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Toko Baru
Kleinrock Heavy Industries The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.12.23 22:30:00 -
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Freakz EVE peeps,
Just my wonder about how many deafs pilot do EVE ONLINE have? Because i'm self deaf.
I want know about how many deaf pilots here around systems played.
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Jovoich
Kleinrock Heavy Industries The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.12.23 22:33:00 -
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Not only is Toko deaf, but hes also a crazy dutch guy! If there are any other players who have hearing issues out there people send toko a message.
thanks!
[center]I call 'Bull****' CCP. Isn't it great that the alchemy process was introduced & can 'take up the slack?'[/cente |
Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.12.23 22:50:00 -
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A quick search found me this rather new post.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.23 22:51:00 -
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wat?
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.12.23 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20 wat?
You're a ****ing moron.
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.12.23 23:03:00 -
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Given EVE is text based i don't see how its an issue, anyone who actually complains about it really needs to take a look at themselves before deciding not to recruit people because of being deaf, i wouldn't have any issue with it and we had a deaf girl in our corp at one point, sadly we weren't very active so she left but we accepted her regardless and i would welcome any disabled people to the corp i have no issues with it :)
Also EVE has no sound so they aren't missing out ^^ Rally Against Evil Site |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.12.23 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous Given EVE is text based i don't see how its an issue, anyone who actually complains about it really needs to take a look at themselves before deciding not to recruit people because of being deaf, i wouldn't have any issue with it and we had a deaf girl in our corp at one point, sadly we weren't very active so she left but we accepted her regardless and i would welcome any disabled people to the corp i have no issues with it :)
Also EVE has no sound so they aren't missing out ^^
You'd be surprised how many CEOs or otherwise 'guild' leaders in MMOs insist people use some kind of VOIP. Not really because the games demand it, but because they enjoy hearing themselves talk.
My personal theory is after a day of working drive through at MacDonalds they like to be giving the orders through a speaker for a change.
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.12.23 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous Given EVE is text based i don't see how its an issue, anyone who actually complains about it really needs to take a look at themselves before deciding not to recruit people because of being deaf, i wouldn't have any issue with it and we had a deaf girl in our corp at one point, sadly we weren't very active so she left but we accepted her regardless and i would welcome any disabled people to the corp i have no issues with it :)
Most if not all corps require you to be in voice coms when doing pvp ops. Some even have a "if online be aviable in voice" rule.
Voice coms are the preferd method of communication in combat situations because it's faster. It's hard to relay those commands to deaf players. That's why it is an issue.
Originally by: Cypherous Also EVE has no sound so they aren't missing out ^^
Trying to be funny? I know I couldn't laugh about that one if I were concerned.
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Denny Haze
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.12.23 23:30:00 -
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Regarding voice comms my girlfriend hates them, cause she's mute, but she also enjoys listening to other people talk. She find everyone ignoring text chat due to voice stupid, and has lost a few vessels due to that.
It's worse for hearing impaired, but still very uncomfortable to speech impaired.
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Benco97
Gallente Shadow Veil Industrial
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Posted - 2009.12.23 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Benco97 on 23/12/2009 23:40:58 I have no hearing problems myself but I DESPISE voice comms and while my previous corp didn't actually exclude me from any OPs they also didn't put any commands into chat so I never had a clue what to do.
Whenever I did use vent to listen in they were NEVER talking about the goddamn game anyway and THAT is why I hate voice comms, yes yes, we play the same game, no, I don't want to know how high you are or how many times you got laid last week, thankyou.
Edit- And I'll just add that I remember EVE before everyone used voice comms and we got along just fine but you talk to people these days and they act like it's literally impossible for a group of people to do anything at all if you're not talking about the most inane drivel in vent. ______________________________________________
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.12.24 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Toko Baru Freakz EVE peeps,
Just my wonder about how many deafs pilot do EVE ONLINE have? Because i'm self deaf.
I want know about how many deaf pilots here around systems played.
