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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1083
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:09:00 -
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Equus wrote:1. Alliance turns out to be ******, no one defends but just docks up when nuets/reds enter the system. 2. To find good targets if I am based deep in null sec I have to travel 20+ systems. 3. Bubbles, sorry, I know they have a purpose, and yes there are ways to deal with them, but I don't like them and I don't want to deal with them. 4. CTA's and deployments, I have talked to a couple null sec corps that have actual deployments. Now I guess that is kind of fun if that is what you are into, but one corp had three week deployments in which you were not allowed to go anywhere or do anything outside of your deployed region. No thanks, I like to pew pew when I feel like it and relax and carebear it up when I feel like it. 5. Politics 6. Logistics of getting equipment on your own schedule and not waiting until there is a chance that your corp may have room on the next JF. 7. Gate camps, woohoo, lets spend 2 hours sitting on a gate in the hopes that a target or two may come through.
Most members of the CFC don't have to deal with CTAs, are not forced to deploy anywhere and do not have to worry about the logistical hassle of moving stuff from Empire, considering that several people offer such services. You can't escape politics in any large organization, in EVE or otherwise. You don't have to camp gates and the only reason people dock up when neuts/reds enter the system is because nobody has bothered to form a gang to counter them (sorry, don't even suggest "growing balls" and "taking them on yourself" because it's 20 dudes versus you) and bubbles are a fact of 0.0 life.
It's one thing if nullsec simply doesn't suit you - there is nothing that we or CCP can do to make nullsec for everyone. It's another if nullsec mechanics are hindering willing players from participating due to sheer tedium (i.e. the ****-poor state of industry outside of titan building) eh |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
160
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:10:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Riedle wrote: And if a small gang was harassing one of your stations now you can just go through a jump bridge and you can have a 10-1 advantage in about 3 mins. Without JB's that would take you much longer thus forcing each station to be somewhat self sufficient and be able to fend off small roaming gangs themselves.
There's so much nonsense in this I can't even respond succintly. This is a nonsensical view of why people don't small-gang pvp, it's a nonsensical idea of nullsec to begin with ("each station being self-sufficient") it's just nonsensical everything. People don't fight small roaming gangs because it's usually pointless and just encourages more roaming gangs, and the roaming gangs can't actually do anything if you just dock up your ratting ship, and my god this is just so dumb.
I still do small gangs in 0.0 - maybe why you are having an inability to understand is because you don't.
Yeah, radical idea that people in 0.0 should expect to, you know, PVP a bit.
call me CRAZY
lol |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3556
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:12:00 -
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you clearly are very, very bad at it because you don't understand what's going on at all
if you want to incentivize people fighting small gangs you make things that the small gang can destroy that people don't want to let them destroy
jump bridges have nothing to do with why you're getting owned or not getting fights |

Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
320
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:12:00 -
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Real men are in wormholes. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Lord Zim
863
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:13:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Dude, I don't even know what you are talking about anymore.
You do realize that you are the only one talking about trips to fountain or delve or deklein and stuff right? You claimed that JBs were used to run around 40 jumps every day during wars. VFK to ZXB is 37 actual jumps.
Riedle wrote:lol I see you must have enjoyed that in EVE and are quite proud of it - lol good for you *Pats Head* I'm sure you were a good order taker. good for you. Everyone here is proud I'm sure.
Now, if you are able to stop reliving your past internet spaceship glories perhaps you could enter into the debate?
That's a boy. Ah, the condescending routine. I've never seen that one before.
Listen, if you ever get some actual nullsec experience, then you can come and talk to us big boys about how we need to make changes for the betterment of the game. Until then, run along and play with your small friends. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1083
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:14:00 -
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Riedle wrote:I see it as a cut throat kill or be killed haven and want to keep it that way.
It already is. The old NC decided to invade the Dronelands, galvanizing the residents and bringing about the formation of the DRF, the coalition which ultimately threw them out of the north and caused several of their contingent alliances to disband. Trivoke, PL and Raiden decided to invade our space so we trapped a significant portion of their supercapital fleet into their staging towers when they attempted a VFK headshot, allowing us to effectively undo all of their progress up to that point. White Noise entertained the thought of invading Deklein, so we kicked them out of Branch. eh |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
160
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:15:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:you clearly are very, very bad at it because you don't understand what's going on at all
if you want to incentivize people fighting small gangs you make things that the small gang can destroy that people don't want to let them destroy
jump bridges have nothing to do with why you're getting owned or not getting fights
Well inbetween you did hit on another good idea. The PI extractors should have a massive HP decrease. That way a small gang could go through and if no one came out to defend their space they could go shoot up the PI extractors or whatever they are called. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1083
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:16:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Well inbetween you did hit on another good idea. The PI extractors should have a massive HP decrease. That way a small gang could go through and if no one came out to defend their space they could go shoot up the PI extractors or whatever they are called.
anyone who knows what they're talking about would know that they're called pocos eh |

