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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 11/12/2009 22:10:01
Today, at roughly 2200 hours, the combined forces of the FDU drove the remnants of Caldari Navy and Protectorate resistance from the Federation system of Uphallant, and the system's people have been liberated from Nugoeihuvi corporate control. NOH will no longer be able to harm civilians through their incompetence and carelessness. . . as recorded here Scope news report: NOH attack on convoy
Congratulations to all that participated. I will be planet side to ensure the safety of all Federation citizenry.
Freedom marches on.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.11 22:13:00 -
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This victory marks the restoration of Federal control to the entire Fislipesnes constellation. Good work, defenders of the Federation!
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Marin Baator
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.11 22:14:00 -
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Congratulations to all involved, keep it up!
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Amenosiris
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 22:19:00 -
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Congratulations everyone! Another system taken back from the Caldari that was rightfully ours.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2009.12.12 00:08:00 -
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Let me guess. Tibes Heathcliff's second summer home was built on Uphallant V.
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Kaldor Mintat
Nomads Of Eve
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Posted - 2009.12.12 00:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Andreus LeHane
Let me guess. Tibes Heathcliff's second summer home was built on Uphallant V.
With the kind of bad luck that man seem to have that would not surprise me at all......
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Tibes Heathcliff
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Posted - 2009.12.12 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus LeHane
Let me guess. Tibes Heathcliff's second summer home was built on Uphallant V.
It is kind of funny you would mention that, certainly I had no residential Real Estate holdiongs planetside ... and luckily I was able to divest my investments in that sytem after making a bad bet on the whole Poksu Station project .....
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.12 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter
Nugoeihuvi ... driven from Uphallant
Did you destroy the two NoH stations in Uphallant?
Uphallant IV - Moon 1 - Nugoeihuvi Corporation Development Studio
Uphallant III - Moon 4 - Nugoeihuvi Corporation Development Studio
Or is the FDU's public affairs depart so bad as to ignore the presence of those stations in declaring NoH driven from the system?
Originally by: Julianus Soter
NOH will no longer be able to harm civilians through their incompetence and carelessness. . . as recorded here Scope news report: NOH attack on convoy
Seeing as NoH can still have security forces, Internal Security, defending its assets there are plenty of opportunities for them to screw up.
Perhaps you should bring them to trial? But this could set a precedent and when Roden's Security Service screw up and attack a merchant convoy, a fair judicial system would be expected to treat them equally. Or is justice in the Federation as blind as the Empire?
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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2009.12.12 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
But this could set a precedent and when Roden's Security Service screw up and attack a merchant convoy, a fair judicial system would be expected to treat them equally. Or is justice in the Federation as blind as the Empire?
I must say I expected more from you Mssr. Nederland than to make a definitive statement about the Federal judicial system based solely upon supposition derived from a hypothetical situation. |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2009.12.12 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zagamesh
I must say I expected more from you Mssr. Nederland than to make a definitive statement about the Federal judicial system based solely upon supposition derived from a hypothetical situation.
Mssr. Nederland is not as well known as Stitcher for his impartiality or grip on reality.
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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2009.12.12 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus LeHane
Mssr. Nederland is not as well known as Stitcher for his impartiality or grip on reality.
I believe that is an unfair assessment. I am of the opinion that Mssr. Nederland is an intelligent and capable man whose opinions are firmly grounded in reality, hence the cause of my current disappointment. |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.12 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Nugoeihuvi ... driven from Uphallant
Did you destroy the two NoH stations in Uphallant?
Uphallant IV - Moon 1 - Nugoeihuvi Corporation Development Studio
Uphallant III - Moon 4 - Nugoeihuvi Corporation Development Studio
Or is the FDU's public affairs depart so bad as to ignore the presence of those stations in declaring NoH driven from the system?
Perhaps you should go back and Reread the Press Release. At no point did it state that Nugoeihuvi had been driven from the system.
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Today, at roughly 2200 hours, the combined forces of the FDU drove the remnants of Caldari Navy and Protectorate resistance from the Federation system of Uphallant, and the system's people have been liberated from Nugoeihuvi corporate control
The Caldari Navy has been removed, and Nugoeihuvi no longer administrate the System as a whole. Nugoeihuvi, however, retain control of the Assets within the system that they owned and operated prior to the war.
However, given the amount of ISK that Nugoeihuvi paid out to acquire development rights for the two systems they gained in Heth's Auction there are 3 Things which could happen from here.
1) Nugoeihuvi enter into Negotiations with the Gallente Government towards seeking permission to continue to exercise those 'exclusive' rights under their administration. High Odds however that the Gallente Government would not recognise the Validity of the Auction and could easily point to the clause which only guarantees those rights while the system(s) in question were under Caldari Occupancy to invalidate any Claim Nogoeihuvi may make.
2) Nugoeihevi decide to cut their losses, a period of downsizing will follow which would lead to them selling off high risk assets (from their point of View) such as Facilities within the Warzone.
3) As the Worst Case Scenario, Nugoeihuvi may be crippled too badly Financially to continue as a seperate entity. The company could either completely collapse or be taken over by another Corporation as a Result.
Other scenarios obviously exist as well
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.12 02:44:00 -
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Just curious, are we going to keep getting new threads every time someone loses or gains a system? Because it happens every day and it's all on the map, you know...
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.12 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Nugoeihuvi ... driven from Uphallant
Did you destroy the two NoH stations in Uphallant?
