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Willy Nerfalot
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Posted - 2009.12.15 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Willy Nerfalot on 15/12/2009 08:23:19 (edit) oops should probably be in warfare and tactics, sorry
Could someone be kind enough to explain the mechanics of this please?
Intuitively, if i used a neutral alt to RR my at war or aggroed main, i would expect the neutral alt to get flagged to my main's opponent. However, if this was the case, i doubt anyone would use it.
So is the neutral RR unflagged/safe?
Thanks in advance.
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Inspira Maw
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Posted - 2009.12.15 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Inspira Maw on 15/12/2009 08:30:43 I think the neut would have to be already doing the RR before you aggress or are agress'ed
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Mary Stigmata
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Posted - 2009.12.15 08:46:00 -
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Your neutral alt isn't flagged at all. That's why people dislike the game mechanic. I have my neutral alt send my main cap and shield then just tab it out of the way so I can enjoy full screen pwnage with my main. You're almost invincible.
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Hellfury Resurrected
Incura HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.15 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Stigmata Your neutral alt isn't flagged at all
I bolded the part where you're right. -------------------------------------------
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Millie Clode
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.12.15 09:07:00 -
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Hang on, if you RR someone who is at war, their WTs get a 15 minute aggression timer for you.
The most annoying thing about neut RR is that repping someone doesn't give you a station/gate aggro timer, so if you take fire you can dock/jump instantly.
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Willy Nerfalot
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Posted - 2009.12.15 09:38:00 -
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So three completely different answers so far
I would go and test on sisi to find out for myself, but id need 3 accounts for this test.
More answers needed please, or just point me in the direction of the official guide/rules of this game mechanic, i just cant seem to find it anywhere.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.15 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 15/12/2009 09:48:41 Anoyone remote repping will get the same aggression flags as the person being repped.
Person being repped gets concorded, so does repper
Someone comes and reps someone you are shooting, they become aggressed to you.
The main reason it's annoying is they can just dock up / gate jump should you attack them.
Station games and hi-sec warfare were boring enough without this BS. Even Kage who popularised the practice has stated it's done way too much these days
Originally by: Tirus Sinobi Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
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Grunanca
Final Agony
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Posted - 2009.12.15 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 15/12/2009 09:48:41 Anoyone remote repping will get the same aggression flags as the person being repped.
Person being repped gets concorded, so does repper
Someone comes and reps someone you are shooting, they become aggressed to you.
The main reason it's annoying is they can just dock up / gate jump should you attack them.
Station games and hi-sec warfare were boring enough without this BS. Even Kage who popularised the practice has stated it's done way too much these days
While I dont want to teach people how to do it, as it pretty much ruins high sec warfare, this is the truth...
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.15 10:13:00 -
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I think Gaven Blands said it best.
Originally by: Gaven Blands From the Oursuleart III - 30km Dock Range Can Baiter handbook.
"... foresooth it is written that an NPC alt trained in the ways of the Exequror, and trained in the ways of the Osprey, can, hast, and will, repair the honourable can baiter. The Drake of the baiter that has little points of the skill and less skill of the pilot of the space can, hast, and will be saved by the NPC alt.
And Lo, the alt was fired upon by the baited. For it gained flashy red through it's actions. But while it has gained flashy red, it has not gained docking sickness, and can instantly dock through the generous docking range that only Oursuleart III bestows to those pilots correctly skilled and aligned in the ways of the Can Bait.
Thou willst make your NPC alt sufficiently trained that it can relaunch in yet another t1 fitted Drake to double the damage on the baited to nearly twelve dozen dps. And thou willst have yet another trial account with another Osprey for the repairing work.
This process will eventually lead the most revered Can Baiter of the Oursulaert III to the much sought Killing Of The Bantam.
The onlookers will be pleased at just how pro you are. They will crouch in fear as you issue your threats to people who dare not approach you in the hallowed territory of the perimeter of the dock. Cowards 100km, or 200km, or more from the hallowed territory of the dock are the swine of space and you should not waste your incorrect damage type loaded missiles on them, nor should you waste time moving to them, they are worthy only of your threats, insults and of your lascivious intent towards their mothers."
I think that answers your question. For further guidance, sit outside Oursulaert III, and watch Eve's professionals at work.
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Hellfury Resurrected
Incura HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.15 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grunanca as it pretty much ruins high sec warfare, this is the truth...
