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Doc Deeb	Posted - 2009.12.28 16:31:00 - [1] [Paranoia] [Low] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II [Med] Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Pith B-Type Heat Dissipation Field Heavy Capacitor Booster II,Cap Booster 800 [High] Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Drones: Infiltrator II, Acolyte II. Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I DPS: 1024 Volley: 6285. 500 grids left and about 160 CPU left. It'll give me 1154 sustained defence efficiency against blood raiders. Though I am unsure of the DCU II in the low slot but having it means I'll have a better tank but than I thought that I'm taking this tanking too far. At the same time I love to laugh as their fire bounce off my shield while I pulse my SB for 100% shield. As my corporation is currently at war, I get extra paranoid and watch local closely but for the time where my senses fail me (or if I haven't kept my ship align and move away from the warp in point as I always do) and WTs scan me out and warp to me, I was thinking of fitting a cloak. Slow boating and get enough speed to go into warp (you can right?), I thought it might give me that extra chance of getting away. The other empty slot might be fitted with a med NOS to keep my cap going if my cap boosters run out or two NOSes if I forgo the cloaking device. The Blockade gave me a bad aftertaste as I can't warp in at 70km like I used to be able to pre-Dominion. What do the residents suggest I do?
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.12.28 16:46:00 - [2] personally id drop the dc for a tracking enhancer and 2 nos in the highs to keep the guns going with out a cap booster
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.28 16:47:00 - [3] 1) you can't cloak while targeted (by npc's) 2) cloaking slows you down meaning you would need to fit an MWD to counter to get enough speed for warping So cloaking with a pve fit doesn't really work unless you warp to a safespot and cloak there, but this is assuming that the rats don't scramble you. Personally I'd stop using a faction ship like that for several reasons, first of all it's a liability right now and secondly you're showing the other guys a nice cool target, making them more than willing to prolong the war in hopes of catching it. Besides, if it's an active war you probably should help out? ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Peckles Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.12.28 16:48:00 - [4] Your idea with the cloak is incorrect. Without a MWD, that tactic is not possible. You will still be able to cloak and maybe evade your WTs with it but not if ANY NPC is targeting you. If I was at war I wouldn't fly any kind of expensive mission ship at all.
Bellicose Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.12.28 16:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Peckles If I was at war I wouldn't fly any kind of expensive mission ship at all. this too lazy to resize signature clicky clicky instead
Doc Deeb	Posted - 2009.12.28 17:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Doc Deeb on 28/12/2009 17:37:11 Funny thing is that I don't see the war ending anytime soon. Not trying to be stubborn or anything but this Nightmare goes through missions so fast that it's not even funny. I also have faith in my Corpmates who are 1-2 jumps away or maybe in the same system to bail my reckless arse out. The sytem I do missions is also a dead end and so WTs will probably get detected before they get there. Plus, I've never seen them came en-masse, one or two will get in but never seen 3+. If I leave my Nightmare to gather dust in the hangar, it'll probably won't see space again unless I quit and fly solo (I'm not going to bail out on my beloved corpies). If you some how got bored and decided to search for me and see where I am in order to either war-dec or suicide gank my life-saving-worth Nightmare. You might be tad disappointed because I don't fly the Nightmare on this char. I'm either that paranoid or stupid in saying that this is an alt, the latter is true but might as well say it now before a bloke decide to jump in and say "you lied!". Mothballing this Nightmare is probably the right decision but I'll be missionship-less. Can a vet (or many vets) recommend a cheaper laser-based Amarr ship? Moar opinions = win. Me think.
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus	Posted - 2009.12.28 17:37:00 - [7] apoc or abby or navy geddon/apoc but thats getting costly there
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.12.28 17:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Doc Deeb Edited by: Doc Deeb on 28/12/2009 17:37:11 Funny thing is that I don't see the war ending anytime soon. Not trying to be stubborn or anything but this Nightmare goes through missions so fast that it's not even funny. Never assume that just because a ship is potent in PVE that it will PVP just as well, that's the mistake people make when they shoot ninjalooters in Dodixie, etc. A lumbering active-tanked battleship, even a Nightmare, will die in a fire to any PVP ship with neut(s) that can get under your guns.
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.12.28 19:14:00 - [9] I would replace CCC with t2 shield boost cap usage rigs. Its more useful for capbooster setups. Maybe a domination tracking enhancer instead of 3rd heatsink. Also, goodluck with the wardecs/suicides likely to get with that setup.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2009.12.28 19:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Durzel Originally by: Doc Deeb Edited by: Doc Deeb on 28/12/2009 17:37:11 Funny thing is that I don't see the war ending anytime soon. Not trying to be stubborn or anything but this Nightmare goes through missions so fast that it's not even funny. Never assume that just because a ship is potent in PVE that it will PVP just as well, that's the mistake people make when they shoot ninjalooters in Dodixie, etc. A lumbering active-tanked battleship, even a Nightmare, will die in a fire to any PVP ship with neut(s) that can get under your guns. Tbh, I don't think he was. I think he was saying it would be a shame to not mission in it because it goes so fast. --
Vicky Somers Caldari Rusty Anchor	Posted - 2009.12.28 19:58:00 - [11] Considering you're at war, that Nightmare would make excellent bait.
