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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.16 03:37:00 -
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So I just found out about these ships we will be getting. So I'm wondering what will these things be worth or how prices are going to be initially established or what their worth will be - basically this is as an open ended discussion for all things economically related to this new ship with launcher
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Joe SMASH
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Posted - 2009.12.16 03:46:00 -
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My two cents:
They will be damn near worthless when they first come out because every person who has an active account will get one. No market to be had at initial launch. However in 5 months to a year, I expect them to be quite valuable as some get lost to PvP and new accounts wanting them.
Again, that is my two cents. -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.12.16 03:46:00 -
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They'll be worthless because everyone will have one. It'll be at least a few months before they obtain any value...I'm sure people will be scrambling for the first Zephyr killmail. On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2009.12.16 03:56:00 -
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Last time we got free ships it was the Apotheosis. It has been about a year since that, and the Apotheosis is now worth 10 million. I would guess that the Zephyr, having a bit more functionality than the Apotheosis, will reach this mark slightly faster. Still I'd estimate at least 6-8 months before it goes for 10 mil on auction.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.16 03:56:00 -
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Intruiging...
Say for the ship and its launcher how much would it be initially worth?? Then also any ideas about how this can be marketed to the max to wormhole operations later on when there arn't so many around - from what I can tell they could prove useful to someone that knows what they are doing if Im not mistaken.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.12.16 04:04:00 -
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The holiday items are always worth collecting in my book. Some time in the future they'll inevitably be worth more, so it can't hurt to grab a couple and stick them in a hanger.
Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
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Joe SMASH
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Posted - 2009.12.16 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack Intruiging...
Say for the ship and its launcher how much would it be initially worth??
Worth NOTHING initially. Everyone will have one. It could be best ship in game, but if everyone has it, it is worthless. If some unlucky sod looses their Zyph in the first few days, they might be willing to pay something for a new one, but I bet it would not be more than a million. Hell, probably less than 10k imo. -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.12.16 04:29:00 -
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I'll buy every one I can get my hands on for 3m, so initially I'd say they'll be worth 3m.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.16 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Godsmack on 16/12/2009 04:52:59
Originally by: Stardust CEO I'll buy every one I can get my hands on for 3m, so initially I'd say they'll be worth 3m.
I see we have two very distinct philosophies here - you are going to buy for 3 mill ea but Joe doesn't deem them worth more than a few thousand to start? For my analysis whats with this overkill in disparity?
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2009.12.16 05:41:00 -
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I guess I'll buy 1-2 extra just in case and to sell later if their price goes way up.
If they're cheap enough.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.12.16 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack I see we have two very distinct philosophies here - [Stardust CEO is] going to buy for 3 mill ea but Joe [SMASH] doesn't deem them worth more than a few thousand to start? For my analysis whats with this overkill in disparity?
For some people, '3 million ISK' is pretty similar to 'nothing'.
One difference between this ship and the Apotheosis is that these will be one per Account, while those were one per Pilot, so (i) that is roughly 55% fewer units in existence, and (ii) some people who would not consider buying extras might want to pick up a second or third for their alt(s). á á
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.16 08:13:00 -
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I see we have two very distinct philosophies here - you are going to buy for 3 mill ea but Joe doesn't deem them worth more than a few thousand to start? For my analysis whats with this overkill in disparity?
It's an educated guess off people with money. Even assuming this decently useful ship will only be worth 10M in a year (we have a worse precedent doing that) this will provide a 70% markup. Considering I'd make like 15-50% per item when I traded, this is a better deal and also with lower effort and investment.
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Prodigal
Caldari New Genesis Project
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Posted - 2009.12.16 08:40:00 -
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Curious whether it will be insurable or not?
Also curious as to what kind of salvage it will pony up?
Cheers,
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.12.16 08:53:00 -
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I can easily see this hitting 10mil+ early on IF its useful.
One per account, people won't want to sell on account of looking awesome (lol hanger ornaments but whatever), and IF its worth using over a covops in wormholes, wormhole corps will probably try to buy up tremendous amounts of them. Plus the usual buy-and-hold-for-a-year speculators/investors.
If it's sufficiently good I actually would not be surprised to see it go over 20.
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Bodega Cat
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Posted - 2009.12.17 20:35:00 -
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Its worth the price of an account to start if you ask me, assuming thats what it takes to get as many of them you want out of the gate.
Whats a 30 day plex?
Buy it for less, or sell it for more, either way its a deal.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.17 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bodega Cat Its worth the price of an account to start if you ask me, assuming thats what it takes to get as many of them you want out of the gate.
Whats a 30 day plex?
Buy it for less, or sell it for more, either way its a deal.
A plex costs approx 270 mil. I'll sell you my 2 zephyrs for 250 mil a piece, easy.
So... I guess the true value lies somewhere in between 3 and 250 mil
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Hashimoto Hoshiko
Caldari Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:01:00 -
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Posting to confirm that I will be .01 ISKing the other guy's order.
Current going price: 3,000,000.01 ISK per Zephyr.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hashimoto Hoshiko Posting to confirm that I will be .01 ISKing the other guy's order.