Empty quoting this. ALEKSEYEV KARRDE THIS IS WHAT I VOTED YOU INTO CSM FOR! -------------------------------------------
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.15 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected
Originally by: Grunanca as it pretty much ruins high sec warfare, this is the truth...
Empty quoting this. ALEKSEYEV KARRDE THIS IS WHAT I VOTED YOU INTO CSM FOR!
I knew something about eve... Who would have thought it
Yes I don't exactly QQ much but remote reps is crap with it's current mechanics.
Originally by: Tirus Sinobi Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
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Zen Guerrilla
Minmatar Mindfunk
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Posted - 2009.12.15 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank The main reason it's annoying is they can just dock up / gate jump should you attack them.
Station games and hi-sec warfare were boring enough without this BS. Even Kage who popularised the practice has stated it's done way too much these days
This is the only real problem with the whole neutral RR thing. I just can't understand why this hasn't been changed yet. ----------------------------- Pew pew!
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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.12.15 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected
Originally by: Grunanca as it pretty much ruins high sec warfare, this is the truth...
Empty quoting this. ALEKSEYEV KARRDE THIS IS WHAT I VOTED YOU INTO CSM FOR!
This was my main reason for voting for him as well.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.12.15 11:41:00 -
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I totally agree this needs to change, but only on stations and not on gates. Neutral RR on stations is clearly BS, but logistics ships are too flimsy to have to stay in proper gang fights on gates.
If repping counts as aggro for gates, then can we get an EHP bonus to logistics ? Then I'm all for it.
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Swalesey
Prosperity Through Violence
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Posted - 2009.12.15 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected
Originally by: Mary Stigmata Your neutral alt isn't flagged at all
I bolded the part where you're right.
Made me lol :P
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Misaniovent
Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.12.15 18:03:00 -
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Neutral RR games were one of the main reasons I moved out of highsec.
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Armoured C
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Swalesey
Originally by: Hellfury Resurrected
Originally by: Mary Stigmata Your neutral alt isn't flagged at all
I bolded the part where you're right.
Made me lol :P
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NiiKleagh
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Posted - 2009.12.15 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Katarlia Simov I totally agree this needs to change, but only on stations and not on gates. Neutral RR on stations is clearly BS, but logistics ships are too flimsy to have to stay in proper gang fights on gates.
If repping counts as aggro for gates, then can we get an EHP bonus to logistics ? Then I'm all for it.
It isn't just logistics, 10 Dominixes can Alt RR on gates as well - now how does that makes sense?
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Loki Farseer
F9X Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.16 00:16:00 -
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This honestly makes me lol...
Give them agression so they can't dock. Whoop deee doo. Won't change a thing, just the way the neutral RR is fit by about ... ohhhh 2-3 mods in the lows. I bet none of you can guess what those might be.
whine whine, ***** *****, moan moan.
Try thinking outside the box and neutralize the RR.. it's frikken easy. I make kills with 1-2 people with agression fighting more people generally and they have RR also.
Damn game is attracting the dumbest whiners...
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.16 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: NiiKleagh
Originally by: Katarlia Simov I totally agree this needs to change, but only on stations and not on gates. Neutral RR on stations is clearly BS, but logistics ships are too flimsy to have to stay in proper gang fights on gates.
If repping counts as aggro for gates, then can we get an EHP bonus to logistics ? Then I'm all for it.
It isn't just logistics, 10 Dominixes can Alt RR on gates as well - now how does that makes sense?
It isn't just Dominixes, 10 Falcons can jam several Alt RR on gates as well - now how does that makes sense?
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.12.16 02:46:00 -
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So if they dock or jump, they aren't repping anymore...problem solved? On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.16 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known So if they dock or jump, they aren't repping anymore...problem solved?
I hope you are trolling.
The 10-20 seconds it takes to make a logistics dock, (You can easily get about 30-40k EHP on most logistic ships like Guardian/Basilisk, and god forbid Plated, Trimarked Logistic Dominix with 6 remote reps and 150k EHP, is 10-20 seconds the ship they are repping is shooting you, all of your damage on the target ship has likely been repaired, and if the agressors decides to deaggro, hes just got an extra 20 seconds off his timer and a full tank. Unless you are epically blobbing your opponent, the person getting repped (who is often in a plated abaddon/nmega or something can easily dock, or destroy you. ---
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