Im not deaf completely, but yes, with severely reduced hearings being a part of an alliance using teamspeak was a nightmare.. Thankfully the Fleet leader of the alliance I was a member of repeted the orders, but it was frustrating indeed.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Drykor
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.12.24 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula You'd be surprised how many CEOs or otherwise 'guild' leaders in MMOs insist people use some kind of VOIP. Not really because the games demand it, but because they enjoy hearing themselves talk.
My personal theory is after a day of working drive through at MacDonalds they like to be giving the orders through a speaker for a change.
I'm sorry but this is just plain bull****. Take a good hard look at your frustrations before coming up with a theory again.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.12.24 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Drykor I'm sorry but this is just plain bull****. Take a good hard look at your frustrations before coming up with a theory again.
Appears i've hit a nerve.
Don't worry man, there's room to move as a fry cook. You could be manager someday. KING!
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.24 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 24/12/2009 01:05:39
This is one area where simple macros would help. When I played WOW I was in a successful Guild that never used voice as it was considered too distracting and lead to over reliance on the leader rather than players learning for themselves and using their initiative. However text and target marking macros were easy to make. You can't do that in EVE which is a shame. I actually find the whole fleet UI a complete mess but them I'm used to a more professional look that shows information in a concise and complete manner.
So if your deaf I would suggest telling CCP to pull their finger out, sort their crappy UI and allow basic text macros.
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Toko Baru
Kleinrock Heavy Industries The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.12.24 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Toko Baru Freakz EVE peeps,
Just my wonder about how many deafs pilot do EVE ONLINE have? Because i'm self deaf.
I want know about how many deaf pilots here around systems played.
Im not deaf completely, but yes, with severely reduced hearings being a part of an alliance using teamspeak was a nightmare.. Thankfully the Fleet leader of the alliance I was a member of repeted the orders, but it was frustrating indeed.
I understand you but not always problem there, someone did great as relay but other one not. so i can't say which right problem
therefor i look to deaf corp or even alliance only, so dont we need a VOICE but RELAY!!!
Just i hope get enough deaf peeps atm (example 50.000 eve pilots, so we have chance of 2 till 5% deaf eve pilots)
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Myra2007
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.24 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Drykor I'm sorry but this is just plain bull****. Take a good hard look at your frustrations before coming up with a theory again.
Appears i've hit a nerve.
Don't worry man, there's room to move as a fry cook. You could be manager someday. KING!
Is your argument seriously build up on the idea that people who work at McDonald's are inferior to the rest of us? Because if you don't realize how that is a ****ed assumption I can only pity you.
Also: want some french fries to go along with your quarterpounder? --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Nonexistent Face
Amarr Deaf Rights Advocates
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Posted - 2009.12.24 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous Given EVE is text based i don't see how its an issue, anyone who actually complains about it really needs to take a look at themselves before deciding not to recruit people because of being deaf, i wouldn't have any issue with it and we had a deaf girl in our corp at one point, sadly we weren't very active so she left but we accepted her regardless and i would welcome any disabled people to the corp i have no issues with it :)
Also EVE has no sound so they aren't missing out ^^
The main issue about deaf players in general points to guilds themselves. Most guilds in most MMOs are constantly hell-bent on the need to use VOIP / voice comms for talking to each other. Where does this place the deaf player?
We could be a hardcore pvp'er or a hardcore WoW raider and still be accepted in these great guilds with a person to relay/translate chat to text for us... but surely there is something missing to this puzzle.
Haven't you noticed that deaf players usually type a lot more than hearing players in any chat channel, especially guild chat? It's called socialization - which is another leading point of interest for many players. We try to join a guild that has members who have similar attitudes, interests, and the ability to mingle with very well.
Hearing players are constantly talking on VOIP, which removes us deaf players from the social culture of this specific guild. Sure, we could ask fellow members to type instead of speaking, but that still doesn't bring us to the most appropriate feeling. We still feel like an outcast as long as VOIP is in use by our guilds.
Hell, I used to get kicked from guilds all the time because I talked too much in guild chat instead of being on ventrilo like all the other 'cool people'.
