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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Corelous Alterrian I would like to put forth my application for attendance, IF it is not to much trouble Send a EVE mail confirming my request in game.
Accepted
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim I would like to attend, a debate on history is a good place to find some good questions. Of course, it will also depend on when it will take place.
Accepted
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Wayward Daughter
Swords of the Righteous
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:18:00 -
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I am made more confused by the replies here. I would like to attend this conference. Perhaps this shall bring clarity.
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Kaldor Mintat
Nomads Of Eve
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rodj Blake I agree that ignorance of history is a bad thing.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.
2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
And this just the start.
Cursed you are FALSE LOYALIST for your lies and false propagandas in this board. You alone have been one of the greatest perpetrators of the Reign of Ignorance.
Cursed you be for calling Jamyl Sarum an Heretic!
Do you want lessons about history dog?
Thou shall have it. Your time of leading the Reign of Ignorance shall end now.
You are a traitor to the house of Sarum and to the current Empress.
Amarr, a lot has been hidden from you. No longer.
BURN INFIDEL!
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Lady Revan, you should know at your age that victory excuses all. It seems realpolitik rules even the Empire despite loud cries to the opposite.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Draco Carollis
Are you willing to forget the attacks by the Raiders on the Theology Council loyal to her Highness before her Sucession?
I'm not a RAIDER, Ignorant. KNOW HISTORY.
Your sentence just confirms the current state of affairs.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kaldor Mintat It seems realpolitik rules even the Empire despite loud cries to the opposite.
You are right. Politics and falsehood is the current state of affairs regarding the Loyalists of such kinds.
It is what needs to be changed. Amarr has been denied the truth too long now. Too many lies. This is TREASON are accountable to be charged with DEATH penalty under the laws of Empire.
The Empire is not the Federation.
And may every Amarr now open their eyes.
Enough is enough.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wayward Daughter I am made more confused by the replies here. I would like to attend this conference. Perhaps this shall bring clarity.
Accepted
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Koronakesh
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:35:00 -
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Consider my curiosity piqued and my application for attendance submitted.
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:36:00 -
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What a farce. No true Sarumite will ever attend your little charades.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Koronakesh Consider my curiosity piqued and my application for attendance submitted.
Accepted
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Sinjin Mokk
Amarr Immortalis Licentia
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Posted - 2009.12.14 14:53:00 -
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You say you want to promote knowledge and put an end to ignorance. You claim to be loyal to our Emprress, yet denounce her master, our Lord?
You say voices will be there to speak hidden truths about the Empire, yet these voices are only Sarumite? You warp the Light of God when you use one particular culture to refract truth.
I would attend to hear your words. And I would speak the words of a Cyberknight of the Realm. I would bring the Khanid view and the view of the common man in Amarr to your meeeting.
Or do you fear what words I would bring with me?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
BURN INFIDEL!
Make me.
Although now that I think about it, didn't you once say that you were going to make the whole Empire burn? I don't recall that ever coming to pass.
Tell me Revan, is threatening to make the Empire burn the mark of a true Sarumite?
And while we're at it, prehaps you could answer a couple of questions for me...
Is threatening to make the bodies of such an august organisation as the Cult of Cathechization burn the mark of someone loyal to their Empire?
Is waging war on such notable Amarrian bodies as the CVA and Aegis Militia really the best way to serve the Empire?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk You say you want to promote knowledge and put an end to ignorance. You claim to be loyal to our Emprress, yet denounce her master, our Lord?
You say voices will be there to speak hidden truths about the Empire, yet these voices are only Sarumite? You warp the Light of God when you use one particular culture to refract truth.
I would attend to hear your words. And I would speak the words of a Cyberknight of the Realm. I would bring the Khanid view and the view of the common man in Amarr to your meeeting.
Or do you fear what words I would bring with me?
I refuse the False God that occupies the mouths of the false Loyalists. Their GOD is nothing but a lie. It's a God of weakness and excuses. It's a God that allows words as such:
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
Spilt from the mouth from those who follows HIM.
May this God of falsehood be even close to the truth, wouldn't he be all knowing? Would he allow such crime to be spilt by the mouth of his devotee knowing that he would lead Jamyl to the throne?
No. This God is False. It's an excuse to perpetrate the Reign of Ignorance. It was against this GOD that I have rebelled and proudly so. In times when the throne were Empty so were Amarr devoid of any GOD. This is the truth.
About your willingness to speak for Khanid, I would be willing to consider your application were you at least able to tender your request with the minimum degree of politeness. I doubt somehow that you have the capacity to address a large audience with decorum when you tend your application to the hostess of the event as such:
"Or do you fear what words I would bring with me?"
