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Himnos Altar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.12 12:51:00 -
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apparently you plan on putting 90% of EVE players on that list, lulz.
what do you want from us? You've ALREADY gotten a free loan!
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.12.12 13:05:00 -
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Can I also be on your KOS list or do I need to help you first?
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Thistlefury
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Posted - 2009.12.12 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Himnos Altar apparently you plan on putting 90% of EVE players on that list, lulz.
what do you want from us? You've ALREADY gotten a free loan!
Im here to rid the EVE Universe of Elitist Jerks that trive on making unexperienced players miserable !
Originally by: Mashie Saldana Can I also be on your KOS list or do I need to help you first?
There is always room if you want to sign yourself up on my list, but be careful, you won't know what hit you. Any help is appreciated. Perhaps i could offer you an awesome Tier1 Raven worth 570million ISK ?
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Himnos Altar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.12 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Thistlefury With alot of dedication and help from my friends, hard work every day for two months....
Im here to rid the EVE Universe of Elitist Jerks that trive on making unexperienced players miserable !
o.0
"every day for two months." I'd hardly call that unexperienced. SP-lacking compared to older characters, obviously, but still.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.12.12 15:22:00 -
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I might take up that challenge Thistlefury. It's not like you're hard to find running missions from Motsu.
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.12 16:38:00 -
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Cool story bro.
Flaky troll is flaky.
Also, there's plenty of documentation about EVE's mechanics out there on the web if you just pull some searches. Lots of info about contract scams and trade scams and how they work. People are constantly trying to scam ISK. They roll alts that sit in Jita spamming them over and over.
It's harder than it used to be, the 999 scam and freeform contracts are gone. But even so, there are buy contracts for modules where the price is set up higher than the other legit ones, but it's actually for two or more modules, not one, trying to trick you into not looking.
Always use the EXACT SEARCH function when looking for items on contract. Review the agreement carefully. Once you hit accept, there's no going back.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.12 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador I might take up that challenge Thistlefury. It's not like you're hard to find running missions from Motsu.
This could get interesting
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Avo Daith
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2009.12.12 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Can I also be on your KOS list or do I need to help you first?
Posting just to get on the list.
Eve rule #1: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. If you are saving up for an expensive ship that uses up all your isk and when you are scammed out of it/shot down flying it so bail out and leave, you officially lose Eve.
That said, we've all done it, at some point. Worked hard for a POS, a ship, a standing, that gets blown in a moment's lack of attention or stupidity. We all ranted, and raved, many of us set the game down and swore never to play again. Yet somehow we came back. We are lacking in sympathy now because we've been here for years, and seen it happen so many times that now we just laugh about it and shrug.
Most recently I lost a Nighthawk, with faction fittings, worth well over 800 million, because I warped to a mission forgetting there was no gate, hardeners not yet on, then chose that moment to go browse for something on the web, oh, and make a cup of tea. Toggle back into Eve... Wait, why am I in a pod? I laughed at myself for an hour. If it had happened when I was new I would have been devastated. The difference is I would never have risked spending that much back then.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.12.12 17:09:00 -
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Judging by the OP's latest responses, I'm going to conclude that she's a troll.
OP, you are in an alliance and operate in highsec. Wardec costs will be high and I fail to see how you can kill us on sight without being at war, since CONCORD willl deliver swift justice if you attempt to do so unprovoked. I think you are just trolling the boards to get us riled up. If you really aren't a troll, stop flaunting your "KOS" list around. People in this thread are trying to help you, adding them to a KOS list only makes you look like a gigantic ****. It will attract people who will want to kill you for lulz (I was one of them until I saw you were in an alliance :(. I want lulz but you are not worth 50mil.)
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Cyprus Black
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.12 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 12/12/2009 17:32:58
Originally by: Thistlefury
Originally by: Thistlefury By the way: You are all on my kill on sight list!
