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Ka'Narlist
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Posted - 2009.12.21 15:49:00 -
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Wtf does that mean?
I lost 2 ships in a sisters of eve mission because i couldnt warp out (could read it with the second ship for the first time) and now in a fight with someone who stole my ore the same message appeared (and i lost another ship).
Once someone disrupted my warp drive and the message said that he is doing it, so what does "external factors" mean?
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.12.21 15:57:00 -
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It depends on where you are trying to warp to.
You usually get that message when you are trying to warp from one place in dead space to another. Usually though you can warp to some place outside of the mission space you are in, such as a base, warp gate or planet.
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Ka'Narlist
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Posted - 2009.12.21 16:01:00 -
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Well in all cases i tried to warp back to a station to dock there
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.12.21 16:20:00 -
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It means that the drones are warp scrambling you. You can't warp out while they are scrambling you.
Next time you make an attempt at that mission, fit small guns and webs and kill the warp scrambling drones first, then the mission will become easier.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.12.21 16:43:00 -
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If someone is doing something to you, warp scrambling, jamming, neuting, etc., there will be a little symbol on the right edge of the over view on that guys line.
Kill him first.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.21 17:34:00 -
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Greetings:
On the overview screen, make sure you have some space on the far right as that is where you will see the party webbing, target painting, etc. you.
Thank you.
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Ka'Narlist
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Posted - 2009.12.21 18:50:00 -
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ok thx
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.21 18:56:00 -
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For what it is worth, I've lost a Drake and a Raven to that. There were NO ships warp scrambling me according to the overview, but there were a LOT of them webbing me; my speed was 0 so perhaps that is what prevented me.
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.12.21 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander For what it is worth, I've lost a Drake and a Raven to that. There were NO ships warp scrambling me according to the overview, but there were a LOT of them webbing me; my speed was 0 so perhaps that is what prevented me.
Webs won't reduce your speed to 0. They're % based, so they stack. The lowest possible would be roughly 0.1 m/s. Basically, you're prevented from warping only if 1) you're trying to warp within a deadspace pocket to another place in the pocket, or 2) someone's warp scrambling you.
It's a common misconception that "x has begun trying to warp scramble you" means that scrambling can fail, which it does not. When you see the message, check your overview for the warp scrambler icon, or look for the telltale animation coming from a ship to yours (it looks like a bluish cone). On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.12.21 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known
It's a common misconception that "x has begun trying to warp scramble you" means that scrambling can fail, which it does not.
The reason they put trying there is because it can fail. But only when you have warp core stabilizers installed.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente The Rise of The Dragon Knights Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.22 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander For what it is worth, I've lost a Drake and a Raven to that. There were NO ships warp scrambling me according to the overview, but there were a LOT of them webbing me; my speed was 0 so perhaps that is what prevented me.
Actually, if you are webbed but not scrambled you should be able to warp out faster as you have a lower maximum speed. So you had a different problem. So take note tacklers, first scram, then web or both at the same time Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie ROTDK is recruiting
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.22 00:41:00 -
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Yup, but as I stated, and you even quoted, there was no scram on me! Either time.
My velocity showed as 0.0 with all the webs.
Both times were an oh-sh** moment at about 75% shield when I pulled too much, so I had lots of time to try to do something about it. But there was nothing to do, as there was. no scram indicated I just started killing all the webbers, which didn't help fast enough.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.12.22 11:36:00 -
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One thing here I didn't mention before.
If you don't have their drones set to be displayed and they are the ones doing the scrambling then there won't be a line for them on the overview to have that symbol displayed on. I'm not sure about the settings for drones launched from NPC's as opposed to Rogue Drones. The Rogue Drones automatically display. You're own drones do not. NPC launched Drones - I don't know.
Of course another reason for not being able to warp - is that you've got something in front of you that you can't see because of the bulk of your ship. That has gotten me in trouble more than once. Usually it is a wreck but it could be a piece of eye candy from the mission or a small asteroid.
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Dex Timor
Forza Di Colpo
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Posted - 2009.12.22 11:55:00 -
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Sometimes you can get stuck on an object. This only happens if your ship can't turn and accelerate towards the place you want to warp to. The indication for this happening is your speed gauge acting strangely, as if it couldn't decide what to do.
Generally you should keep your ship facing towards the place you want to warp to as this reduces the time your ship needs to align before it can warp. But most of the times it's a warp scrambling frigate / drone holding you back.
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2009.12.22 16:19:00 -
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btw neuting and nosing doesn't show up n the overview as it isn't considered "e-war"
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Wesley Hawkins
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.12.22 16:25:00 -
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I was running missions the other day.
That is all.
Edits: Was doing a mission think it was called the assault or something. Anyways i got this same message and i looked to make sure i was not pointed. What it seemed like to me is that the "fog" you warp into when arriving at the encounter scrams you. As i got out of the cloud/fog i was able to warp again.
Not sure if this is how it works, but it is how it seemed to work as i was hauling ass out of the clouded area spamming warp.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2009.12.23 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Timor
Generally you should keep your ship facing towards the place you want to warp to as this reduces the time your ship needs to align before it can warp. But most of the times it's a warp scrambling frigate / drone holding you back.