Your last sentence just invalidate your claiming of true intentions. It sounds to me like a little boy making some kind of noise where none are needed. I have faced the Ire of a Godless Empire. Fear is a word that is not in my vocabulary. To not know this fact, tells me that you have little knowledge of history itself.
So, If you want to speak about Khanid and your people, first, bring me knowledge that you can do so. That you possess such knowledge to pass to others. And secondly, know how to present yourself in better ways.
If you do so, I will be pleased to consider.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
BURN INFIDEL!
Make me.
Although now that I think about it, didn't you once say that you were going to make the whole Empire burn? I don't recall that ever coming to pass.
Tell me Revan, is threatening to make the Empire burn the mark of a true Sarumite?
And while we're at it, prehaps you could answer a couple of questions for me...
Is threatening to make the bodies of such an august organisation as the Cult of Cathechization burn the mark of someone loyal to their Empire?
Is waging war on such notable Amarrian bodies as the CVA and Aegis Militia really the best way to serve the Empire?
You show my rebellion against your institutions ans False Gods? That's the best you can do towards this? Is there anyone who still holds doubts that I'm against everything you profess and hold dear under the banner of falsehood of your invented GOD?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
Your lies are over. YOUR false Empire shall burn with the lights of truth so Sarum can Reign without your false masks.
Shall I accomplish this frightful task of purging the Empire from it's filth? I doubt it. That is a power that no capsuleer holds. I trust that Jamyl I after reading your declaration shall make the Empire take the proper measures.
But what I can do I shall do to contribute to the truth and that is, showing your true face.
On that, be sure.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:45:43 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:44:40 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:41:31
You really do like that comment of mine, don't you Revan?
Although for someone who seems to like it so much, you appear to keep forgetting to put it into any sort of context.
If I recall correctly it was in response to the claim (a correct claim as it turns out) from a purported Sarumite that the then Lady Sarum was still alive. Now, the thing is, a true Sarumite would not have made that claim.
"Why?" I hear you ask.
The simple reason is that her absence from public life was an indication that she did not want any publicity. So going around saying "Lady Jamyl's alive" was almost certainly in conflict with her agenda.
Now, onto the question of whether or not the Empress is or has ever been a heretic.
When I made the claim that if she was alive then she was also a heretic, I was working on an assumption. This assumption was that the tradition of an unsuccesful heir commiting Sathol'Syn was immutable rule, and failure to comply with it was indeed always an act of treachery. So, the reasoning went that had any of the heirs not committed suicide, then they would automatically be commiting an act of heresy.
Now, a lot of the precise circumstances of the Empress' return are not in the public domain. However, since her return both the Privy Council and the Theology have implied that there are in fact exceptions to this rule. Exceptions that I was unaware of at the time that I made that remark.
As such, I was acting on incomplete information when I said it, and as a result my conclusion was wrong.
I am of course happy to retract that statement, and indeed I upon the occasion of Empress Jamyl's coronation I was among the first in the capsuleer community to swear fealty to her.
Originally by: Revan Neferis I trust that Jamyl I after reading your declaration shall make the Empire take the proper measures.
I will of course accept any judgement that Empress Jamyl makes concerning my words or my deeds. I shall likewise take the lack of any such judgement to mean that the matter is of no importance to her.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:46:00 -
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I cant wait to see the spin on this one Rodj.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 15:41:31
You really do like that comment of mine, don't you Revan?
No. I detest it. Abominate it. And the lies you speak to justify it are just this, another bunch of lies.
Defend yourself not against me but against your heresy towards The Empress. It's your soul who shall burn and I know it's lost beyond any salvation. My task here is to avoid that you bring others to damnation with you. To avoid that you convert more to your Reign of Ignorance.
Let it be known what you stand for and how proudly you have always issued claims of Heresy towards Jamyl. And much worse. If you feel that this is the worst you have said , you better start to collect your memories. Because I have.
Enough now Rodj. Your mask is over.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 16:07:21 Lies, Revan?
I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that you don't recognise the truth when you see it, given the deluded nature of some of your past pronouncements - not least that business in Fensi.
You'll notice that none other than Brother Joshua of the Speakers of Truth passes comment on you there
By the way, I'm still waiting for an answer to my earlier questions.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Lies, Revan?
I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that you don't recognise the truth when you see it, given the deluded nature of some of your past pronouncements - not least that business in Fensi.
By the way, I'm still waiting for an answer to my earlier questions.
