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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:04:00 -
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Annasys wrote:Burn New Eden.
Winter is comingGäó . |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1421
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:ITT Some clever bastards in GSF did some research and figured out how to manipulate the system in their favour, said goons preen, their detractors whine about them preening.
Meanwhile real world governments and commercial entities have staff do the same and eventually fail miserably, screwing everybody else in the process.
I approve of hiring Goons as Goldman Sachs consultants! If anything, fireworks are amusing.
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Annasys
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:13:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Annasys wrote:Burn New Eden. Winter is comingGäó
I like winter.
P.S. Burn New Eden. (So I can go play a better game.) *This space available*
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Aooz
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:15:00 -
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Wu-Tian wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.
The lost art of keeping a secret.
Just typical attention whoring by goons. But to be fair, this was probably the shining moment of OP's dark and dreary basement dwelling life, then you just have the usual mob of goon lackeys grasping for second hand attention which is really what they're best at.
Though it was an OK story, enjoy your space money and "loyalty points" |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:20:00 -
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Aooz wrote:Wu-Tian wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.
The lost art of keeping a secret. Just typical attention whoring by goons. But to be fair, this was probably the shining moment of OP's dark and dreary basement dwelling life, then you just have the usual mob of goon lackeys grasping for second hand attention which is really what they're best at. Though it was an OK story, enjoy your space money and "loyalty points"
beautiful shade of green to this post. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:23:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I approve of hiring Goons as Goldman Sachs consultants! If anything, fireworks are amusing.
They couldn't do any worse War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:33:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Just because a door is open, does not automatically mean that you should walk in.
Is the door located in an environment that is billed as being a sandbox? As was said earlier, the key really is in that word you seem to be hung up on. All boxes have boundaries, they must in order for them to function, without boundaries there would be utter chaos and would bring about the demise of any system fairly rapidly. Until now those boundaries have, for the most part, seemed non-existent because no-one had really found them. yeah its not a box without edges
Andrea Roche wrote:Tallon Sylph wrote:
Is the door located in an environment that is billed as being a sandbox?
is the sandbox yours or theirs?
they thought it was theirs, now theyre being shown its not http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:41:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Xython wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Man, only here would they have the hubris to argue the GMs are wrong and they are right. If CCP gives in to them its pretty much over lol They will OFFICIALLY have lost control If they do an investigation, and find that the 5 Goon Heroes that did this did not exploit any flaws in the game, and thus are pretty much honor bound to give the assets back... then it's not really "losing control". It's "doing what's right." Oh, sorry, I forgot. Screwing Goons is always "what's right", even if it damages EVE. Last I checked, I thought the community pretty much thought goons had CCP in their back pockets? What happened? Something not go your way, so suddenly everyones out to get you ? kinda like the csm argument lol are they useless or too poweful?
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:sort of like finding out your sandbox has razor blades hidden in the sand This is called Karma. Karma is a **tch.
by everyone other than Goons yeah. To them its a travesty lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:47:00 -
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Tolokar wrote:My question is why is Sreegs or CCP putting up with this? Why isn't this thread locked? Let the investigation occur and be done with it. If you know you didn't exploit or do something illegal you have nothing to worry about. If you did ... Well the. F*ck you and you got what you deserve for being scumbags.
Cause the last time they DID that the forums had to be shut off cause of the rage
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Betrinna Cantis
13
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:48:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Aryth wrote:It's more than that. To justify seizing everything, and even assets unreleated to FW, they have to be saying, using their own game mechanics, and the design they were repeatedly told was bad, is an exploit. That is what is so chilling about it.
This isn't the CCP of 2 years ago. Sonyfied CCP is not the CCP we know and love. They are something different now. It wasn't until it hit PCGamer they took actoin. They usually lock down everything until they can figure out exactly what is what and complete the investigation. But you know all about eve, the ins, the outs. So you knew they would do this. Seems a fair approch to me. If, say in RL, you get caught doing a Ponzi scheem or something along those lines, Your assets are frozen until things are sorted out. Not that hard to figure that CCP wouldn't do the same type of things is it? I may be wrong but it makes sense to me. Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:53:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: The last time I remember this was the last time I said a few posts back. When the volume of new threads required the forums to be taken down after the open letter and T20
I was thinking Mittens brush with permaban and arrest, myself.
I dont remember CCP actually having to shut off the forums to stem the rage that time tho lol
(sorry as you can likely guess, dinner has kept me a few pages back so Im catching up) http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2012.06.23 20:54:00 -
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Salient Soldier wrote:I like how Goons can admit to breaking EvE, and they dont even get a slap on the wrist.
