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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.26 20:25:00 -
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So, is it still possible to use artys to sit off of a gate taking pot shots at people as they jump/warp in, in hopes of getting a kill before they can go into warp by one volleying them?
I remember it always used to seem like pirates were all Minmatar chars, and they all flew tempests just so they could do this. ------
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.26 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker So, is it still possible to use artys to sit off of a gate taking pot shots at people as they jump/warp in, in hopes of getting a kill before they can go into warp by one volleying them?
I remember it always used to seem like pirates were all Minmatar chars, and they all flew tempests just so they could do this.
yes, specially considering that you can alpha a golem with hardeners on with 6-7 tempests (even less than that actually, but 6-7 is a more conservative approach).
going into the absurd, a fleet of 70-80 tempests can alpha a carrier aswell, afaik. ---
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.26 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker So, is it still possible to use artys to sit off of a gate taking pot shots at people as they jump/warp in, in hopes of getting a kill before they can go into warp by one volleying them?
I remember it always used to seem like pirates were all Minmatar chars, and they all flew tempests just so they could do this.
Yes. It's possible, but you're gonna need more than one character to do it. A max skilled tempest with 6 1400s shooting Tremor has an alpha of ~6300 - an unfit vexor has 6600 EHP. If you're willing to get closer, your chances of success go up, but then you have to figure out how to tank sentries....
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d3vo
The Missionaries
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Posted - 2009.12.26 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Yes. It's possible, but you're gonna need more than one character to do it. A max skilled tempest with 6 1400s shooting Tremor has an alpha of ~6300 - an unfit vexor has 6600 EHP. If you're willing to get closer, your chances of success go up, but then you have to figure out how to tank sentries....
-Liang
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.12.26 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 26/12/2009 21:26:57 I highly doubt you can get the scan res high enough to even catch Cruiser sized or smaller ships.
@: Sentrys shoot 150KM.
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Intigo
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.26 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 26/12/2009 21:26:57 I highly doubt you can get the scan res high enough to even catch Cruiser sized or smaller ships.
@: Sentrys shoot 150KM.
Clarification: Sentries shoot out to 150k from the object they are defending. This can be closer or further than 150k from the sentry itself. Get 150k+ from the gate and sentries won't shoot you. ___________________
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d3vo
The Missionaries
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Posted - 2009.12.26 21:52:00 -
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IIRC, Vargur can hit 200km+ with close range ammo. O_o __________ \(^.^)/ |
Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.26 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Nicholas Barker So, is it still possible to use artys to sit off of a gate taking pot shots at people as they jump/warp in, in hopes of getting a kill before they can go into warp by one volleying them?
I remember it always used to seem like pirates were all Minmatar chars, and they all flew tempests just so they could do this.
Yes. It's possible, but you're gonna need more than one character to do it. A max skilled tempest with 6 1400s shooting Tremor has an alpha of ~6300 - an unfit vexor has 6600 EHP. If you're willing to get closer, your chances of success go up, but then you have to figure out how to tank sentries....
-Liang
Mael gets a tad more and if you fit 4 gyro's it's up to 6700, not a huge difference ofcourse.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.26 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 26/12/2009 23:21:35
Alpha arties seems cool until you realize everyone fills their expl/kin resist and falloff damage is not eft damage.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.27 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Nicholas Barker So, is it still possible to use artys to sit off of a gate taking pot shots at people as they jump/warp in, in hopes of getting a kill before they can go into warp by one volleying them?
I remember it always used to seem like pirates were all Minmatar chars, and they all flew tempests just so they could do this.
Yes. It's possible, but you're gonna need more than one character to do it. A max skilled tempest with 6 1400s shooting Tremor has an alpha of ~6300 - an unfit vexor has 6600 EHP. If you're willing to get closer, your chances of success go up, but then you have to figure out how to tank sentries....
-Liang
that's without gyros? cuz with 2 gyros and my skills (only lvl4 is large arty spec 4, rest is at 5) I'm seeing alphas of 9k raw damage with stock EMP ---
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.27 00:56:00 -
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base damage as calculated in EFT != variance in quality of hits altering/increasing damage ingame.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.27 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva base damage as calculated in EFT != variance in quality of hits altering/increasing damage ingame.
tested against a caldari POS, and I did managed to get 9k raw alphas (using stock EMP), even with the kinetic resistance.
hell I even managed to get a 12k alpha once, but that was using tremor, and in the POS structure. ---
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.27 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak that's without gyros? cuz with 2 gyros and my skills (only lvl4 is large arty spec 4, rest is at 5) I'm seeing alphas of 9k raw damage with stock EMP
No, that was with Tremor L. Which I said. I also said that your chances of success go up as you get closer to the gate (implying you use RF EMP L). But... if you get that close, you've gotta figure out how to tank sentries.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.27 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 27/12/2009 01:58:47
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Grimpak that's without gyros? cuz with 2 gyros and my skills (only lvl4 is large arty spec 4, rest is at 5) I'm seeing alphas of 9k raw damage with stock EMP
No, that was with Tremor L. Which I said. I also said that your chances of success go up as you get closer to the gate (implying you use RF EMP L). But... if you get that close, you've gotta figure out how to tank sentries.
-Liang
ah... was confusing Tremor with Quake.
also fixed above post of mine, since I made the same mistake ---
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Myrkala
Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous
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Posted - 2009.12.27 03:06:00 -
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[Tempest, New Setup 1] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Cap Recharger II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Its possible to permarun the one large (236dps tanked) and pulse the second (440 dps tanked), needs 3% grid implant. Does 10k alpha with 39+72 range. I've not selected any drones, might use bouncers or ecm drones.
You need a pair ofc to do this, would be easy with 3.
This ship (setup) is not really useful for anything else, stay aligned... Having a few support ships that are not outlaws will help ofc...
I'm sure someone can improve on this setup. Took me 5 minutes, a bit costly on the rigs and very low on EHP. -
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2009.12.27 04:12:00 -
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have a maelstrom sit at 80 from gate and have a scimitar at 150km from gate with tracking links remore repping it.
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Typhado3
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.27 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Myrkala Does 10k alpha with 39+72 range.
This seems like a good setup, though you have to sit rather close. Would work thanks to it's very large falloff but it's a lot more risky than the tremor fitting as it will be under fire already and your sitting right near the gate... Just hope a vaga doesn't jump through. Considering your sitting that close in many cases you may as well just go a bit closer and use a disruptor and forget about alpha.
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 27/12/2009 01:54:11
Originally by: Marko Riva base damage as calculated in EFT != variance in quality of hits altering/increasing damage ingame.
tested against a caldari POS, and I did managed to get 9k raw alphas (using stock EMP), even with the kinetic resistance.
hell I even managed to get a 12k alpha once, but that was using quake, and in the POS structure.
Quake on the other hand isn't all that useful.... and alpha against a pos is pretty damn useless
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.27 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3 Quake on the other hand isn't all that useful.... and alpha against a pos is pretty damn useless
indeed you're right, but I was trying to show how large the alphas got with Dominion ---
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