I'm TIRED to say that I am against your GOD. I have rebelled against your institution of lies.
I would be horrified to be associated with YOUR BELIEFS in any way of form. Everything that you supported BEFORE the Empress, for the glory of YOUR False throneless God, I stood against it.
Is that clear enough? I think that just you are making sure to not understand that.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
Hide now behind your excuses. Your declaration speaks more than a thousand words to those who are willing to remove the blindness of their eyes. And fret not. You are not alone in your heresy. I particularly pointed your sentence here because you deemed yourself to intrude in my conference, even if I had left your false amarr prize thread clear for your discussions with your likes.
But in matters of Heresy against the Empress, much more will be presented at the Conference. This is just the scratch.
Betrayer.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
I'm TIRED to say that I am against your GOD. I have rebelled against your institution of lies.
I would be horrified to be associated with YOUR BELIEFS in any way of form. Everything that you supported BEFORE the Empress, for the glory of YOUR False throneless God, I stood against it.
My institution of lies?
I'm not the one who's been been called a liar by a Speaker of Truth
But you do highlight an importance difference between yourself and the true loyalists.
Whilst we loyalists support the Empire no matter who is on the throne, you only claim to support the Empire when it suits your current mood to do so.
For example, you say that you stood against the Empire before Empress Jamyl returned. Well, the then Lady Jamyl was an heir who served under Emperor Heideran VII. So how exactly is not supporting the past actions of Empress Jamyl consistent with being a supporter of Empress Jamyl?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 16:37:07
Originally by: Rodj Blake My institution of lies?
All of them. Including those who were issued by it and that you so proudly refer to.
I have pledged allegiance to the Lady Jamyl alone. I have said that. Contrary to YOU who openly affirms that even if a GOAT is placed to occupy the throne, you will follow it because YOUR false GOD is the excuse for you to say so.
JAMYL is the rightful Empress. The one YOU and yours deemed to call HERETIC during her absence.
It seems like it's YOU who cowardly deny your past in order to fit into the current status. You never expected Jamyl to assume the throne after your declaration:
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.11 10:38:00
If Lady Sarum is still alive, then the simple fact is that she is no longer an heir and a heretic. Please, allow her the honour of having died for the Empire.
or shall we add to it:
"Remember, if she is alive, then technically she would no longer be an heir, as she was the Sarum heir when Heideran VII died."
You never recognised even her RIGHT to assume the throne would she ever return.
Betrayer and lier. You bend now to the Empress forgetting and excusing what you have always believed. Masking your past. Masking your lies.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:53:00 -
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I've already answered your point here Revan.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 17:01:46
Originally by: Rodj Blake I've already answered your point here Revan.
And I have already answered this claim as well.
It seems like we have spoken all that had to be spoken Rodj.
My Juridical Councillors will be formally and officially addressing the issue of your Heretical sayings against Jamyl towards the House of Sarum at my conference.
May you repent and apologise to the Empress and declare the abandonment of the false God and false faith, we may one day work towards the single vision of the Golden ages once lost.
Till than, May your God be merciful with your soul.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik.
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/12/2009 17:11:03
As I said earlier, I was amongst the first capsuleers to swear fealty the Empress after her coronation.
For the record, the full text of my address was:
Quote:
A family is incomplete without parents. And similarly, an empire is incomplete without an emperor.
But tonight, for the first time in over three years, the Empire will go to sleep with the knowledge that the Imperial throne is occupied.
And just as a loving parent will seek to act in the best interests of their children, so too does an emperor act in the best interests of the people.
For it is the people and emperor together who make an empire - one cannot function for long without the other.
And let us not forget the subjects of the Empire, be they Amarrian, Khanid, Udorian or Ni-Kunni. Truly, they are subjects of God as well as Empress Jamyl, and should be rightly proud of their acheivements.
There may be those who will query our new Empress' right to the throne.
To them I say that I do not know the exact means by which she returned to us, but that the Privy Council and the Theology Council do, and from their response we can see that something marvellous must have happened.
Who are we to doubt the judgement of those to whom the Empire was entrusted?
We in PIE are proud to have supported the Empire for many years. It has always been our policy to support the current Emperor no matter what house they may have belonged to. For the Emperor is of no house and all houses.
Just as we supported Heideran VII and Doriam II, may they both receive glory in heaven, so shall we support Jamyl I. Just as we have fought for her predecessors, so shall we fight for Jamyl I.
We don't fight for personal glory. We don't fight for personal enrichment. We don't fight to slake a primitive bloodlust.
No, we fight to defend our way of life. We fight to protect our children. We fight because it is our God-given duty to do so.
