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InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:30:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Yes you do. Again read the first pages of this thread all the Goons jumping in to pat themselves on the back , Now its nothing to do with you, how does that work ?
Tal No, we don't. Goons took credit at the beginning of the thread now your saying your not , inconsistent ? Tal
I get the feeling you perceive "goons" as some kind of gigantic hive mind being. When a few take credit, they all take credit sympathetically.
To answer your question, every single goon didn't take credit for this. I certainly approved of it, and still do, but that doesn't mean I had a hand in it. I sure wish I did, but are you really advocating that CCP ban all of us just because a few did it, and a few more approve? Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
71
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:30:00 -
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Paint wrote: No, we get it, Big Tit ninja girls saved MC when goons screwed them over.
Not quite, but if I could have arraigned that, I'd probably have been declared God Emperor of EvE, because half the game would have joined my corp to meet big titted ninja girls.
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
Hammer V Dagenhart
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:31:00 -
[2013] - Quote
Posting in a thread about posts. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
71
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:33:00 -
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Hammer V Dagenhart wrote:Posting in a thread about posts.
I thought it was a thread about epeens, and how painful it was for goons to get theirs slapped by CCP once it got good and hard.
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
Paint
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:38:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Hammer V Dagenhart wrote:Posting in a thread about posts. I thought it was a thread about epeens, and how painful it was for goons to get theirs slapped by CCP once it got good and hard.
Well not all of us can save Mercenary Coalition while being Ninja girls with very large breasts. Some us have to settle for less I guess. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
935
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:39:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Xython wrote:
I still think it's better that 5 people who are working with CCP to help explain and investigate the emergent gameplay of the change is better than 500 people exploiting it slowly over the course of a year, but that's just me. :)
Working with CCP? You mean making long smug posts about how much money they made and trying to cover their butts with a PR slant on their use of an exploit? Somebody who was working with CCP would have reported the problem and not tried to make a huge amount of isk from it. And then reap a huge PR bonanza from it by posting about it and making the error public. I think Goonswarm has shown CCP just how much of a friend they are.
No, but thank you for asking. I was actually talking about the private communication our Economics team sent CCP before making this smug post on our forums (and then reposting it here to stir up trouble). I can see your confusion, but let me be clear: Our Economics team specifically did this in a pattern to avoid completely destroying the economy (for example, they were specifically avoiding favoring any one faction) and communicated everything they did to CCP after they felt they had enough evidence in place that there was a severe problem that needed addressing. |
Sekket
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
22
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:40:00 -
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Fuujin wrote:No isk was created by this method. Isk was actually SUNK by this method into FW stores and broker's fees.
All the isk pulled in was from player's hands.
And this whole thread is like a giant billboard advertising the fire sale. - CQ isn't a refuge, it's a cage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iu4iekX3WE |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
935
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:40:00 -
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Paint wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Xython wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:they didn't help them fix the bug. they helped their wallets with the bug until ccp fixed it. there is a difference. So the only people allowed to make bug reports are those willing to fly to Iceland and donate their time as computer programmers? You make less and less sense the more you talk, PrONEncess Alia. You do know its possible to report a bug without spending a month on a grand james bond villain-esq plan to exploit the bug and announce how incredibly clever you were for exploiting it on the eve online forums right ? Just checking. It was reported, even funnier you apparently knew about it before it was reported here and didn't report it either. Good job!
Not only that, Jadeykins exploited almost 9 billion ISK before CCP stepped in. Pot, meet kettle! :D |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:41:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:[list]
PS I love how you goons all circlejerked at the beginning of this thread and now are backtracking heavily.
No one is doing this. We all cheered and supported them, and we still do. We just don't think the entire alliance should be banned. Hell, we don't think the people who did this should be banned. They told CCP they could do it, and CCP was basically like "Big deal". No one is distancing themselves, no one needs to. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
935
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:42:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote: Burn Jita did just about **** all to the markets, and from my understanding, didn't really "inflict mass suffering" on anyone other than yourselves. People knew it was happening so they avoided the system for the most part. You just wasted a large portion of time because you threw a temper tantrum over Mittani getting a slap on the wrist for trying to coax everyone to get a guy to kill himself.