Yes, all you "Elitists" are included in that. Your dead
You're well on your way of learning another valuable EvE lession. You're not safe anywhere in space. There are limits to Concords protection.
Players ingame can sometimes take threats seriously and may even take a preemptive strike. Tossing threats around like that may infuriate somebody with too much time on their hands and they may come after you
Let me just go speak to my locator agent. BRB.
*edit* Lets see now. Member of the BlackSite Prophecy for 1 month 20 days. Member of the 101010 alliance which looks like a Mostly Harmless pet alliance. ___________________________________ ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in EvE... you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Vritri
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Posted - 2009.12.12 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Vritri on 12/12/2009 20:32:24 I would like to see the tutorial mention something more about scams actually, because I do find it a bit low. Generally the only player community I find worse than the EVE community is the dota/hon community (that's truly the worst of the earth)
But I'm also an extreme carebear. I can't stand the idea of making another player lose a ship, so don't even want to engage in pvp if they attacked me first. I just can't delight in the suffering of others. Even while trading I try to trade on margins and give people the best deals I can, not taking advantage of them.
So I do hope things work out for you and your friends and am sorry you had to find out the hard way about this. Included tutorial about scamming (Even if it's just "Everyone in EVE is a pain, beware") would probably help this for new players a lot. I don't expect this to change, so you can always keep an eye on sites like massively to see if another MMO will come out that tickles your fancy.
Kudos to the fact that you're sticking with it, I think I'd be done if I ever lost that much money from somebody's scam. Good luck, and hopefully it won't happen to you guys again.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.12 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 12/12/2009 21:03:13
Even basic research would reveal EVE is full of scammers. It's why many join EVE as it means the game is open ended. If someone fails to do basic research then that's their fault.
There are too many people who won't take responsibility for their actions (not the Op he seems to have got it now) and I'm bored of being patronised and treated like a total idiot by computer games.
So no extra warnings needed as they already exist anywhere you care to look and warnings pop up in the game too. Its this sort of muddled thinking that has 'warning: do not insert in ear' on pencils.
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Avo Daith
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2009.12.12 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vritri Edited by: Vritri on 12/12/2009 20:32:24 I would like to see the tutorial mention something more about scams actually, because I do find it a bit low. Generally the only player community I find worse than the EVE community is the dota/hon community (that's truly the worst of the earth)
This is a game. As such it is competitive. You will find people playing it all kinds of ways. Scammers are actually a tiny minority, but Jita is scammer central. The prevalence of scammers is no reflection on the community. Eve has the best, most helpful and co-operative playerbase I've ever come across. Saying that the community is bad is like saying the Poker community is bad beacause they bluff. It's part of the game. _________________________ Join Channel 'Mentors' for PVP and PVE help and advice ingame without changing corps. Click Channels and Mailing lists > Channels > Join > Mentors |
Milo Caman
Gallente Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.12.12 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Milo Caman on 12/12/2009 23:09:42
Originally by: Thistlefury
Im here to rid the EVE Universe of Elitist Jerks that trive on making unexperienced players miserable !
You do realize you've put 80% the EVE player base on your list with that statement? Anyway, Trolling the Q+A forums after getting scammed is bad. It's a Harsh Game. Shrug off your losses, Soldier on, and don't fall for it again.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.12.12 23:24:00 -
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Flame war aside.
New Player Lesson from all of this is, as in RL, scams work by preying on people's greed.
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The AEther
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.13 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: The AEther on 13/12/2009 00:59:29
Originally by: Thistlefury Im here to rid the EVE Universe of Elitist Jerks that trive on making unexperienced players miserable !
Don't assume that the player who tricked you is a veteran/elitist. Any two month-old noob can read Crime and Punishment or Market Discussion forum and gather a list of scams then sit and practice them in Jita. It does not take any skill or much of an ISK investment. If you read the forums regularly, think before clicking, and look up info on everything you can avoid being scammed.
