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Karbowiak
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:18:00 -
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So, ever since me, Beans, Desas and a few others noticed the latest idiocy from CCP - The frontpage news for the hosting company Pod Splatter (Killboard hosting)
We started digging a bit.
Apparently, PodSplatter is designed by Inspira Designs LLC, and this gives you the idea that Inspira Designs LLC designed the EVE-DEV killboard, which is wrong.
Ontop of that he does not show who really made EDK, nor give credit to the EDK developers on his PodSplatter website.
So CCP, whats the deal, one of your employees a RL friend of this John Harbison, and felt like doing some friend humping?..
All this is, is an insult to anyone and everyone doing out-of-game hosting for EVE players - i dont care that you give him 15 PLEXes to give away, but i care that you do commercials for this guy on the EVE-O frontpage, and dont mention anyone else in the process.
I hope others are as angry about this as i am.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Karbowiak I hope others are as angry about this as i am.
Yes. We Mad. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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HyperBeanie
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:25:00 -
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... and you forgot the fact that this competition actually forces the participants to reveal their location and shiptypes.
Not at all necessary for a competition of this kind.
Just my 2 cents.
CCP - Fix it! EVSCO - Free and Paid killboards - Get yours today! |
Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: HyperBeanie ... and you forgot the fact that this competition actually forces the participants to reveal their location and shiptypes.
Not at all necessary for a competition of this kind.
Just my 2 cents.
CCP - Fix it!
+1 trust needs to be earned not requested through a website thats existed according to its whois info since October >.> Rally Against Evil Site |
Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:32:00 -
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So you're saying that ID didn't design EDK? Based on what? Or are you saying that they did, but aren't credited? If so, so what? Are you saying that those others that aren't mentioned, have reported their drives to CCP and been ignored? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
So you're saying that ID didn't design EDK? Based on what? Or are you saying that they did, but aren't credited? If so, so what? Are you saying that those others that aren't mentioned, have reported their drives to CCP and been ignored?
Check the EDK source and site it lists everyone who took part in development :) Rally Against Evil Site |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:35:00 -
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Wow you are way out of line on this one and must wear an insanely big tinfoil hat. In no way shape or form does CCP talk about Inspira Design or any such nonsense in their short news story. They simply link a contest, something they have done in the past and will do in the future.
Why does he have to give credit to EDK developers or show who really made EDK? I mean I went to *your* site and saw "EDK Originally created by EVE-Dev" which then linked to something that is not EVE related. GJ.
Furthermore your own website states "This is made for all the people, who don't want to spend time on setting up and maintaning a killboard." If I don't want to spend the time to set up and maintain a killboard then certainly I do not care about the history of it
How did CCP insult everyone else who does KB hosting? I did not read it like that in fact I just read it again and fail to see any insult.
If you ran a similar contest and contacted the appropriate people, I am sure CCP would show it up in the news as well, CCP loves the fact that EVE is player driven and wishes to show that as much as possible.
I just see a extremely bitter and unwarranted spiteful post by the OP. Where on the doll did CCP touch you?
Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose. |
Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous Check the EDK source and site it lists everyone who took part in development :)
On what page? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Cypherous Check the EDK source and site it lists everyone who took part in development :)
On what page?
Download the EDK source and there is an "about" page thats included listing all the contributors and dev's who work on the project, you could also join #eve-dev on irc.coldfront.net to chat with said EDK dev's :P Rally Against Evil Site |
Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous Download the EDK source and there is an "about" page thats included listing all the contributors and dev's who work on the project, you could also join #eve-dev on irc.coldfront.net to chat with said EDK dev's :P
No, I mean where on the site does it connect EDK with ID? Or is the complain that they use EDK without credit? If so, what does it have to do with ID? And what does any of this have to do with CCP mentioning them in the news? How does it constitute an insult to other 3rd-party hosts? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Karbowiak
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Karbowiak on 26/12/2009 01:54:37 Edited by: Karbowiak on 26/12/2009 01:54:16 Edited by: Karbowiak on 26/12/2009 01:53:29
Originally by: Vaal Erit Wow you are way out of line on this one and must wear an insanely big tinfoil hat. In no way shape or form does CCP talk about Inspira Design or any such nonsense in their short news story. They simply link a contest, something they have done in the past and will do in the future.
No they dont, but look at the bigger picture, a pirate sets up a hosting service, a pirate decides to do a competition, which requires you go ingame and actually trust the site.
giving him full access to where you are at that moment and much more.. Sounds suspicious? i sure think so.
Originally by: Vaal Erit Why does he have to give credit to EDK developers or show who really made EDK? I mean I went to *your* site and saw "EDK Originally created by EVE-Dev" which then linked to something that is not EVE related. GJ.
