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Jessica Lanson
Port Hercules
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Posted - 2010.01.10 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jessica Lanson on 10/01/2010 09:49:32
Removing insurance will make little change to ganking.
Before you say I am mad, here's why.
A fitted gank cruiser without insurance would be 8 million ISK lost. It needs 16 million cargo in an industrial for that cruiser to pay. But, because of the sec status loss and the 15 minute countdown the threshold for ganking them is already 50 or 100 million, so there's no change there.
A fitted gank destroyer is 1 million ISK to buy and another 1 million ISK for modules. That's a 2 million ISK loss with no insurance.
6 pilots paying 2 million each for destroyers can gank a Hulk. One pilot can pay 2 million to kill a Covetor. Even the Covetor pilot will lose more than that (strip miners are over 1 million each).
2 million ISK? That's 4 rat bounties. I just did a mission that paid 20 million. I'd pay 2 million in an instant to see the rage in local chat.
I don't need to buy PLEX but even if I had to, I'd pay USD 15 to do it 120 times. Put a coin in the box, random emo ragequit chat comes out other side, 1 in 10 makes you laugh your ass off. At 10 cents per go, it's cheaper than cable TV.
People saying suicide gankers are exploiting insurance might have a point, but fixing that WON'T STOP THE GANKING. In fact I don't think it will reduce at all.
If you want to change something to fix ganking, increase the sec status loss. It's still possible to gank with "outlaw" status but it's much more troublesome as you can't sit on a high sec gate all day.
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Empire Dweller
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.01.10 10:58:00 -
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I could support removing insurance payout from concorded ships if your willing to budge on the whole concord issue. Concords response time especially.
Concord has been buffed so many times its ridiculous. If the trend continues suicide ganking freighters or other large ships wont even be possible. Its already "impractical". You need a lot of ppl, good timing between you, and a .5 or .6 system.
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Zostera
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.01.10 11:05:00 -
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I figure a very large proportion of the people falling victim to suicide ganking could avoid it by making their own risk vs reward assessment.
Should I fly this T2 BPO in an afk shuttle or an actively piloted and cloaked T2 Hauler?
Should I fit a tank in my hulk mid slots?
Should I be at my PC while my mining lasers cycle and actively align to a station/gate/safespot or maybe watch TV and sit at zero speed?
Should I expect to make isk without risk or maybe stop being lazy?
The mechanics are there already and vastly reduce the risk of you falling victim to a suicide gank, if indeed you choose to use them.
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Asuri Kinnes
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2010.01.10 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Asuri Kinnes on 10/01/2010 12:35:07 Thread requesting the modification of Insurance to payout based on the completed sell orders for each ships specific basket of minerals:
thread
(If the Basket price were calculated using weekly averages, weekly, it would be basically impossible for anyone to "game" the system, because of the vast size of the Minerals Market...).
Still wouldn't stop suicide ganking, because the base prices for minerals would drop without the artificial support provided by Insurance as a "floor" to prices.
In effect, making mining even less profitable... Way to suicide gank yourselves guys.
Edited for thread linky
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Viktor Villiance
Caldari Astrosemites Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.01.10 19:55:00 -
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It's not to remove suicide ganking, this is only to make it a genuine risk vs. reward type of thing.
That's all. Insurance should not be paid out for being concorddokken'd.
That's it. Make it so it's an actual risk and you are gambling ISK and security status.
Carebears shouldn't be safe, not by any means, but at the same time, you can churn out alts in your accounts (you get 2 other than your main) and have them ready to suicide and dispose of. That's not even having multiple accounts (which I'm positive like 20% of people do).
If you guys are clueless how easy it is to pop someone in a t1 hauler carrying anything above 50million in value then that's your issue, but at present, it provides to be a no brainer to make tons of isk with no loss.
And, before anyone says anything else dumb, no, I didn't get popped to make this thread, I just am tired of seeing folks profit from no-risk insurance scams that often times just prey on newbies because, as I just said, no risk.
Most billionaires/veterans are flying t2 haulers or freighters, like myself and there is risk in hitting us. It was once thought that man could be trusted with the keys to his own destiny, but as it turns out, that destiny was to forever deny himself entry to that fate from the futile effort of ever-lasting |
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