This is a common misconception. The only time you will lower time to go into warp is if you align to your destination. Where you face barring alignment has no impact.
Also. If you had no Capacitor that could be a reason for not warping.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.12.23 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges
Also. If you had no Capacitor that could be a reason for not warping.
Nope.
You can initiate warp with 0 cap, you just wont make it all the way to your destination.
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Jose Black
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Posted - 2009.12.23 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Glassback
You can initiate warp with 0 cap, you just wont make it all the way to your destination.
If you had exactly zero cap, you wouldn't warp. But since it always recharges you'll hardly ever be completely out of it. In practice you shouldn't be able to warp if you don't have enough cap for the minimal warp distance of 150km.
The message You can't warp due to external factors.. imo only shows up when trying to warp inside deadspace pockets. The key is that even the first gate of the mission counts as inside deadspace. Thats why you get the message when trying to warp to the mission again while still being inside it. I bet the OP actually tried warping there instead a station. If you're scrambled the message would be You can't warp cause you're warp scrambled, not something about external factors.
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2009.12.23 13:42:00 -
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OP: Assuming you were doing "Burning Down the Hive" you just met your first Warp Scramblers. That's the first mission that will eat ships untl you figure out how to complete it, or someone explains. It's also where you learn that experienced players think it's amusing to give you bad advice so you lose another ship - "PvP via chat".
The "Strain" drones in *one* group in the final room have either Webs or Scrams. Range is 10 or 12 km. If you're in a Destroyer or Frigate and you get webbed, you'll be swarmed and killed.
Not an easy mission for a rookie, but there are several ways to solo it, including kiting with a frigate, fitting warp stabilizers, kite/dps with a destroyer.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.23 16:49:00 -
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For what it is worth, the two missions where it happened to me are: * When Worlds Collide (Angels/Sansha), pocket 2 Sansha Base * Intercept The Saboteurs (Guristas)
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.12.24 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Xyla Kador btw neuting and nosing doesn't show up n the overview as it isn't considered "e-war"
Nope. They show up. Little red symbol.
Of course the great big red beam of draining energy is kind of a give away too ...
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Dex Timor
Forza Di Colpo
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Posted - 2009.12.25 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges
Originally by: Dex Timor
Generally you should keep your ship facing towards the place you want to warp to as this reduces the time your ship needs to align before it can warp. But most of the times it's a warp scrambling frigate / drone holding you back.
This is a common misconception. The only time you will lower time to go into warp is if you align to your destination. Where you face barring alignment has no impact.
Also. If you had no Capacitor that could be a reason for not warping.
You didn't read my post.
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Hatincat
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Posted - 2010.02.25 18:15:00 -
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I've had this happen 2 days running, and have lost 2 expensively fitted Ravens as a result.
The first time, I was aligned to where I was trying to warp to. The 2nd time, I wasn't aligned, but tried warping once my shield was lower than 50% and still hadn't warped out a minute or so later when I died.
Both times I checked the overview, and I wasn't being warp scrambled. Today, I also checked my log - said nothing about being warp scrambled.
Both times I've received the mail notification of insurance payment before I see my ship explode, which implies the game is well out of sync when it happens.
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Yarinor
Yarinors Trust Fund
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Posted - 2010.02.26 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Glassback
Originally by: Jerid Verges
Also. If you had no Capacitor that could be a reason for not warping.
Nope.
You can initiate warp with 0 cap, you just wont make it all the way to your destination.
Actually, you cannot warp if you don't have enough cap to initiate a 150km warp.
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sigash
Nephite Tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.26 16:38:00 -
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Slightly off topic, I have noticed long warp delays in some missions where I've chosen to not kill all the rats. Specifically these are Recon (2 of 3) and Cargo Delivery.
I know I'm being webbed by some frigates, but since I'm not being scrammed and my tank can handle the damage I'm not overly bothered. But, I know at some stage I'm going to get a bad break and my tank may not survive the onslaught.
So anyone got any ideas as to what's causing this delay in warping?
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Ancy Denaries
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.27 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 27/02/2010 08:14:19 There is a crapload of misinformation in this thread.
You cannot iniate warp if
a) You are actively being warp scrambled. Icon in overview. b) You are in a warp supression field (bubble). Only in 0.0. c) You are inside a deadspace field and attempt to warp to any location inside that deadspace field.
All the above will show the "External factors" message.
Warp will fail if
a) You are "stuck" on an object. The ship will start aligning, but bounce off the object again and again b) You are actively being bumped. See above. c) You stop your ship after initiating warp.
The above will not display any error message. You simply not enter warp, since your ship is trying to align.
There are NO warp disruption fields anywhere but in 0.0, and only at anchored bubbles, launched dictor bubbles or heavy interdictor bubbles. You will never be hindered to enter warp anywhere else due to fields. Everywhere else there is a directed, active scrambler on you. If you get "External factors", you are being warp scrambled. Period. (or attempt to warp inside deadspace) You can always enter warp, regardless of your capacitor status. You will however not go further than 1 million Km if you have an empty cap. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog
Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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