I also hope you realize that in EVE the wins are sweet only because the losses are so bitter. That XYZ faction stuff will be so much more precious to you because you have played so much to attain it.
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Idicious Lightbane
Dedicated Insurgents of Eve
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Posted - 2009.12.13 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Thistlefury
Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: Thistlefury A good example why so few people play this game.
There are indeed lots of players driven out of the game by their very own failness. One could counter this by making the game so easy nobody with halve a brain would like to play it. Luckyly there is one company that doens't believe in losers.
I laughed, could you post something more worthless ?
I think what he meant to say, and even if he didn't: A large majority of the EVE player base would quit if safeguards were put in place, it might not have millions of players but the player here love it because you CAN loose everything you worked for, you can (and some of the most powerfull players have) loose years of work of building up a corporation , thousands of man hours because ONE person who you trusted with everything decides to betray you, all in 1 day.
This gives EVE it's appeal, the adrenaline rush you get when going into pvp with an expensive ship you know you can loose, that is unlike anything I've had in any other game. Yes is sucks when you loose a 500 mil ship, but it's worth all that in the long run because of the very fact you can (most EVE players play it for that reason as far as I can tell)
It might only have 300-400k players, but you're always playing with far more people together than you ever would in WOW (you're not stuck on your server, server limit in WOW is far less than 300-400k players thus even though it has millions, you can interact with far less than in WOW) On the low hours of EVE there are more players logged onto EVE than on 1 single WOW server during peak hour.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.13 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 13/12/2009 05:52:04 Thistlefury, you have offended me. You've called me disgusting, an elitist jerk, and have made death threats against me.
I ask that you retract these statements and apologize. ___________________________________ ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in EvE... you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Drakarin
Gallente The Abyssmal Spire Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.12.13 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Thistlefury I was aware that the rigs wouldnt be seen, but i was fine with it, since they are pretty cheap.
So, your saying every new player that encounters this, wont be assisted by a GM ? Veteran players scamming new players that has a very limited idea how this game works, this guy had played for 4 years. How do you expect new players to want to continue, after older experienced players take advantage of them like this ?
In essence, we don't expect everyone to continue, why? Because EvE is a harsh and truly cruel world. In fact it's probably the coldest virtual universe ever created.
But this is a GOOD thing. It's harsh, not because of game mechanics, but because of the player-base having such incredible freedom to do whatever they wish. At the same time, you have to rely on your own wits to overcome many challenges and dangers. Be careful. That's the key to EvE, be careful of everyone, and everything.
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Forcei
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.13 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black Edited by: Cyprus Black on 13/12/2009 07:18:48 Edited by: Cyprus Black on 13/12/2009 07:03:08 Thistlefury, you have offended me. You've called me disgusting, an elitist jerk, and have made death threats against me.
I request that you retract these insults and apologize for your death threats. Failure to comply will result in escalating tension, violence, and possibly casualties.
BTW Tau Cabalander, this guy is in no way a newbie. He's an August 2008 character. You're out 570 mil.
Well he did mention playing Eve before but quitting but in all likelihood it was a troll who walked away with 570m.
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2009.12.13 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Elena Laskova on 13/12/2009 12:24:10
OP - you didn't trade with an exceptional EvE player, but a typical one. There's no point in getting angry over an exchange with one of these players - they are the majority, they support each other in their behavior, and they enjoy it when someone gets upset over their actions.
Of course there us a small minority of normally honest people playing EvE, but they are too few to affect the basic rule of EvE which is "you can't trust anybody".
This isn't the barrier to play that it sounds at first. Nobody will expect you to trust them, and you're not expected to pretend when you talk to people.
Of course if you want to meet nice, normal people while you play, the odds are against you. There are very few of them in the first place, and if you should find one, you couldn't tell the difference between the human being and a polished psycho trying to rip you off or gank you.
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Elukka
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Posted - 2009.12.13 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Elukka on 13/12/2009 15:20:37
Originally by: Thistlefury A good example why so few people play this game.