Clueless Alt	Posted - 2009.12.28 20:46:00 - [12] Too much tank, not enough gank (aka need more tracking). And not cap efficient at all. On my NM, with a gist a-type lsb & 4 hardener, I hardly ever use the cap injector (in fact I drop it on most mission), and never been out tanked with an eft tank of about 500dps. Just kill everything before it hurts you.
NEMESIS SIN FURY.	Posted - 2009.12.28 22:00:00 - [13] Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 28/12/2009 22:00:44 * Nemesis SIN flies in with a tempest and suicide ganks this thread. Hint. Hint.
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2009.12.29 09:46:00 - [14] my alt has been doing amarr missions in a nightmare for a while now and its great. how would it fare in gallente space doing gallente missions ?? (as my main is around gallente space most of the time and warping around gallente and amarr is getting annoying) ---------------------------------- Fighting for something Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.12.29 10:14:00 - [15] Edited by: Dr Fighter on 29/12/2009 10:15:11 Originally by: Clueless Alt Too much tank, not enough gank (aka need more tracking). And not cap efficient at all. On my NM, with a gist a-type lsb & 4 hardener, I hardly ever use the cap injector (in fact I drop it on most mission), and never been out tanked with an eft tank of about 500dps. Just kill everything before it hurts you. for people that arnt wasting billions on a gist booster or 5 slots to recharge - do NOT drop your heavy cap booster! Also, against serps, the NM does just fine. The only misisons i dont do in the NM are guristas and angels, the dmg type is just too lame against them and a raven is often faster!
Clueless Alt	Posted - 2009.12.29 16:12:00 - [16] Welp, I did a typo, I have a pith a-type, not a gist, and it's only 300M (I think the Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster is a lot more expensive, and my only recharge module are rigs ;)).
Loco Eve State War Academy	Posted - 2009.12.31 15:36:00 - [17] first of all. you're probably at war because they scanned you flying this. so, park it and use a apoc or abby. fit with point and web so you can kill them when they find you. and your nm should have a tracking comp. in place of boost amp.
Nahir	Posted - 2009.12.31 15:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Doc Deeb [Paranoia] [High] Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Your nightmare is very well fited, exept for the guns. Use T2 pulses with scorch for longer ranges and Conflag for closerange. Its more dps, better tracking. And park your nightmare safely in station while at war.
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2009.12.31 17:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Nahir Originally by: Doc Deeb [Paranoia] [High] Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Your nightmare is very well fited, exept for the guns. Use T2 pulses with scorch for longer ranges and Conflag for closerange. Its more dps, better tracking. And park your nightmare safely in station while at war. More DPS inside 15km, maybe. Tachs with multifrequency outdamage pulse with scorch and can hit out much further with other ammo types which is nice because not all missions dump everything within 45k. If you want a high DPS pulse boat, just use an abaddon. Also, never, ever, ever use Conflag. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:11:00 - [20] Originally by: Nahir Originally by: Doc Deeb [Paranoia] [High] Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Your nightmare is very well fited, exept for the guns. Use T2 pulses with scorch for longer ranges and Conflag for closerange. Its more dps, better tracking. And park your nightmare safely in station while at war. acctually... how most missions are set up at warpin... tach NM will do huge ammount of more dps than scroch pulse with :) ---------------------------------- Fighting for something Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.12.31 21:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Riho acctually... how most missions are set up at warpin... tach NM will do huge ammount of more dps than scroch pulse with :) indeed, I used to fly my paladin with megapulse and scorch/navy multi. swapped out for tachs and never looked back. although megapulse works nicely on the damsel as everything gets nice and close
Nahir	Posted - 2010.01.01 00:46:00 - [22] Well, most my lvl4 mission i rarely get a rat further away then 45k. And my scorch optimal is at 52km....so there. + Pulses takes care of the close cruisers and bc's very fast. Tacyons got a high alpha, good range etc, but you cant hit a darn cruiser orbiting you with them, and pulselasers kills cruisers and close orbiting bc's alot faster then the drones does. The time it takes to do missions shortens with pulses, thats what ive found. But if you wana gimp your nightmare with tachyons, be my guest
Loco Eve State War Academy	Posted - 2010.01.01 04:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Nahir Well, most my lvl4 mission i rarely get a rat further away then 45k. And my scorch optimal is at 52km....so there. + Pulses takes care of the close cruisers and bc's very fast. Tacyons got a high alpha, good range etc, but you cant hit a darn cruiser orbiting you with them, and pulselasers kills cruisers and close orbiting bc's alot faster then the drones does. The time it takes to do missions shortens with pulses, thats what ive found. But if you wana gimp your nightmare with tachyons, be my guest I use both depending on the mission. I would say 80/20 tachs over pulse. Lots of NM exp. here.
