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Elukka
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Posted - 2010.01.02 10:47:00 -
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There's really no excuse for many of the planets and moons to look like south California. There is no in-universe explanation. The only reason is it was filmed in south California.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.02 20:07:00 -
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1) If FTL is possible (I pointed out that it might not be) - then you will have FTL before you get a single planet terraformed. Terraforming takes millenia. They don't have an exact technical equivalency but they are on the same magnitude of effort - that is - a hell of a lot. One is much more technically challenging conceptually - but the other is horrendously more challenging physically.
2) The State of California is generally spoken of as Northern and Southern California - not North and South California. The confusion is understandable for someone not from the States as there is a North and South Dakota as well as North and South Carolina. These four are however entire states unto themselves - where as Northern and Southern California are loosely described regions within one state. If there is a dividing line between the two - and I live there - I don't know what it is but San Fransisco on up IS considered to be in Northern California while Santa Barbara and below are part of Southern California. There is a good bit of distance between these cities but there is no "Middle California".
3) Yes - of course - they all look like So Cal because that's where it was filmed. But ... there are parts of California that don't all look like the Planets in Firefly. So a little more care in choosing their locations - the same kind of care that Whedon exercised in filming BTVS - could have produced a larger variety of appearances.
4) Subjectively - yes - we all have different tastes and one's preference for Firefly over B5 is a matter of that taste. However, objectively - there are a number of criteria that Firefly and B5 can be judged on that make B5 a vastly superior SciFi series - which I have already mentioned, if not necessarily in direct comparison. Sooo ...
a) Firefly was terminated at or before one season - thus not giving it the time to develop the depth which B5 enjoyed over 5 years. b) B5 is about not just half a dozen or so individuals and their relationships with each other and their government but about multiple Inter Stellar Civilizations. c) The characters in B5 are from those different civilizations but each has their own personality on top of that - Firefly merely has about half a dozen characters who are all human with only their own personalities to give them depth. d) B5 is about war on an Interstellar Level Firefly is about interplanetary warfare. e) In B5 you have massed fleets of ships each with their own races designs and weapons. Firefly is primarily about one ship with a few others we don't see much of thrown in. c) B5 covers a fairly long chronological time period whereas Firefly takes place all within a few years - and mostly within a few months. d) I'm not going to judge the quality of the acting in either one - however - the actors in B5 had to portray a number of different species, with all their idiosyncrasies whereas the actors on Firefly had to only portray humans. Thus the challenge to the actors in B5 was much greater. e) As often mentioned before in this thread - Firefly isn't really SciFi at all. It's just a post American Civil War Western set in Outer Space. B5 is a Science Fiction Classic.
Anyway, I could probably go on but that's enough to demonstrate that they aren't in the same league - objectively - whatever ones personal, subjective, preference might be.
As I said before - there are Series and Movies or combinations of the two that do compare in scope and complexity with B5 - specifically the Star Gate, Star Wars and Star Trek efforts - though I'd not want to say I'm limiting comparability to those three. Firefly, however - simply isn't in the class of any of these. It was a small, entertaining little niche show - which is something of an achievement - but it was not in the same league as the big boys of the Sci Fi world.
That doesn't mean you can't like Firefly better than anything else - just that it isn't comparable.
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Elukka
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Posted - 2010.01.03 07:20:00 -
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Are you saying B5 is objectively superior because it's bigger? All you say is pure opinion, and calling it objective doesn't change anything. I do like my space opera with massive fleets and the struggle of civilizations, (I write that sort of thing sometimes) but I also like smaller, more personal drama.
There's no way to objectively judge the superiority of one series to another, and really, what point is there in trying? Just watch what you like.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 03/01/2010 11:09:09
Originally by: Elukka Are you saying B5 is objectively superior because it's bigger? All you say is pure opinion, and calling it objective doesn't change anything. I do like my space opera with massive fleets and the struggle of civilizations, (I write that sort of thing sometimes) but I also like smaller, more personal drama.
There's no way to objectively judge the superiority of one series to another, and really, what point is there in trying? Just watch what you like.
It isn't just that it's "bigger" it's that there is a lot more to it - which isn't the same thing. You have layers of complexity, a more in depth concept - and yes - that is objectively better. It's like comparing classical music to punk ... or in this case ... country music. The classical music is better - there's much more to it - but some people like punk ... or country ... more.
And - if you'll notice - I'm not the only one in this thread that thinks B5 has much more to offer than Firefly.
If you can't see that - that's fine. It doesn't really matter. There isn't really much point to any of the threads on internet forums ... just idle academic discussions.
And yes - of course - watch what you like.