I remember the days when VOIP didn't exist. Those were the good days.
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Acrid Acid
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Posted - 2009.12.24 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Acrid Acid on 24/12/2009 02:12:46 This topic again?! Next step is to complain about teamspeak/vent and PVP... because all the damn deaf player of this game made a thread about it at least once.
No offense.
EDIT1: Oh wow, already got beaten to it... you guys are already talking about that... dang... Im out of here, cant stand this topic again.
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Toko Baru
Kleinrock Heavy Industries The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.12.24 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Acrid Acid Edited by: Acrid Acid on 24/12/2009 02:12:46 This topic again?! Next step is to complain about teamspeak/vent and PVP... because all the damn deaf player of this game made a thread about it at least once.
No offense.
EDIT1: Oh wow, already got beaten to it... you guys are already talking about that... dang... Im out of here, cant stand this topic again.
First READING before your POST >_>
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Tonoppa
7th Space Cavalry
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Posted - 2009.12.24 02:56:00 -
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Hi
I am profound deaf in both side of ear since birth so I do share your frustration at dependence on VOIP but it fact of life in pvp in eve sadly, basically best you can do is getting corp "trained" to relay important orders in fleet, I was in ATLAS and leaders had no issue trying to get relay help for me despite only 1 of few who are profound deaf.
As for VOIP in pvp, train yourself to pvp first or learn so ou can react on your own until you get order and PLAN PLAN PLAN for combat as in fleet to decide what what get pewpew first etc. I do not meant to force you to accept it but it matter of opinion and sometimes you need to find a balance between the two and I was very lucky to have some great support in communication side in pvp with chat relay.
However I am more toward focused gang operation and fleet combat that i very rarely do roaming random op because of two things, FC is a idiot or new and I simply cannot survive in fast pace roam without any relay is possible without good plan in communication process. It is doable but require some work, really.
Good luck with your aim cause I hope you get what you want.
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.12.24 04:24:00 -
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n o
t d e a f b u t a bl i nd
co r p pwns
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.12.24 04:45:00 -
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I remember several years ago just before FIX started up, one of the guys we flew with was deaf. Newb that we were, we had just got ourselves VOIP not to long before that, and it was standard for us to have someone relaying all commands into the gang channel. For one, it helps those who were either deaf or hard of hearing. On the other hand, some of us just couldn't understand what the crazy Swedish FC was telling us. :D
Worked out good all around.
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Frogzuk
Gallente Missions Mining and Mayhem Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.12.24 14:30:00 -
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i is deaf .....
yes thank you all those pilots out there that type the fleet commands in chat you know who you are points to rona/kia/V/ME/CA/razor/tnt etc etc... lub ye all :x) .. but then i flown with some real crazy fc's who have voices that cant be missed *cough* xirt the dark lord *coughs* any good hearing i had ... was eliminated when he went off on one lol
voip / ts / vent .... all cause be a degree of difficulty i can barely hear as it is one duff ear dead as a dodo and the other.... lets say i dont get stero and its muted ! Componded with the issue of accents ... it can be a nightmare !
But i have been very fortunate in eve to have met some great guys that have shown patience and understanding by do the ole command in the fleet box, it hasnt saved me all the time tho, the number of time i have not heard commands properly jumped a gate died instantly and the FC letting rip at which this point i turn the sole hearing aid off .... or worse still warp to safe pos at planat 1 moon 3 thinking it were planet 1 moon 4 and being vapourised by a hostile pos in a expensive bs ! <mutters>
froggy ...
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Katrina Rawnsberg
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Posted - 2009.12.24 15:18:00 -
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I'm not deaf myself, and I don't see the reason behind all these guilds in all these MMO's that require VOIP. Before VOIP was ever around, back in the days of dial up and EQ1, all instructions were....yes, that's right, TYPED OUT. I hate VOIP, all it ever is, is a few people talking about things you never want to hear. As someone stated earlier, no one cares how many beers you've had, or if it just made you throw up, or how drugged up you are. What's funny is, half the time, instructions are typed out anyway because too many people are talking over each other in VOIP.