Current going price: 3,000,000.01 ISK per Zephyr.
good luck, people are offering 20 mil per ship in the WTB forum. Contracts are 2 mil and up for buying and up to 100 mil for selling.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.18 03:28:00 -
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there are already buy orders alone for 20 mill. Also ppl trying to sell them for over 100+ mill - Everyone like has one; arnt these people being delusionally wishful?
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SexyTrader 02
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Posted - 2009.12.18 04:30:00 -
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There is a significant number of WTB Contracts up for around 15m, this seems to be the realistic price point. If they're 15m now you can expect they will probably appreciate quickly and to a decent value over the next year. They offer unique, useful functionality and they will never again be offered (presumably). They will be targets of suicide ganking and will be seen as trophies so their numbers will be significantly reduced. The peak concurrency of Eve is about 50k, with something like 300k active accounts. Double peak concurrency roughly (this is super rough) to get an idea of the number of actively monitored accounts, AKA the ones who will receive a Zephyr. So say 100-150k Zephyrs many of which will die gloriously in the next year. Yeah, these will be worth a decent amount in a year. Not a fortune, but a decent amount for doing nothing more than clicking a button and then holding them.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2009.12.18 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Thoraemond
One difference between this ship and the Apotheosis is that these will be one per Account, while those were one per Pilot, so (i) that is roughly 55% fewer units in existence, and (ii) some people who would not consider buying extras might want to pick up a second or third for their alt(s).
I think you're wrong on this one. The Apotheosis (just like the snowball launchers) was also 1 per account, not one per character. I've never sold one of these and I've never bought one of these and have 1 snowball launcher and 1 Apotheosis in my assets. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Unikk
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Posted - 2009.12.18 12:56:00 -
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Well I just sold one of mine for 26m to a WTB contract in Jita 4-4. Not too shabby!
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2009.12.18 13:32:00 -
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Holy **** Godsmack, your freaking Zephyr thread is everywhere. One in S&I, one in C&P and MD. Do you have an obsession with these things or something?
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2009.12.18 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson Holy **** Godsmack, your freaking Zephyr thread is everywhere. One in S&I, one in C&P and MD. Do you have an obsession with these things or something?
No comment....
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Femaref
Armageddon Day
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Posted - 2009.12.18 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: Thoraemond
One difference between this ship and the Apotheosis is that these will be one per Account, while those were one per Pilot, so (i) that is roughly 55% fewer units in existence, and (ii) some people who would not consider buying extras might want to pick up a second or third for their alt(s).
I think you're wrong on this one. The Apotheosis (just like the snowball launchers) was also 1 per account, not one per character. I've never sold one of these and I've never bought one of these and have 1 snowball launcher and 1 Apotheosis in my assets.
they were one per character.
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Sue MeiWydoncha
Caldari Union of Disinterested Parties
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Posted - 2009.12.18 22:39:00 -
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platinum insurance on it is 5k
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.12.19 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: Thoraemond
One difference between this ship and the Apotheosis is that these will be one per Account, while those were one per Pilot, so (i) that is roughly 55% fewer units in existence, and (ii) some people who would not consider buying extras might want to pick up a second or third for their alt(s).
I think you're wrong on this one. The Apotheosis (just like the snowball launchers) was also 1 per account, not one per character. I've never sold one of these and I've never bought one of these and have 1 snowball launcher and 1 Apotheosis in my assets.
This is the first item outside of the Interbus shuttle (with the game box) that has been one per account. The snowballs and apotheosis were all automatically placed in the clone locations of every single character in-game (I ended up with about 15 apotheosis and several destroyers fitted with snowball launchers). I'm only going to end up with about 5 of these ships.
If you only had one character of course, you only got one snowball launcher / apotheosis, if not each character will have one at their clone location, they won't go all to one char, so they will not show in one char's assets.
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Opportunity Costs
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.19 21:07:00 -
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there are currently WTB contracts for 20 millions
so, the lulz @ those who said "nothing" __________________________________ - Mining your own minerals doesnt drop your manufacturing costs! - Marginal earnings is what actually counts - Time is isk and enjoyment is isk aswell |
Buzz LiteBeer
Minmatar Crimson Star Empire Symbiogenesis
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Posted - 2009.12.19 22:31:00 -
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I see 3 possibilities
1. Its gonna be kinda worthless due to ccp fully implementing it either offering it like civilian items, agent rewards, etc
2. Its gonna be slightly collectible but due to the high volume of them given out they will never reach the status of ships like impoc, magenates, or opus. Also due to peoples knowledge of such value of forementioned ships, they will hoard and hold onto these in an attempt to create a vacuum but really kinda pointless
3. It will be uber collectible
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gallminin
Gallente Mining Manufacturing Industrialist
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Posted - 2009.12.28 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH My two cents:
They will be damn near worthless when they first come out because every person who has an active account will get one. No market to be had at initial launch. However in 5 months to a year, I expect them to be quite valuable as some get lost to PvP and new accounts wanting them.
Again, that is my two cents.
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