Yeah, they killed fifty freighters over a period of several days. I noticed that quite a few of them stopped posting when I pointed out that was a tiny fraction of Jita's usual daily traffic, and most people just went around.
That's funny, we also noticed the "LOL GEWNS" guys shutting up pretty damned quick when CCP posted a devblog about it stating that trading in Jita was down what, 50% that weekend? Not bad for a test run. Now if only we had, say, 5 trillion ISK laying around for a nice month long go at it... Right around the time the wardec changes were messed with again making it hard to wardec us and screw with our fun... |
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
71
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:42:00 -
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Paint wrote: Well not all of us can save Mercenary Coalition while being Ninja girls with very large breasts. Some us have to settle for less I guess.
Paint, I fully expect by the end of the night, you'll be saying that I'm the secret power behind goons, BoB, and every other chickenshit outfit that's come along.
I do not require your worship to maintain my near infinite power and I gain no satisfaction from it.
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
763
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:44:00 -
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I said something like this was possible when they listed the changes that were coming.
I was told no one would want to do the work to pull it off.
Seems I new better.
This is all CCPs fault, this was a super obvious thing. It was one of the reasons i was against the FW changes that and station lockout. Most of the stuff wrong that is happening in FW was super obvious and long term bad ideas.
There is no way to fix this without being unfair about it now.
I give goons props for pulling off what I suggested to others ages ago. I dont think they should be punished for this. CCP will have to give them something in fair exchange for what they pulled off.
maybe trillions is the going price for the right to name a system or two.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
935
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:45:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:I said something like this was possible when they listed the changes that were coming.
I was told no one would want to do the work to pull it off.
Seems I new better.
This is all CCPs fault, this was a super obvious thing. It was one of the reasons i was against the FW changes that and station lockout. Most of the stuff wrong that is happening in FW was super obvious and long term bad ideas.
There is no way to fix this without being unfair about it now.
I give goons props for pulling off what I suggested to others ages ago. I dont think they should be punished for this. CCP will have to give them something in fair exchange for what they pulled off.
maybe trillions is the going price for the right to name a system or two.
Holy crap, I'm actually agreeing with one of your posts. +1. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2494
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:45:00 -
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Xython wrote:Paint wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Xython wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:they didn't help them fix the bug. they helped their wallets with the bug until ccp fixed it. there is a difference. So the only people allowed to make bug reports are those willing to fly to Iceland and donate their time as computer programmers? You make less and less sense the more you talk, PrONEncess Alia. You do know its possible to report a bug without spending a month on a grand james bond villain-esq plan to exploit the bug and announce how incredibly clever you were for exploiting it on the eve online forums right ? Just checking. It was reported, even funnier you apparently knew about it before it was reported here and didn't report it either. Good job! Not only that, Jadeykins exploited almost 9 billion ISK before CCP stepped in. Pot, meet kettle! :D
You shouldn't tell lies or spread nasty rumours about other Eve players.
Protip Buying things with legally earned LP from the loyalty point store is not "exploiting."
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Paint
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:46:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Paint wrote: Well not all of us can save Mercenary Coalition while being Ninja girls with very large breasts. Some us have to settle for less I guess.
Paint, I fully expect by the end of the night, you'll be saying that I'm the secret power behind goons, BoB, and every other chickenshit outfit that's come along. I do not require your worship to maintain my near infinite power and I gain no satisfaction from it.
Well I am a little sad that you are quitting next week you see. I mean, someone as important and e-famous as you obviously has a big future left in this game. Perhaps you could single handedly save another alliance or two.
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ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:46:00 -
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A large amount of stone throwing entering this thread. Moderators really should clean it up. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:47:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well its not the first time that the "eve is a sandbox" theme gets thrown by the wayside when game mechanics are used in an apparently unexpected way. It hasn't changed status from being a sandbox, the rules are just being changed. Jade Constantine wrote:The recent plan to near completely nerf defensive allies from the Inferno wardec system is a pretty good example of ("fairness for the attacker" trumping the sandbox of emergent gameplay and unexpected consequences) and its not the first time thats happened in the realm of hisec wardecs either. Yes, let's completely gloss over the fact that the reason for the change was the fact that everybody more or less dogpiled into every wardec which was opened up to the public, where some corps had 50-70 active wardecs.