A Mercedes is a better car than a Chevy - but I'd still rather drive my 1969 Camaro.
Oh ... Ha! Ha! Yeah ... I write that sort of thing sometimes too.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.01.04 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 04/01/2010 09:04:12
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Nothing is perfect - but - as a whole - B5 is the best Sci Fi Series Ever - hands down. Nothing else even comes close. IN MY OPINION
see those 3 words i used to FYP that avoids you having to type a proof for your ridiculous and frankly stupid claim?
This is not to mention the repeated posts after where you try to continue to convince everyone the show your all o-face about is truly THE BEST no matter the competition.
There is no BEST. There are opinions. Tastes differ (edited that wasn't nice). Watch, I'll show you an example:
B5 was weak failsauce, in my opinion.
see the genius in the simplicity?
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nahtoh
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Antaeus Combine
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Posted - 2010.01.05 00:16:00 -
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I like both...ones not better than the other they are just different. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.05 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 04/01/2010 09:04:12
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Nothing is perfect - but - as a whole - B5 is the best Sci Fi Series Ever - hands down. Nothing else even comes close. IN MY OPINION
see those 3 words i used to FYP that avoids you having to type a proof for your ridiculous and frankly stupid claim?
This is not to mention the repeated posts after where you try to continue to convince everyone the show your all o-face about is truly THE BEST no matter the competition.
There is no BEST. There are opinions. Tastes differ (edited that wasn't nice). Watch, I'll show you an example:
B5 was weak failsauce, in my opinion.
see the genius in the simplicity?
Ah crap ...
OK ... first off there are two aspects to this running dialog between myself and various posters that you have covered in your post.
One has to do with the status of B5 as being better than anything else - and the other has to do with B5 vs. Firefly.
On the subject of B5 being better than anything else - yes - that is a matter of opinion. Other works are in the same League as B5 even if I feel it is substantially better than they are. For those other works - and I listed some of them above - there is room for debate.
On the subject of B5 vs. Firefly - we are talking about the difference between Preference and Quality. Just because you like Firefly more doesn't make it better - it just means you like it more - B5 is still better. However, this wasn't a minor difference of opinion, Firefly wasn't in the same league as any of the works I mentioned and I've explained why.
If you can't see that I am correct - then please feel free to continue in error. I've given you enough information to see that you are wrong - if you can't see that by now ... *shrug* there's nothing I can do about it.
Have a Nice day and ... OBTW ... "fixing" other peoples posts is lame. If you can't use your own words to say what you want to say - don't mess with someone elses. It just makes you look ******ed. Yes ... I know that it is popular to do that - but that just goes to show how many people, who might otherwise be intelligent - can make themselves look less so by trying to seem clever.
*shrug*
One more time for those who are weak at comprehension: You can like something that is not as good as something else. Quality and Preference are not the same thing.
I liked Firefly I liked B5 B5 is vastly better than Firefly
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Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.01.05 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk just goes to show how many people, who might otherwise be intelligent - can make themselves look less so by trying to seem clever.
u can say that again
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.05 07:09:00 -
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B5 is superior to Battlestar Guhlaktikuh and firefly and one of the best sci fi series of ALL time. Too bad the last seasons sucked. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.01.05 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 04/01/2010 09:04:12
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Nothing is perfect - but - as a whole - B5 is the best Sci Fi Series Ever - hands down. Nothing else even comes close. IN MY OPINION
see those 3 words i used to FYP that avoids you having to type a proof for your ridiculous and frankly stupid claim?
This is not to mention the repeated posts after where you try to continue to convince everyone the show your all o-face about is truly THE BEST no matter the competition.
There is no BEST. There are opinions. Tastes differ (edited that wasn't nice). Watch, I'll show you an example:
B5 was weak failsauce, in my opinion.
see the genius in the simplicity?
Here, here and here. These are for you. Enjoy.
You should also note that your second sentence argues against your first. The quote you use argues against the last half of the second sentence. And that your third sentence/paragraph argues against the whole premise of your post. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.01.05 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib Here, here and here. These are for you. Enjoy.
Hey, thanks
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.01.05 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Hey, thanks
Cheers, YW. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.01.07 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Freyya on 07/01/2010 09:34:51 One thing i'm just wondering and haven't seen anything about yet; Has anyone tried the Starfury flightsim i linked on page 2 already and have any opinions about?
In case you missed it: Babylon 5 Starfury simulator
Direct download to the latest full game exe: Game exe and the extra missions are to be found on the navbar on the right of the site.
Read, learn, play, enjoy, rejoice, hope (for a sequel).
Ohh and they have an apple version aswell! ___________
NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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