Lord Zim
863
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:17:00 -
[429] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Riedle wrote:I see it as a cut throat kill or be killed haven and want to keep it that way. It already is. The old NC decided to invade the Dronelands, galvanizing the residents and bringing about the formation of the DRF, the coalition which ultimately threw them out of the north and caused several of their contingent alliances to disband. Trivoke, PL and Raiden decided to invade our space so we trapped a significant portion of their supercapital fleet into their staging towers when they attempted a VFK headshot, allowing us to effectively undo all of their progress up to that point. White Noise entertained the thought of invading Deklein, so we kicked them out of Branch. But if only the JBs were nerfed to home defense fleets wouldn't kick his arse so much, nullsec would be REALLY hardcore, cutthroat etc! If only! |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
161
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:17:00 -
[430] - Quote
Quote:You claimed that JBs were used to run around 40 jumps every day during wars. VFK to ZXB is 37 actual jumps.
No, I said JB's make power projection too easy.
Quote:Ah, the condescending routine. I've never seen that one before.
lol that's rich coming from someone who until now could only throw personal insults or talk about how his Daddy took him to Deklein one time and you obviously enjoyed it very much. lol
Quote:Listen, if you ever get some actual nullsec experience, then you can come and talk to us big boys about how we need to make changes for the betterment of the game. Until then, run along and play with your small friends.
Awww.. what a cutie. Thinks he is a big boy. so cute. |

Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
56
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:18:00 -
[431] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote: Jump drives have done more to ruin lo/nullsec industrialists than anything else.
+1. Would love to see JDs nerfed/removed. Make the universe feel big again.
Also agree with otherwise boosting industrialists in null. |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
161
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:18:00 -
[432] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Riedle wrote:Well inbetween you did hit on another good idea. The PI extractors should have a massive HP decrease. That way a small gang could go through and if no one came out to defend their space they could go shoot up the PI extractors or whatever they are called. anyone who knows what they're talking about would know that they're called pocos
I already said I don't do industry lol |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1084
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:18:00 -
[433] - Quote
Riedle wrote:Awww.. what a cutie. Thinks he is a big boy. so cute.
your small gang pvp alliance has certainly made far more of an impact in nullsec than bat country eh |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
161
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:19:00 -
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Quote:But if only the JBs were nerfed to home defense fleets wouldn't kick his arse so much, nullsec would be REALLY hardcore, cutthroat etc! If only!
Ahh, but you are the PVP pro eh? lol
sad state of affairs |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
161
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:23:00 -
[435] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Riedle wrote:Awww.. what a cutie. Thinks he is a big boy. so cute. your small gang pvp alliance has certainly made far more of an impact in nullsec than bat country
Dude, seriously? Who cares?
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1084
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:23:00 -
[436] - Quote
Riedle wrote:Quote:But if only the JBs were nerfed to home defense fleets wouldn't kick his arse so much, nullsec would be REALLY hardcore, cutthroat etc! If only! Ahh, but you are the PVP pro eh? lol sad state of affairs
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13420725
yeah we can tell that this was clearly a very engaging fight but you overcame the odds and killed the drake and hurricane eh |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
162
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:26:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Riedle wrote:Quote:But if only the JBs were nerfed to home defense fleets wouldn't kick his arse so much, nullsec would be REALLY hardcore, cutthroat etc! If only! Ahh, but you are the PVP pro eh? lol sad state of affairs http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13420725yeah we can tell that this was clearly a very engaging fight but you overcame the odds and killed the drake and hurricane
lol dude, clearly making an impact. You have 4 kills to your name. you is pro.
Anyways, it was enlightening. Goonies should put a forum leash on the idiots - that's what I learned.
toodles. |