I kinda liked that. Given long enough, everyone in highsec would eventually be wardecced to everyone, and it would effectively be nullsec.
So yeah, roll back the wardec nerfs, ccp. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:50:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Goons took credit at the beginning of the thread now your saying your not , inconsistent ?
Tal Let me try to say it more bluntly. CCP has the logs and the data. They have what they need to perform an investigation. Any action they may take will be taken against those who were involved. They won't punish GSF as a whole for their actions, no matter how many Goonswarm members applaud it, simply because the people involved did this entirely on their own.Simple enough? So the answer is yes distancing yourselves now Tal
I don't understand what it is you think we need to distance ourselves from. The vast majority of us actually had no hand in this. That's not me trying to protect myself from the consequences of these actions, because I had no part in them. That is simply a fact. Yes, I stand behind those who did, but the reason I am not claiming that I was a direct part of this is because I was actually not a direct part in it. I don't know what it is you want me to say, but that is a fact. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Antisocial Malkavian
GloboTech Industries GloboTech Trade Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:52:00 -
[2029] - Quote
Holy crap I posted here yesterday it was at 42 pages
InternetSpaceship wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well its not the first time that the "eve is a sandbox" theme gets thrown by the wayside when game mechanics are used in an apparently unexpected way. It hasn't changed status from being a sandbox, the rules are just being changed. Jade Constantine wrote:The recent plan to near completely nerf defensive allies from the Inferno wardec system is a pretty good example of ("fairness for the attacker" trumping the sandbox of emergent gameplay and unexpected consequences) and its not the first time thats happened in the realm of hisec wardecs either. Yes, let's completely gloss over the fact that the reason for the change was the fact that everybody more or less dogpiled into every wardec which was opened up to the public, where some corps had 50-70 active wardecs. I kinda liked that. Given long enough, everyone in highsec would eventually be wardecced to everyone, and it would effectively be nullsec. So yeah, roll back the wardec nerfs, ccp.
This actually. Get rid of CONCORD. Ive said it a while now. Theyre broken and if we could shoot first, thered be people you could hire to defend you in high sec (you know, MERCENARIES). But heep the sec stuff so we cant get 100+ supercap gang banged http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
935
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:53:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Protip Buying things with legally earned LP from the loyalty point store is not "exploiting."
This just in: Jade Constantine: Jewball "not exploiting." |
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Thomas Shaefer
The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:53:00 -
[2031] - Quote
Well this is a thing. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
71
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:54:00 -
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Paint wrote: Well I am a little sad that you are quitting next week you see. I mean, someone as important and e-famous as you obviously has a big future left in this game. Perhaps you could single handedly save another alliance or two.
Mm... this *is* a tasty burger...
There's not much point in it. I figure that EvE is reaching a tipping point, and goons are looking to push it over the side. A few more jobs like this, and new subs will probably dry up entirely.
Me, I'm just gonna walk the web. You know, like Caine in Kung Fu?
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
936
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:55:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:There's not much point in it. I figure that EvE is reaching a tipping point, and goons are looking to push it over the side. A few more jobs like this, and new subs will probably dry up entirely.
Not to burst your little bubble, but subscriptions are actually going up for the first time in a long while. ;)
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RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
764
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:55:00 -
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Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:I said something like this was possible when they listed the changes that were coming.
I was told no one would want to do the work to pull it off.
Seems I new better.
This is all CCPs fault, this was a super obvious thing. It was one of the reasons i was against the FW changes that and station lockout. Most of the stuff wrong that is happening in FW was super obvious and long term bad ideas.
There is no way to fix this without being unfair about it now.
I give goons props for pulling off what I suggested to others ages ago. I dont think they should be punished for this. CCP will have to give them something in fair exchange for what they pulled off.
maybe trillions is the going price for the right to name a system or two.
Holy crap, I'm actually agreeing with one of your posts. +1.
It happens more oft then not. I can come of as harsh but ultimately im fair and interested in justice.
And the fact i did mention this was a possibility ages ago in terms of related game time means It was just something waiting to happen.