He has to give credit to the EDK developers, and iknow the link on our site is ****ed, due to eve-dev.net being closed - the url should be eve-id.net
Originally by: Vaal Erit Furthermore your own website states "This is made for all the people, who don't want to spend time on setting up and maintaning a killboard." If I don't want to spend the time to set up and maintain a killboard then certainly I do not care about the history of it
Sure it is, but do you care that people that actually work on making the board, dont get the recognition they deserve?..
I worked on making EDK into what it is today (So did many others btw.), and EVSCO to this day is working with Kovell (which is making most modifications atm) to make the board even better. I certainly do not like hes ****tin on Kovell or mine's hard work..
Originally by: Vaal Erit
How did CCP insult everyone else who does KB hosting? I did not read it like that in fact I just read it again and fail to see any insult.
It is an insult to anyone doing killboard hosting, forum hosting, blog or otherwise - why? cause several attempts has been done to get competitions or otherwise onto the frontpage by us, all have been rejected.
Then seeing this person getting onto the frontpage as a whole newly started company, with 2 renters (one being himself) - makes no sence at all..
Originally by: Vaal Erit
If you ran a similar contest and contacted the appropriate people, I am sure CCP would show it up in the news as well, CCP loves the fact that EVE is player driven and wishes to show that as much as possible.
Look at above, and yes CCP likes that EVE is player driven, that is why they should also prepare to get back from the players when they do **** like this.
Originally by: Vaal Erit
I just see a extremely bitter and unwarranted spiteful post by the OP. Where on the doll did CCP touch you?
Im not bitter, im angry.. There is a difference..
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Cypherous Check the EDK source and site it lists everyone who took part in development :)
On what page?
Check bottom of http://evsco.net - or http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=about or http://killboard.evekb.co.uk/?a=about (Which has the original about)
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Cypherous Download the EDK source and there is an "about" page thats included listing all the contributors and dev's who work on the project, you could also join #eve-dev on irc.coldfront.net to chat with said EDK dev's :P
No, I mean where on the site does it connect EDK with ID? Or is the complain that they use EDK without credit? If so, what does it have to do with ID? And what does any of this have to do with CCP mentioning them in the news? How does it constitute an insult to other 3rd-party hosts?
http://www.inspiradesigns.com/gallery.html#images/pod.jpg
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 26/12/2009 02:00:12
Originally by: Karbowiak He has to give credit to the EDK developers, and iknow the link on our site is ****ed, due to eve-dev.net being closed - the url should be eve-id.net
The question is, where does he have to do this? The killboards he host provide the credit – does the license say that the hosting company have to list it as well, even though the host presentation site doesn't really use it?
Quote: It is an insult to anyone doing killboard hosting, forum hosting, blog or otherwise - why? cause several attempts has been done to get competitions or otherwise onto the frontpage by us, all have been rejected.
Well, then say so from the start. I suppose some would be initiated into the whole thing, but it was a complete mystery what the fuss was about up until now.
So ok: possible unfair treatment, check.
Quote: http://www.inspiradesigns.com/gallery.html#images/pod.jpg
Yes, that shows that they've created podsplatter.com – the site that presents the hosting company. It does not suggest that they've had anything to do with the any of the content on the hosted sites. EDK does not appear on podsplatter.com – it appears on the customer's own site, where it gets credited to the EDK dev team. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Karbowiak
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.26 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Karbowiak on 26/12/2009 02:02:59
Originally by: Tippia The question is, where does he have to do this? The killboards he host provide the credit û does the license say that the hosting company have to list it as well, even though the host presentation site doesn't really use it?
He is using EDK on the frontpage for Podsplatter, you can check the overall design. Or using the EDK theme. Either way, he should credit the EDK guys making it in the first place.
Plus you can see the News Mod on the frontpage, hes apparently just too stupid to make ?a= pages..
Plus it makes sence, since its easy to integrate into the killboard creation and such..
You can see his website here: http://www.podsplatter.com/
And yes, unfair treatment on CCPs side..
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 26/12/2009 02:11:13
Originally by: Karbowiak He is using EDK on the frontpage for Podsplatter, you can check the overall design, and how it uses ?a= for viewing pages.
The only links of that kind that I can find on the front page is one that links to a killboard where EDK gets credited, and one leading to the EVE boards (which suggests that it's hardly a unique feature for EDK).
The design is very similar, yes, but does that mean he's using EDK or just that he's nicked your visual style (which is a "#&% thing to do, but a different thing altogether from stealing the underlying engine)? I'll readily admit to not knowing all the ins and outs of what EDK offers, which is why I'm asking – I'm not saying he's in the clear, but I want to understand what the accusation is based on.
…also, blech @átable-based designs, but that's just a personal annoyance. I can understand it for the KBs, since they are tables, but not for what's essentially a blog. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.12.26 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 26/12/2009 02:11:13
Originally by: Karbowiak He is using EDK on the frontpage for Podsplatter, you can check the overall design, and how it uses ?a= for viewing pages.
