding corp and cyno alts are usually on shared accounts that are not registered to one exact person.
The number of accounts that fit these criteria is small enough that any statistical deviations they do cause are insignificant.
In short, I'm more inclined to believe the numbers posted by CCP rather than figures thrown about by random forum junkies and backed up by statistical methodology that consists purely of "but everyone I know has multiple accounts".
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Cheer Up
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Posted - 2009.12.11 13:42:00 -
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The majority of fulltime players will have at least 2 accounts. 1 dedicated combat pilot and 1 scan/cloak/scout account. If you look into big alliances there are a lot of guys with 5+ even 10+ accounts. Keep in mind that as soon as you sit in a titan that account is practically blocked unless you share it somehow which is a really rare case. Then you need at least 1 if not 2 cyno accs along with that. 1 hauler/pos account would be real handy too. And since you dont like starring at your big as Erebus all day long you actually need 1 combat pilot for sub caps and or dreads/etc. You see it really ads up quickly if you are taking this eve gaming seriously.
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Elukka
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Posted - 2009.12.11 14:08:00 -
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What's a fulltime player? Someone who plays EVE instead of school or work?
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Esola
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Posted - 2009.12.11 14:18:00 -
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CCP has addressed this question in the past.
Their take was they don't really have a way to determine how many different players are at the other end of the client.
The same credit card might be paying for multiple people, say different family members.
Same for multiple accounts from the same IP address.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.11 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Esola CCP has addressed this question in the past.
Their take was they don't really have a way to determine how many different players are at the other end of the client.
The same credit card might be paying for multiple people, say different family members.
Same for multiple accounts from the same IP address.
ànot to mention the opposite situations, which ruin any chance of useful analysis as well: single individuals running multiple accounts through multiple IPs, single individuals paying for their multiple accounts with PLEXes or GTCs (or, as mentioned, multiple CCs). Everything that could be interpreted as a potential multi-client user can also be interpreted as multiple users, and everything that could be used as an indicator of a single-account user might just as well be a multi-client user. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2009.12.11 16:41:00 -
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Who cares? (Rhetorical question.) All I know now is that there are a lot of losers multiboxing 3+ account's because it gives them the supreme uber pixar advantage (or because they can't play well with others, or are impatient). I say whatever, though, it's their money.
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Simeon Tor
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: HowardStern So if someone bought 60k accounts, and everyone apart from him left, the game would still appear popular. Assuming he could log them all in at once.
I thought the point was that Eve could support 50,000 players. That's the amazing thing, if all 50,000 were one guy then it wouldn't make it any less impressive.
Although there might be more in the news about the guy that can control 50,000 accounts without losing his mind or succumbing to extreme arthritis and eyestrain. |
Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.11 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana 1.17 accounts per player.
0.68 if you include the multiple people running the isk farmers 24 hours a day. |
HowardStern
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Posted - 2009.12.11 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Simeon Tor I thought the point was that Eve could support 50,000 players. That's the amazing thing, if all 50,000 were one guy then it wouldn't make it any less impressive.
In terms of supporting multiple accounts logged in, it would be impressive, sure. But fr subscriber numbers, not so much.
There could follow potential ad campaigns.
- Come join Eve, we have 1 subscriber atm.
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:13:00 -
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I'm betting they have a pretty damned good idea of the number that's just the sort of thing the marketing guys would want to know. I further bet that it is a significant fraction and that's a big part of what drives 'the power of 2'.
Of course they aren't lying either when they say they can't figure it out based on account info that's what Market Surveys are for. They will extrapolate from statistical sampling and get a good idea of what percentage.
My guess is that's it's pretty darn high. The way the training system in EVE is set up and the fact that you can't train more than one character per account pretty much means that if you want to do more than one specific thing as a new player (PVP/Mission,Trade,Manufacture) you pretty much need multiple accounts eve if you don't actively play them it's useful to have on with some skills cooking.
Myself I have 2 accounts one who's a combat pilot primarily (missions/PVP) the other who's mainly logistics focused trained up to fly a hulk and an Orca, He can either semi-afk mine while I do other things with the main or he can bring the Orca into the mission space to help me loot/salvage, I used him to haul me supplies when I was in RVB and he'll do the same when I go back for another round he's also the CEO of my corp so I don't have to resign my main from it should I feel like going to RvB for some pewpew.
The two RL friends I play with each have one alt as well. Though one is wanting to do trading/hauling and the other doesn't quite know what to do with him but he's following a similar path as my logistics guy.
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Ryhss
Caldari Recalled Pleasure-Bots Sanctimony of Bellum
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Posted - 2009.12.11 19:29:00 -
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ONE account. That's all I need. Of course I hate meta/power gaming.
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