I haven't been around much cause i got hit by a car and had other things to take care of. But to come back and see that someone pulled off something i said was possible with the way they are setting up FW and that it happened just how i said it would was a nice present. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Xutech
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:56:00 -
[2035] - Quote
Quote: By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
Oh look, it's the sound of Darius Johnson wringing his hands over whether to screw goons or not. I bet he was up all night wrestling with the moral dilemma.
Would you like a guide to how not to screw over your old friends?
1. Don't use words to describe the situation that clearly show bias toward one interpretation of events.
2. Clearly show the way in which you have arrived at your decision.
3. Explain how you will ensure this kind of thing does not occur again and how players can help to prevent such a thing.
4. Be clear and fair if you remove assets from the people involved and do not take more than you should. Do not treat the involved parties as criminals.
5. Treat the entire event like some kind of hilarious and clever prank. Post with good humor. Contact the media and speak about the involved parties as clever players and turn the entire event into positive advertising.
6. If you're fair, unbiased and reasonable even the people you're taking isk away from will probably be okay with it. They certainly seemed like they were expecting to be caught and that the damage would be repaired. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2494
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:56:00 -
[2036] - Quote
Xython wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote: Burn Jita did just about **** all to the markets, and from my understanding, didn't really "inflict mass suffering" on anyone other than yourselves. People knew it was happening so they avoided the system for the most part. You just wasted a large portion of time because you threw a temper tantrum over Mittani getting a slap on the wrist for trying to coax everyone to get a guy to kill himself.
Yeah, they killed fifty freighters over a period of several days. I noticed that quite a few of them stopped posting when I pointed out that was a tiny fraction of Jita's usual daily traffic, and most people just went around. That's funny, we also noticed the "LOL GEWNS" guys shutting up pretty damned quick when CCP posted a devblog about it stating that trading in Jita was down what, 50% that weekend? Not bad for a test run. Now if only we had, say, 5 trillion ISK laying around for a nice month long go at it... Right around the time the wardec changes were messed with again making it hard to wardec us and screw with our fun...
If you did that I might be able to convince CCP soundwave to revert the wardec changes to 1.0 (or better yet) actually produce a decent compromise on the 1.1 fix that didn't massively disadvantage smaller alliances fighting much larger aggressors with the aid of hisec allies.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1169
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:58:00 -
[2037] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:maybe trillions is the going price for the right to name a system or two.
Goonamake a rogue goon |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:58:00 -
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People think we're distancing ourselves now? Did they miss the whole "super exclusive group of trillionaire market manipulators" thing? Eight people were in the know, and five of them did it. If it had been public policy, I can assure you, we would have obliterated the profits of all mission runners and earned a lot more than 5 trillion. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:58:00 -
[2039] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Xython wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote: Burn Jita did just about **** all to the markets, and from my understanding, didn't really "inflict mass suffering" on anyone other than yourselves. People knew it was happening so they avoided the system for the most part. You just wasted a large portion of time because you threw a temper tantrum over Mittani getting a slap on the wrist for trying to coax everyone to get a guy to kill himself.
Yeah, they killed fifty freighters over a period of several days. I noticed that quite a few of them stopped posting when I pointed out that was a tiny fraction of Jita's usual daily traffic, and most people just went around. That's funny, we also noticed the "LOL GEWNS" guys shutting up pretty damned quick when CCP posted a devblog about it stating that trading in Jita was down what, 50% that weekend? Not bad for a test run. Now if only we had, say, 5 trillion ISK laying around for a nice month long go at it... Right around the time the wardec changes were messed with again making it hard to wardec us and screw with our fun... If you did that I might be able to convince CCP soundwave to revert the wardec changes to 1.0 (or better yet) actually produce a decent compromise on the 1.1 fix that didn't massively disadvantage smaller alliances fighting much larger aggressors with the aid of hisec allies.
You do that. I'd love nothing more than to see highsec turn into a wardecced wasteland where everyone is blowing everyone else up because their corp has 50+ wardecs. It sure wouldn't change anything in null, so go nuts with it. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
71
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:59:00 -
[2040] - Quote
Xython wrote: Not to burst your little bubble, but subscriptions are actually going up for the first time in a long while. ;)
What we're seeing is a small percentage of players leaving TOR coming back to EvE rather than heading over to WoT. Since PvP hasn't improved since they left, how long till they leave again?
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
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