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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.12.15 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lana Torrin on 15/12/2009 07:34:25 So Ive read about it, and Ive even tried it myself once or twice, but I keep getting issues tanking sleepers. They aren't like normal rats and they will swap to you when you land (sometimes) making it a lot harder to gank the runner.. So I needs some help. How much DPS to sleepers put out? Lets assume its a highsec entrance, so Class 1, 2 and 3 only..
Last time I tried this the sleeper rats WTFPWNd me before I managed to take out the runner, much to my embarrassment.. I don't want to repeat such a disappointment, so this time im going in prepared.. (With your help)
Edit: Yeah, I know its omni damage..
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
HYDRA PROVAIL!
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.12.15 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: James Tritanius on 15/12/2009 07:44:38 I find it best to wait until the explorer has killed all the sleepers before attempting to gank him. However, this is hard to execute if you don't have a covops alt or in a force recon.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.12.15 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin Lets assume its a highsec entrance, so Class 1, 2 and 3 only..
..or class 4 or 5.
Just because you enter from highsec doesn't mean you only will land in class 1-3.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.15 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin Edited by: Lana Torrin on 15/12/2009 07:34:25 So Ive read about it, and Ive even tried it myself once or twice, but I keep getting issues tanking sleepers. They aren't like normal rats and they will swap to you when you land (sometimes) making it a lot harder to gank the runner.. So I needs some help. How much DPS to sleepers put out? Lets assume its a highsec entrance, so Class 1, 2 and 3 only..
Last time I tried this the sleeper rats WTFPWNd me before I managed to take out the runner, much to my embarrassment.. I don't want to repeat such a disappointment, so this time im going in prepared.. (With your help)
Edit: Yeah, I know its omni damage..
Um..... cry some more?
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Pistrik
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.15 07:54:00 -
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To put it into perspective, I used an omnitank Drake when I used to bear it up on my alt in the lower class wormholes. 75% resists across the board with a decent passive tank, and I was able to soak damage from a normal spawn (BS, 2-3 cruisers and a few frigs) for about 2 minutes before having to warp out. They hit HARD (as you know), and there's not much you can do about it unless you're using a ship with 90%+ resists.
My opinion? Try and use electronic warfare if you must do it solo. The majority of the dps are the Phantasmata missiles, which hit like a damn truck. Bring along a falcon buddy, or attempt to use defender missiles. You could also use damps and range tank them, but considering you're trying to solo gank that may not work. I've heard you can speed tank them (Ishtar comes to mind) with a good HAC with a decent tank.
But to be honest, I would always roll with a small gang.
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Sir Carnage
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Posted - 2009.12.15 08:13:00 -
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If you want any chance at solo ganking in a sleeper site you need a t2 cruiser or above with a tank heavy pvp fit, except in a class 1.
Quote: A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams
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Ballista III
8e5T Co0pRAt10n 1n Ev3 HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.15 08:15:00 -
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prolly wise that we send diplomatic contact to the sleepers to prevent future incidents like this.
im sure sleepers r good ppl... but they just need to wake up and realize that we r trying to protektion them.
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Hellfury Resurrected
Incura HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.15 08:28:00 -
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Use your beloved Arazu, wait til he finishes the sleepers, have something coming in behind you with lots of neuts and DPS. -------------------------------------------
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Khors
Amtek Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.15 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Carnage edit: Almost forgot, bring a neut, he'll have an active tank.
I've not been doing this alot, but I've only ran into fully passive drakes so far, meaning my pilgrim have had a pretty tough job breaking it when the sleepers dont hit the target.
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Mister Redshirt
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Posted - 2009.12.15 11:37:00 -
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i've had some good runs using broadsword and neut domi combo, as well as gank mega and scorp.
just wait until only one or 2 sleepers are left before pouncing... recommend reading up on the sites as well, that way you know what the triggers are and how many waves etc.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.12.15 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected Use your beloved Arazu, wait til he finishes the sleepers, have something coming in behind you with lots of neuts and DPS.
Little low on the DPS and wrong character.
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
HYDRA PROVAIL!
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.12.15 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected Use your beloved Arazu, wait til he finishes the sleepers, have something coming in behind you with lots of neuts and DPS.
Little low on the DPS and wrong character.
noob arazu maybe, get a blarazu and curse or summat.
I can help you but I need to know ur main ok
Originally by: Tirus Sinobi Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.12.15 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected Use your beloved Arazu, wait til he finishes the sleepers, have something coming in behind you with lots of neuts and DPS.
Little low on the DPS and wrong character.
noob arazu maybe, get a blarazu and curse or summat.
I can help you but I need to know ur main ok
Crappy shield tank so I have to compensate with range and damps.. Spike lowers the DPS a lot..
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
HYDRA PROVAIL!
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Kushan
Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.12.15 12:32:00 -
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Wait till they finish the site, unless you're in something with a massive tank.
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w1ldt4ngent
SWARTA
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Posted - 2009.12.15 14:38:00 -
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Every time I've been ganked in a wormhole, it's been immediately after finishing the site while I'm salvaging it. Usually by a gang of at least 4-5 people, with a HIC and ECM support.