So, really, those of you who are deaf, and get excluded from these types of guilds/corps, you're not missing anything, and if people can't be bothered to type knowing you're deaf, that's their loss. ;) |
Onimar Synn
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.24 15:30:00 -
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EVE soundz = mega-lag
Except for comms, I haven't "heard" this game in almost two years.
Good thing all the blinky, shinny things are there.
vOv
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.24 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Denny Haze Regarding voice comms my girlfriend hates them, cause she's mute, but she also enjoys listening to other people talk. She find everyone ignoring text chat due to voice stupid, and has lost a few vessels due to that.
It's worse for hearing impaired, but still very uncomfortable to speech impaired.
This. I had to have throat surgery several years ago and as a result I'm unable to talk in anything loud enough to be heard. Better than the alternative to be sure, but it does mean that while I can listen to voice comms, I can't actually talk on them.
Fortunately, I was lucky enough to find a corp and an alliance that didn't care about my lack of talkie talkie. They keep an eye on fleet chat for my words of wisdom, and I listen to them babbling in voice.
It is interesting though when someone who isn't on our voice system joins the fleet for an op. They all think I'm talking to myself. --Vel
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Krystal Vernet
Minmatar Gradient
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Posted - 2009.12.24 15:38:00 -
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Profound hearing loss in one ear, severe in the other. Not deaf, but close enough as far as VoIP is concerned. Before I joined Gradient, I made sure they knew I wouldn't use voice because of my hearing problems and they've been understanding about it. There are times when it's confusing or there's delays, but that sort of situation is why you have to be very much on your toes.
For relaying, it's helpful to use acronyms and commands that everyone can understand for quicker typing and reading. "joc", "hold", "warp to", "primary", "point", broadcasts, your own situational awareness. It really doesn't take much on either side to get a good communication link going.
It's even better when the relay adds in their own commentary. :D
Yes, there's still that layer of isolation from the rest of the corporation / alliance on combat ops, but as long as VoIP exists and deaf / h-o-h people play, it's going to be there. Best you can do is to encourage people to use the chat box rather than the mike.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.12.24 15:49:00 -
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I'm not deaf but some FC's are very hard to understand, I blame english not being my first language. So at some point when counter blobs went our way I just barely managed to understand the point where we should reunite and then our blob went this* way, and I that* way, resulting in the blob being in blue space and me being surrounded by reds. (We basically gathered together at a gate and when the FC said jump, I assumed jump in the gate. appeared I missed an 'align to' command. )
This topic has been raised before though, and a lot of times you can read any good corp/alliance has someone typing out the commands in fleet channel.
I think somehow we should push for this. Any fleet without typed out commands should be from now on considered a bunch of elitist nubs, with the FC in front, if they have no-one typing out the FC's commands.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.12.24 16:28:00 -
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I have selective deafness. I cannot hear the phrase 'mining op' for example. Same with 'attack a pos' and 'freighter run'.
I can however hear the words, 'there's a dude ratting in this system' before they're even spoken.
On a serious note, if there's someone in the fleet who can't use vent for some reason, typed commands are pretty much a necessity. Lay out the plan first, develop a working shorthand and then keep the more excitable types from talking about beer or why railguns are rubbish or, in combat, largely pointless information like, 'I'm dead lol' in the fleet channel. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.24 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Denny Haze Regarding voice comms my girlfriend hates them, cause she's mute, but she also enjoys listening to other people talk. She find everyone ignoring text chat due to voice stupid, and has lost a few vessels due to that.
It's worse for hearing impaired, but still very uncomfortable to speech impaired.
A friend of mine had the same problem.She was mute which ofc lead to the other girls in her corp making fun of her since she couldent "prove" being a girl.Eventually she just gave up and left the game altogether due to it :( Its sad tho because she was really cool to hang around with,and since i had issues actually speaking english,me and her went well along :)
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