The only links of that kind that I can find on the front page is one that links to a killboard where EDK gets credited, and one leading to the EVE boards (which suggests that it's hardly a unique feature for EDK).
The design is very similar, yes, but does that mean he's using EDK or just that he's nicked your visual style (which is a "#&% thing to do, but a different thing altogether from stealing the underlying engine)? I'll readily admit to not knowing all the ins and outs of what EDK offers, which is why I'm asking û I'm not saying he's in the clear, but I want to understand what the accusation is based on.
àalso, blech @átable-based designs, but that's just a personal annoyance. I can understand it for the KBs, since they are tables, but not for what's essentially a blog.
TBH its an EDK install you gather as much info to know that by looking at the site, the visual style wouldn't work without the underlying core of EDK i've used it and installed it myself to know that much :) Rally Against Evil Site |
HyperBeanie
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 26/12/2009 02:11:13
Originally by: Karbowiak He is using EDK on the frontpage for Podsplatter, you can check the overall design, and how it uses ?a= for viewing pages.
The only links of that kind that I can find on the front page is one that links to a killboard where EDK gets credited, and one leading to the EVE boards (which suggests that it's hardly a unique feature for EDK).
The design is very similar, yes, but does that mean he's using EDK or just that he's nicked your visual style (which is a "#&% thing to do, but a different thing altogether from stealing the underlying engine)? I'll readily admit to not knowing all the ins and outs of what EDK offers, which is why I'm asking û I'm not saying he's in the clear, but I want to understand what the accusation is based on.
àalso, blech @átable-based designs, but that's just a personal annoyance. I can understand it for the KBs, since they are tables, but not for what's essentially a blog.
The "news" he has on the fronpage is the edk news mod. No doubt! EVSCO - Free and Paid killboards - Get yours today! |
Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 26/12/2009 02:22:05
Originally by: Cypherous TBH its an EDK install you gather as much info to know that by looking at the site, the visual style wouldn't work without the underlying core of EDK i've used it and installed it myself to know that much :)
Originally by: HyperBeanie The "news" he has on the fronpage is the edk news mod. No doubt!
Excellent. Then it's certainly getting closer to pliers-vs-family-jewles time.
(Hint: had this and a better description of the unfair treatment been in the OP, it would have helped us uninitiated to answer the anger question – or at least swayed us towards getting behind some nasty language – much earlier) ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.26 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Karbowiak
... iknow the link on our site is ****ed ... I certainly do not like hes ****tin on Kovell or mine's hard work.. ... that is why they should also prepare to get back from the players when they do **** like this. ... Im not bitter
Fooled me.
If he wants to scam via a contest on the EVE news site I see NOTHING wrong with that at all. You claim it is a hoax yet you fail to shows us the proof that it is a hoax. Scamming is legal in EVE but I really don't see how he is scamming anything from me. Does he really care that I am docked in Jita 4-4 in an ibis? Or that I'm missioning in Motsu in a CNR? How am I at any more risk? The pilots you need to be worried about do not need that information.
Afaik he doesn't get anything more than a simple locator agent will give him. I just registered on one of my characters and I don't feel the need for tin foil hats of the crazy sized variety. In fact many alliances have used the trusted site thing before (hi MM!) and nothing insanely terrible came from that.
Originally by: Karbowiak And yes, unfair treatment on CCPs side..
You may have an argument here if you really did talk to the right people who do the news for the eve main page. However, this is a special end of the year give-away while EVSCO does basic lotteries do I have that correct? If wrong then I apologize but there is quite a difference between the two in terms of being scammed or a "hoax".
Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose. |
Myra2007
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.26 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Myra2007 on 26/12/2009 03:04:47 nvm i see my point has already been made --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.26 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Karbowiak He has to give credit to the EDK developers, and iknow the link on our site is ****ed, due to eve-dev.net being closed - the url should be eve-id.net
The question is, where does he have to do this? The killboards he host provide the credit û does the license say that the hosting company have to list it as well, even though the host presentation site doesn't really use it?
The gpl licence (which EDK seems to be using) doesn't require users to give credit to the developers. The developers could add this as a requirement but I did not see any requirement to do so in the distribution zip.
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Carlise Aragon
The Eve Killboard Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.26 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Carlise Aragon on 26/12/2009 07:12:31 This is total crap for CCP to blatantly advertise his service over and above all the other hosting sites out there.
http://evsco.net/ and http://evekb.co.uk have tried in the past to get a joint advert on the loading screen of the game and we were told it would not happen.
I will be looking forward to reading the replies to the mails and the petitions about this in the coming days.