Anal **** with no lube ___________________________ Swartans! Tonight we dine in Hek! |
Sumelar
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Posted - 2009.12.15 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: w1ldt4ngent Every time I've been ganked in a wormhole, it's been immediately after finishing the site while I'm salvaging it. Usually by a gang of at least 4-5 people, with a HIC and ECM support.
Anal **** with no lube
This, basically. Trying to solo gank in anything but a C1 is going to be extremely difficult.
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Sir Carnage
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Posted - 2009.12.15 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Khors
Originally by: Sir Carnage edit: Almost forgot, bring a neut, he'll have an active tank.
I've not been doing this alot, but I've only ran into fully passive drakes so far, meaning my pilgrim have had a pretty tough job breaking it when the sleepers dont hit the target.
just out of curiosity, what class wormholes do you find single, passive drakes running sites?
Quote: A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams
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Phunket
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Posted - 2009.12.15 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Khors
Originally by: Sir Carnage edit: Almost forgot, bring a neut, he'll have an active tank.
I've not been doing this alot, but I've only ran into fully passive drakes so far, meaning my pilgrim have had a pretty tough job breaking it when the sleepers dont hit the target.
just out of curiosity, what class wormholes do you find single, passive drakes running sites?
Class One and Two, possible 3 if he/she is going for abnormalities...
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Phunket
Class One and Two, possible 3 if he/she is going for abnormalities...
I find this incredibly funny for some reason.
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Kaaii
Caldari KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.15 23:06:00 -
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Which ones of you are the newbs?
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
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EmoKidWithKantana
Filthy Scum Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.15 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
Which ones of you are the newbs?
This, oh god this |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.12.16 06:41:00 -
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I notice you have all avoided answering my question and given me much more 'helpful' comments.. I could just ask the same thing in missions and complexes, they would be much more likely to answer correctly. Are the pirates of eve going in to fights with only half the amount of information the need?
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Sir Carnage
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Posted - 2009.12.16 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Phunket
Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Khors
Originally by: Sir Carnage edit: Almost forgot, bring a neut, he'll have an active tank.
I've not been doing this alot, but I've only ran into fully passive drakes so far, meaning my pilgrim have had a pretty tough job breaking it when the sleepers dont hit the target.
just out of curiosity, what class wormholes do you find single, passive drakes running sites?
Class One and Two, possible 3 if he/she is going for abnormalities...
class 3? only thing I can think they might be able to run is a frontier fortification outpost, and even then, it can be alot of damage coming in. I don't even like being first in flying my HIC(though my resists dictate that I should) on anything over a class 3. But then I've never liked being the primary target ever(odd thing for an inty/dictor/hictor pilot to say, I know, but I'm a bit odd)
Originally by: Lana Torrin I notice you have all avoided answering my question and given me much more 'helpful' comments.. I could just ask the same thing in missions and complexes, they would be much more likely to answer correctly. Are the pirates of eve going in to fights with only half the amount of information the need?
I stand by my earlier recommendation. Big tank, okay gank, and neuts. Apparently if you run into a drake you may need something slightly different.
Quote: A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. - Douglas Adams
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Pistrik
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.16 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin I notice you have all avoided answering my question and given me much more 'helpful' comments.. I could just ask the same thing in missions and complexes, they would be much more likely to answer correctly. Are the pirates of eve going in to fights with only half the amount of information the need?
Fine. Just use that new Zephyr probe ship. Sleepers ignore it.
PROBLEM SOLVED! \o/
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2009.12.16 07:21:00 -
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as an alternative, you might consider a ship with point, neuts and a hefty tank.
pin down and neut the target and let the sleepers do the dirty work, then GTFO and warp back to the wreck for a fast lewt?
just thinking out loud
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.12.16 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson as an alternative, you might consider a ship with point, neuts and a hefty tank.
pin down and neut the target and let the sleepers do the dirty work, then GTFO and warp back to the wreck for a fast lewt?
just thinking out loud
Give that a try and tell me how it gos...
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Hellfury Resurrected
Incura HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.16 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank I can help you but I need to know ur main ok
I'll tell you for 2b isk. -------------------------------------------
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.12.16 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected
Originally by: Lady Spank I can help you but I need to know ur main ok
I'll tell you for 2b isk.
You would sell me out for a mere 2b wouldn't you...
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Hellfury Resurrected
Incura HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.16 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected
Originally by: Lady Spank I can help you but I need to know ur main ok
I'll tell you for 2b isk.
You would sell me out for a mere 2b wouldn't you...
It'll only cost you 2b to find out... -------------------------------------------
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.12.16 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Lana Torrin on 16/12/2009 08:03:17
Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected
Originally by: Lady Spank I can help you but I need to know ur main ok
I'll tell you for 2b isk.
You would sell me out for a mere 2b wouldn't you...
It'll only cost you 2b to find out...
I already know who my main is..
Edit: Wait.. I am my main...
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