Actually quite a lot of people play this game. The developers want to keep this sort of stuff around. I don't scam, it's not my thing, and I don't respect scamming... But I don't think GM's should intervene. No offense intended, but this is honestly just like a tourist walking into a shady stall at a big bazaar and buying "ancient jewelry" for 200 euros, only to later notice the "Made in China" sticker. It's a very real situation, and it will also happen in EVE because the social interactions are very realistic.
EVE is certainly not as popular as WoW, but that's because it doesn't do everything the mainstream way. It does something different, and I find it the only MMO worth paying for. If you still want to play it, use your street smarts. Don't do stuff like this.
If you don't want to play it anymore, however, there's no point in complaining about it on the forum.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:13:00 -
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I would have thought that by now everybody who has even heard about eve knows that the game is built around scamming and stabbing each other in the back, but apparently there are people out there who think eve is wow-in-space? --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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Osprey Arrione
Minmatar Texas Salvage
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:56:00 -
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sign me up for that kos list! noob fight ;) New Eden Rule 1: "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters. |
Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp F A I L
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Airron on 14/12/2009 18:57:17
Originally by: Thistlefury Edited by: Thistlefury on 12/12/2009 07:34:47 Sadly i did not know this, and none of the tutorials warned me about this. So i guess i wasted two months in this game, just so a 4year old veteran could get some pocketchange. Thanks for the feedback, the lack of support and the general disgusting attitude.
If you read my post, we were a bunch of friends, 5 to be exact, that saved up for this.
HTFU or gbtwow
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CAN I BE ON YOUR KOS LIST???? PRETTY PLZ!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vritri Edited by: Vritri on 12/12/2009 20:32:24 I would like to see the tutorial mention something more about scams actually, because I do find it a bit low. Generally the only player community I find worse than the EVE community is the dota/hon community (that's truly the worst of the earth).
How about a warning window that pops up whenever you're about to do a ship trade?
Oh, wait...
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langaidin
GANK STARZ
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Posted - 2009.12.14 19:44:00 -
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Might as well put me on that list too. Before you emo rage quit... Can I haz your stuff?
oh and WOW is that way ------->
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Lanrick
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lanrick on 14/12/2009 20:09:34 It is aggravating and frustrating and you will find little to no sympathy from anyone, especially on these forums. But the last thing you want to do is complain about it not being fair, it only brings out the worst of the community to mock you. The good news is that their are decent people out there. The bad news is that you can never know for sure who they are and how to separate them from the bad guys. Don't trust anyone and don't let the pirates get to you.
Within a few days of starting the game I got a can flipped and got smoked because I didn't understand the mechanics. I got taken because I was a noob. The guy turned out to be pretty cool though. After admitting that "I sure screwed that up spectacularly." I then asked him what I did wrong and how the mechanics actually worked. He explained the who thing to me. And then he came back the next day and smoked me and my friend from a different angle but that's a whole 'nother story. Point is I learned from it. (twice)
The moral of the story is don't take it personally. Some people just feel like playing the pirate as the role they choose. Some people are genuine asshats but they will be that way to anyone, no point getting worked up about them. You choose what you want to be. Pirate? Nice Guy Industrialist. Crusading Avenger of Noobs? It is up to you.
In practical terms, not taking it personally means don't ever smack talk folks, either here or in local. It will just make you enemies that will follow you around. Just say something like. "Damn, you smoked me fast, good fight. What did I do wrong?" The worst they can say is "figure it out yourself." ------- "The strong are often wrong but the weak are never free." |
Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lanrick Don't trust anyone and don't let the pirates get to you.
Scammer ≠ Pirate
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Toraltian2
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Posted - 2009.12.14 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Thistlefury Im here to rid the EVE Universe of Elitist Jerks that trive on making unexperienced players miserable !
Recommend you go into the merc biz. You're going to be shooting a large percentage of the population. Might as well get paid for it.
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