Uphallant IV - Moon 1 - Nugoeihuvi Corporation Development Studio
Uphallant III - Moon 4 - Nugoeihuvi Corporation Development Studio
Or is the FDU's public affairs depart so bad as to ignore the presence of those stations in declaring NoH driven from the system?
Perhaps you should go back and Reread the Press Release. At no point did it state that Nugoeihuvi had been driven from the system.
Aside from the title which is what I quoted.
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Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2009.12.12 03:15:00 -
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Mssr. Nederland you assume that the Megacorporate PMC's operate directly in the Federation and not via a Federation subsidiary they own. As such I believe their subsidiaries would act in accordance with and under Federal law and operational guidelines.
The fact that Internal Security was operating in the Uphallant system can be attributable to the fact that it was under the occupation of the State Protectorate at the time of the incident and not one that should be assumed the norm if the System was still under Federal auspices.
As for this:
Originally by: Dex Nederland
I would be surprised at security firm with a flawless record.
As far as I am aware, Strix Armaments and Defence's own record is pristine. |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.12 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Edited by: Dex Nederland on 12/12/2009 02:54:07
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Nugoeihuvi ... driven from Uphallant
Did you destroy the two NoH stations in Uphallant?
Uphallant IV - Moon 1 - Nugoeihuvi Corporation Development Studio
Uphallant III - Moon 4 - Nugoeihuvi Corporation Development Studio
Or is the FDU's public affairs depart so bad as to ignore the presence of those stations in declaring NoH driven from the system?
Perhaps you should go back and Reread the Press Release. At no point did it state that Nugoeihuvi had been driven from the system.
Aside from the title which is what I quoted.
My apologies for misrepresenting your position, It has been quite a long and eventful week and Rest has been in short supply with the Rapid Changes in the Warzone.
I would ask, however, with events developing the way they have been, whether you think one of the three scenarios I laid out for Nugoeihuvi's Future are a likely outcome or whether you think the future lies in a completely different direction as it looks extremely unlikely that either system will return to State Control in the Near Future.
*Gabriel Turns to face someone off camera as it fades to black, the audio feed cutting out after a short period*
Can't believe I missed that, Must be more tired than I thought, Captain. Going to grab a bit of shuteye, I'd suggest you and your men do the same while you have the chance. Oh, and can you get a hold of one of the Engineers to take a look at this console? The Fluidcom Trasmitter's been acting up a bit recentl....
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.12 03:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Nederland on 12/12/2009 03:46:13
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre
I would ask, however, with events developing the way they have been, whether you think one of the three scenarios I laid out for Nugoeihuvi's Future are a likely outcome or whether you think the future lies in a completely different direction as it looks extremely unlikely that either system will return to State Control in the Near Future.
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre
The Caldari Navy has been removed, and Nugoeihuvi no longer administrate the System as a whole. Nugoeihuvi, however, retain control of the Assets within the system that they owned and operated prior to the war.
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1) Nugoeihuvi enter into Negotiations with the Gallente Government towards seeking permission to continue to exercise those 'exclusive' rights under their administration. High Odds however that the Gallente Government would not recognise the Validity of the Auction and could easily point to the clause which only guarantees those rights while the system(s) in question were under Caldari Occupancy to invalidate any Claim Nogoeihuvi may make.
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Other scenarios obviously exist as well
I will not pretend to speak for the benefit of NoH, their situation is the immediate example of definite State corporate assets which have changed jurisdiction for a second time.
If any corporation had previously been approved to operate under Federal law within a system, I would hope they would be permitted to continue to do so. However, NoH likely made additional infrastructure investment within the system when it was not subject to Federal law. Is this investment now illegal purely from the stand point it was established under a different regime (assuming it isn't something illegal for other reasons, like being a Cartel slaver safe house)?
The auction was more than the selling of development rights, it was also a means of delegating responsibility and a means to minimize internal State conflict in the occupied areas.
So, in the end is there a prohibition on State corporations continuing to make an investment or complete the economic projects (which likely include some aspects of security) in the territories auctioned off by the CPD?
I expect the corporations to deal directly with the Federal government on a case by case basis to resolve the situation. For some this may result in abandonment of projects for others it may actually be a benefit.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
I will not pretend to speak for the benefit of NoH, their situation is the immediate example of definite State corporate assets which have changed jurisdiction for a second time.
If any corporation had previously been approved to operate under Federal law within a system, I would hope they would be permitted to continue to do so. However, NoH likely made additional infrastructure investment within the system when it was not subject to Federal law. Is this investment now illegal purely from the stand point it was established under a different regime (assuming it isn't something illegal for other reasons, like being a Cartel slaver safe house)?
The auction was more than the selling of development rights, it was also a means of delegating responsibility and a means to minimize internal State conflict in the occupied areas.
So, in the end is there a prohibition on State corporations continuing to make an investment or complete the economic projects (which likely include some aspects of security) in the territories auctioned off by the CPD?
I expect the corporations to deal directly with the Federal government on a case by case basis to resolve the situation. For some this may result in abandonment of projects for others it may actually be a benefit.
Any additional Facilities will not have been authorised to be set up within Federation Sovereign Territory by the Federation Government, however Practicality will likely win out over Ideology.
What the final position in those territories will be will likely depend on what Nugoeihuvi are willing to bring to the Bargaining Table in any talks with Roden's Government and also what concessions they're willing to accept. They're probably lucky that Roden became President rather than one of the other Candidates. He's a businessman after all, so is likely to be someone they can make a deal with.
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