Lord Zim
863
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:27:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Quote:You claimed that JBs were used to run around 40 jumps every day during wars. VFK to ZXB is 37 actual jumps. No, I said JB's make power projection too easy. Uh huh. Let's go back a few pages, shall we?
Riedle wrote:But without jump bridges the sales job that 'This is an essential OP to the Alliance will become that much harder to make once you have fleet members jump 40 jumps each way to attack a POS of a smaller alliance you have never heard of. Fancy that. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1084
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:29:00 -
[439] - Quote
Riedle wrote:lol dude, clearly making an impact. You have 4 kills to your name. you is pro.
Anyways, it was enlightening. Goonies should put a forum leash on the idiots - that's what I learned.
toodles.
my PvP main is unsubbed but unlike you I'm not concerned about kdr eh |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
162
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:30:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Riedle wrote:Quote:You claimed that JBs were used to run around 40 jumps every day during wars. VFK to ZXB is 37 actual jumps. No, I said JB's make power projection too easy. Uh huh. Let's go back a few pages, shall we? Riedle wrote:But without jump bridges the sales job that 'This is an essential OP to the Alliance will become that much harder to make once you have fleet members jump 40 jumps each way to attack a POS of a smaller alliance you have never heard of. Fancy that.
Ahh, I guess the alliance you were evicting in fountain delve or deklein that your Daddy took you to was a small alliance you never heard of right you knuckle dragging, knock kneed, lazy eyed, hook nosed turd sluper?
lol
night all - please tip your server |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
162
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:31:00 -
[441] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Riedle wrote:lol dude, clearly making an impact. You have 4 kills to your name. you is pro.
Anyways, it was enlightening. Goonies should put a forum leash on the idiots - that's what I learned.
toodles. my PvP main is unsubbed but unlike you I'm not concerned about kdr
You are the one who brought it up shitstain. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1296
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:31:00 -
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ruh rohhh |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1084
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:31:00 -
[443] - Quote
Riedle wrote:Ahh, I guess the alliance you were evicting in fountain delve or deklein that your Daddy took you to was a small alliance you never heard of right you knuckle dragging, knock kneed, lazy eyed, hook nosed turd sluper?
lol
night all - please tip your server
and you say /we/ are resorting to personal attacks eh |

dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:31:00 -
[444] - Quote
I see we've backpedaled so far now that we've fallen over ourselves and we were really talking about small gang pvp all along.
Unfortunately you're still wrong, as the problem with small gang pvp in nullsec is lack of meaningful targets for them to hit. The best defensive option is to just dock up and wait them out, which a lot of people choose, with most engagements being about voluntary "goodfights" instead of necessary defence to an applied offence. PI offices were a move in the right direction, but still part of this failed "hit point and timer" paradigm.
All removing JBs will do for small gangs is mean less people bothering to own and use nullsec space, and correspondingly less targets.
Fortunately for everyone else, this concept of "farms and fields" is what is driving current discussions over nullsec redesign, so the opinion of clueless mouthbreathers on JBs is meaningless. |

Lord Zim
863
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:32:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Ahh, I guess the alliance you were evicting in fountain delve or deklein that your Daddy took you to was a small alliance you never heard of right you knuckle dragging, knock kneed, lazy eyed, hook nosed turd sluper?
lol
night all - please tip your server So you're so unfamiliar with nullsec you don't even know who we evicted?
I see. |

Kieron VonDeux
42
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:32:00 -
[446] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:
yeah we can tell that this was clearly a very engaging fight but you overcame the odds and killed the drake and hurricane
If only we could get past the "my peen is biggger than your peen" thing...
|

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
162
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:34:00 -
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Quote:So you're so unfamiliar with nullsec you don't even know who we evicted?
I see.
Are you seriously this dumb or are you being obtuse?
Please let it be you being obtuse as I already fret about the future of humanity as it is.
I know who you evicted your ignoramus. You apparently are really proud of it. I thought I already said congratulations?
What I was saying is that my opening scenario was not that. Do you get it now.
Please god, tell me that you do? |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1084
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:37:00 -
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Riedle wrote:I know who you evicted your ignoramus. You apparently are really proud of it.
Yes, we evicted what constituted, at the time, the largest alliance in the game, one with a history of touting itself as ~omnipotence itself~ - yes, you could say we we would have been quite proud of it, had they not imploded with drama. eh |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
162
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:39:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Riedle wrote:I know who you evicted your ignoramus. You apparently are really proud of it. Yes, we evicted what constituted, at the time, the largest alliance in the game, one with a history of touting itself as ~omnipotence itself~ - yes, you could say we we would have been quite proud of it, had they not imploded with drama.
*smiles awkwardly and backs away slowly looking for the nearest exit hoping they will get the help that they need* |

Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
96
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:40:00 -
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Well this thread went to ****. |
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