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2010.01.01 05:43:00 - [24] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/01/2010 05:43:41 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton indeed, I used to fly my paladin with megapulse and scorch/navy multi. swapped out for tachs and never looked back. although megapulse works nicely on the damsel as everything gets nice and close Hello Neutron Hype. ;-) -Liang Ed: I wish. I really run a Torp golem in that mission. 4 Torps / CN XL, 3 Hardener, MCB II, 2 Painters / 4 CN BCU -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Solovej Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.01.01 09:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/01/2010 05:43:41 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton indeed, I used to fly my paladin with megapulse and scorch/navy multi. swapped out for tachs and never looked back. although megapulse works nicely on the damsel as everything gets nice and close Hello Neutron Hype. ;-) -Liang Ed: I wish. I really run a Torp golem in that mission. 4 Torps / CN XL, 3 Hardener, MCB II, 2 Painters / 4 CN BCU The neutron Hyperion however excels at lvl3 damsel :P :P :P
Leandro Salazar Quam Singulari	Posted - 2010.01.01 10:14:00 - [26] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 01/01/2010 10:14:36 Originally by: Nahir Well, most my lvl4 mission i rarely get a rat further away then 45k. And my scorch optimal is at 52km....so there. + Pulses takes care of the close cruisers and bc's very fast. Tacyons got a high alpha, good range etc, but you cant hit a darn cruiser orbiting you with them, and pulselasers kills cruisers and close orbiting bc's alot faster then the drones does. The time it takes to do missions shortens with pulses, thats what ive found. But if you wana gimp your nightmare with tachyons, be my guest As others have pointed out, Tachys do more damage than pulse with scorch. And hitting cruisers really is no problem if you fit enough tracking. You don't need a 1000 dps tank if you do the missions right. My old Nightmare had Officer Lasers for the wallop but only a pith B large booster and no sbas, and it never had tanking trouble. As to the OP's fit, get rid of the SBAs and put in TCs. And use the correct drones, hobs/hammies are ALWAYS better than aco/infil despite NPC resists, because of the much higher base damage and therm being the second weakest resistance on the EM weak ones. And if you didn't do so yet, put some crystals into your head. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.01.01 14:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Nahir Well, most my lvl4 mission i rarely get a rat further away then 45k. And my scorch optimal is at 52km....so there. + Pulses takes care of the close cruisers and bc's very fast. Tacyons got a high alpha, good range etc, but you cant hit a darn cruiser orbiting you with them, and pulselasers kills cruisers and close orbiting bc's alot faster then the drones does. The time it takes to do missions shortens with pulses, thats what ive found. But if you wana gimp your nightmare with tachyons, be my guest If you let the cruisers get into orbiting range with Tachs you're doing it wrong really, plus I can track cruisers at a decent range (22km) with my Paladin with 2 tracking computers, a nightmare should do it easily. I just nuke all the cruisers on approach usually. Only missions where pulse are better are the rubbish drone missions (Rogue Drone Harassment, Infiltrated Outposts) and Damsel, where you really do need the pulse laser DPS/tracking to burn through the NPC BS. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
chrisss0r	Posted - 2010.01.01 14:46:00 - [28] i think your tanking is way too expensive. you can get a much better result with crystals + solidifier + cap safeguard rigs
Doc Deeb	Posted - 2010.01.01 15:52:00 - [29] [Paranoia, 2nd Edition] [Low] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Domination Tracking Enhancer [Med] Federation Navy Tracking Computer - tracking speed script. or Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Pith B-Type Heat Dissipation Field Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 [High] Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L - 0.03511, is that good? For Tachs anyway? Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Drones: Hobgoblins II, Hammerheads II. Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I DPS: 1073 Volley: 6285. Second Edition will give me about 773 Defence efficiency (without the CN SBA). About 400 less than the initial set-up but it should do okay because most missions won't dish out THAT much damage right? Having a headful of HG Crystals with the Omega hardwiring will give me that extra 400 DPS tank but it will cost lotsa iskies (I'm bankrupt after this Nightmare purchase). Plus being the indecisive me, flying armour tanked boats such as the Armageddon or Abaddon for PvP while flying shield tanked boats for PvE. So I think I'll go with second edition with slight modification. Just one module. P.S. Have you seen the EHP on the Prophecy once you triple-trimarked, double 1600mm plated, triple EANM with a headful of HG Slaves with Slave Omega. Just 396 EHP shy of 200,000.
chrisss0r	Posted - 2010.01.01 16:14:00 - [30] you doont need the gist a-type. sell it, buy a republic fleet x-large and put in shield solidifier rigs

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