In a moment we will swear fealty to our new leader. But let us not do so out of fear, or out of a sense of self-aggrandisement. No. Let us swear fealty because, simply, it is the right thing to do.
I, Rodj Blake, swear fealty to the Empire and its legally annointed Empress, Jamyl I
And now, bearing in mind all that has been said, I call upon all true loyalists to boycott the conference, and humbly request that Merimeth Sarum declines or ignores Revan's invitation to attend.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake As I said earlier, I was amongst the first capsuleers to swear fealty the Empress after her coronation.
And as I said, you did it out of convenience to hide your true feelings about Jamyl and the throne. Thank you about reinforcing my statements about your falsehood.
Originally by: Rodj Blake And now, bearing in mind all that has been said, I call upon all true loyalists to boycott the conference, and humbly request that Merimeth Sarum declines or ignores Revan's invitation to attend.
The only people you call about Rodj are the ones included into your FALSE web of lies and who would gain to not be exposed like you did.
Call to all of them. All your heretical partners in promoting the Reign of Ignorance. Call them to come and defend your False honour that is now at cheack more than ever.
You need them. Desperately.
As to the Heir Merimeth Sarum, The invitation is Etiquette. He is the Heir and Privy Concil Sarum representative. May HE deem fit to join us, would be an honour. But don't try to issue voice or influence in this aspect. As if you would have any interference in his agenda and commitments.
It's been known that since a long time Those Leaders do not partake at space with us, capsuleers. My invitation stands as my sign of respect.
Different than you Rodj, I don't disrespect traditions when it's fit.
Now, I hereby declare: May Merimeth Sarum himself declare that my conference is NOT in alignment with Sarum House, I shall accept his decision.
So in the same manner as you use the name of Merimeth Sarum to make a null point Rodj, I believe that the Heir himself can forbid my conference and declare unholy if he so wishes.
Until than. You are the heretic.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
I would be horrified to be associated with YOUR BELIEFS in any way of form.
Well intresting statement Revan. Your a Sarumite, and apparently loyal to our Empress. Yet, all of House Sarum, and our Empress is loyal to Amarr and the TRUE AMARRIAN FAITH! you know, that faith that your opposed to. So, unless you have evidence stating otherwise, I'm thinking your going to hit a dead end. Unfortunatly for you, so long as a you remain a loyal sarumite, you will always be associated with the Amarrian beliefs you hate so much.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 17:30:15
Originally by: Invelious So long as a you remain a loyal sarumite, you will always be associated with the Amarrian beliefs you hate so much.
Jamyl did not abide to your Faith.
* She has declined Shathol'Syn - year YC 110 ( suicidal rituals)
* She has declined Royal Purity of Cloning - year YC 110
* She has declined trials to assume the Throne now
The list is endless.
"According to both the Scriptures and centuries of historical precedent, her reappearance constitutes a betrayal of the sacred ritual and is therefore a religious crime."
The Empress is not of your false faith. Shush now and Return to your ignorance.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik.
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Kaldor Mintat
Nomads Of Eve
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:33:00 -
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While i do know some of the capsuleer community enjoy these kinds of situation where their colleauges bicker like mentally underdevoloped 5 year olds perhaps we could get back to the matter at hand. As i understood it the purpose of this coming gathering is in part to discuss these kinds of things and getting different peoples viewpoints, not more of empty and indoctrinated platitudes.
Seeing these kinds of things all the time frankly makes me realize why the empires have no real use for us except possibly as cannonfodder and why in the greater scheme of New Eden we are totally irrelevant.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:37:00 -
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Since the Theology Council are the arbiters of what is and isn't orthodoxy, I think we can take their acceptance of Jamyl's right to the throne as an indication that her rule is in line with Amarrian religious dogma.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.14 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kaldor Mintat As i understood it the purpose of this coming gathering is in part to discuss these kinds of things and getting different peoples viewpoints, not more of empty and indoctrinated platitudes.
You are correct. No more Ignorance allowed.
Originally by: Kaldor Mintat Seeing these kinds of things all the time frankly makes me realize why the empires have no real use for us except possibly as cannonfodder and why in the greater scheme of New Eden we are totally irrelevant.
Time teaches us well in this regard. We capsuleers have accepted this status quo and therefore become irrelevant at the great schemes of things. This can change if the current Reign of Ignorance ends. This is a small step of many greater things that may come.
In times when I first became a capsuleer, we and the greatest leaders of all Empires could meet at Space and speak face to face. We had a say.
We can have our voice back. If we so wish.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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