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Dannerkongen
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.12.26 08:28:00 -
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it looks like **** anyways!
evsco ftw
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2009.12.26 09:12:00 -
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Take a look at the CSS files on podsplatter.com. They're clearly taken straight from the EDK.
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.12.26 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Karbowiak He has to give credit to the EDK developers, and iknow the link on our site is ****ed, due to eve-dev.net being closed - the url should be eve-id.net
The question is, where does he have to do this? The killboards he host provide the credit û does the license say that the hosting company have to list it as well, even though the host presentation site doesn't really use it?
The gpl licence (which EDK seems to be using) doesn't require users to give credit to the developers. The developers could add this as a requirement but I did not see any requirement to do so in the distribution zip.
No but its common courtasy that especially where you list a site as being professionally developed by you that you link to places where you're using their code on your site, his design site is only responsible for the frankly awful quality banner at the top of his killboard he hasn't designed nor developed anything else but still has it in his portfolio without mentioning that he only did the banner. Rally Against Evil Site |
Ryusoath Orillian
Minmatar INDUSTIENCE
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Posted - 2009.12.26 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Karbowiak So, ever since me, Beans, Desas and a few others noticed the latest idiocy from CCP - The frontpage news for the hosting company Pod Splatter (Killboard hosting)
We started digging a bit.
Apparently, PodSplatter is designed by Inspira Designs LLC, and this gives you the idea that Inspira Designs LLC designed the EVE-DEV killboard, which is wrong.
Ontop of that he does not show who really made EDK, nor give credit to the EDK developers on his PodSplatter website.
So CCP, whats the deal, one of your employees a RL friend of this John Harbison, and felt like doing some friend humping?..
All this is, is an insult to anyone and everyone doing out-of-game hosting for EVE players - i dont care that you give him 15 PLEXes to give away, but i care that you do commercials for this guy on the EVE-O frontpage, and dont mention anyone else in the process.
I hope others are as angry about this as i am.
i completely agree .seems these ads-on-login are getting more and more pathetic. this , and the xfire ones . whats next ? pepsi ads in game ? stop NOW ccp.
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Larz Smith
Larz Smith Corp HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.26 22:10:00 -
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Love the attention, please keep it coming. Not to retouch on what I said in the other thread you went into, but:
EDK credit is properly given on every killboard we host, my site is using a style sheet from that to maintain a look and feel, other than that it was all built by myself.
Secondly we do host more than 2, but unlike others we don't brag on our customer list, we simply don't care. In fact our customer list is way out of date, and I should really spend more time on it, but again lack of caring about bragging rights.
Thirdly POD Splatter is an extension of what I do in game, give away cool prizes to people for no real reason. Towards the end of this year I decided to take on larger giveaways and POD is a way to keep that running. Our last public giveaway that received great attention was the Hellcats Pub Party which is highly documented via CCP and MynxeeÆs blog. You will see that my name is all over the prize list (not to discredit the others that gave as well).
So as I said before, keep it coming, the more you all keep talking the better the contests will get.
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Larz Smith
Larz Smith Corp HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.26 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Karbowiak Edited by: Karbowiak on 26/12/2009 02:02:59
Originally by: Tippia The question is, where does he have to do this? The killboards he host provide the credit û does the license say that the hosting company have to list it as well, even though the host presentation site doesn't really use it?
He is using EDK on the frontpage for Podsplatter, you can check the overall design. Or using the EDK theme. Either way, he should credit the EDK guys making it in the first place.
Plus you can see the News Mod on the frontpage, hes apparently just too stupid to make ?a= pages..
Plus it makes sence, since its easy to integrate into the killboard creation and such..
You can see his website here: http://www.podsplatter.com/
And yes, unfair treatment on CCPs side..
I could only wish it was the news mod, just html doing that!
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars Black Swan.
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Posted - 2009.12.26 22:22:00 -
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I was under the impression that CCP generally speaking didnt advertise 3rd party sites, only those which generally CCP had dealings with, eg, MMORPG.com and the current Xfire.com one.
Now ive seen over the years many websites offering much greater services do events, Chribba for example! and get nothing in the news.
So does this mean CCP will start offering this kind of advertising for all player events and give aways?
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Larz Smith
Larz Smith Corp HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.26 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: 5n4keyes I was under the impression that CCP generally speaking didnt advertise 3rd party sites, only those which generally CCP had dealings with, eg, MMORPG.com and the current Xfire.com one.
Now ive seen over the years many websites offering much greater services do events, Chribba for example! and get nothing in the news.
So does this mean CCP will start offering this kind of advertising for all player events and give aways?
No clue, I just asked and it happened. BTW we crossed the 2300 mark on contest sign-ups, keep it coming!
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Papoila
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Posted - 2009.12.26 22:45:00 -
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My mates account got hacked shortly after visiting this website, ccp customer support hasnt replied to mails yet so can t confirm this at the moment.. just a heads up
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