CCP, grow some balls and empty all Goon wallets to 0.
Then perma ban all accounts of those who admitted to being involved.
Then Fix EvE, k thx bai.
i would say put their wallets to negative! That would be a nice punishment instead of ban! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:03:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: The last time I remember this was the last time I said a few posts back. When the volume of new threads required the forums to be taken down after the open letter and T20
I was thinking Mittens brush with permaban and arrest, myself.
ya cause as he said; cyberbullying in the US = child molesting.
It would have been hardly a "brush" if it were as serious as he pretended
But then again, the "if you cant do the time, dont do the crime" applies
corestwo wrote: You sort of see why many people see this as a massive change in precedent, right?
Because its Goons getting punished? Damn, youre right
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Posting in a thread...
Also....................HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHA.
Currently finding it comical that goons pride themselves on ruining other peoples game. But, give the most delicious of tears when someone (in this case CCP) ruins theirs!
Thats whats so damn funny, its not even ruined, or really dented. It was just money. no real punishment, and look at the 130+ pages of QQ http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:12:00 -
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Ariel Marquette wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Posting in a thread...
Also....................HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHA.
Currently finding it comical that goons pride themselves on ruining other peoples game. But, give the most delicious of tears when someone (in this case CCP) ruins theirs! Having your game ruined by a player is one thing. Having it ruined by the company is another. How can you not see this? Having your game ruined by players for no reason other than lulz is one thing. Having your game ruined by the company for pissing in their sandbox and then continuing to do it after they attempt to correct the issue is completely different.
"How can you not see this?" http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:21:00 -
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Minerva Seraph wrote:
A lot of us expected the rule of the game to be "If it's the logical ends of the code, so be it" - with the exception of CCP's rulings, applied forward. Metagaming cartels, products of market orders and refining, and spreadsheet abuse don't break the rules. Reacting limitless amounts of moon materials did break the rules.
Let it be.
Also; wardec changes recently
EVE isnt meant to be fair. As it was said. Why should CCP be? HTFU http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Tolokar
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:23:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Minerva Seraph wrote:
A lot of us expected the rule of the game to be "If it's the logical ends of the code, so be it" - with the exception of CCP's rulings, applied forward. Metagaming cartels, products of market orders and refining, and spreadsheet abuse don't break the rules. Reacting limitless amounts of moon materials did break the rules.
Let it be.
Also; wardec changes recently EVE isnt meant to be fair. As it was said. Why should CCP be? HTFU
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
472
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:24:00 -
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Ariel Marquette wrote:Xython wrote:This whole thing is a win win for anyone who likes good fourm rage. Either CCP is going to let this go (and the pubbies will EXPLODE), or they're not (and everyone who values the sandbox will EXPLODE). There may be a 3rd option, but I certainly ain't seeing it. Goons are "everyone who values the sandbox"? You really do think too much of yourselves. No one other than Goons and Goon cronies (looking at you, TEST) are going to be upset about anything bad happening to Goons.
I like how you lump anyone who doesn't explicitly hate goons so much they would go out of their way to hurt them in real life must be a goon or a goon crony. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:24:00 -
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Harden the ---- up. Its a saying invented BY CCP and in song lol
Ariel Marquette wrote:Xython wrote:This whole thing is a win win for anyone who likes good fourm rage. Either CCP is going to let this go (and the pubbies will EXPLODE), or they're not (and everyone who values the sandbox will EXPLODE). There may be a 3rd option, but I certainly ain't seeing it. Goons are "everyone who values the sandbox"? You really do think too much of yourselves. No one other than Goons and Goon cronies (looking at you, TEST) are going to be upset about anything bad happening to Goons.
And even certain TEST here have been laughing at them http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
130
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:25:00 -
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Tolokar wrote:
What's htfu
A polite version of STFU
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Rasmido
Liga Freier Terraner Ev0ke
5
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:27:00 -
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Tolokar wrote: What's htfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:28:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
****. I wish I had a job were I could **** up twice, keep my job, and be toasted for it.
Become a tax auditor, or a senior member of management.
Or a state worker, or DMV
Nakkano wrote:Well done Goons. This game needs you for exactly this reason.. pushing the boundary of the sandbox environment. Breaking all the things that were never considered. So in a way this is a good deed, although there will be a penalty most likely, you must carry on and continue doing what you do.
And to be fair, punishing the goons wallet will hurt them yes, but they are not the only ones who have benefited here. Everyone with buy orders of minmatar FW items soaking up these item dumps has benefited greatly as well with the price rebound after this event. So really the ones hurt are those that were competing to sell items while Goons crashed the markets, while buyers made bank. A mixed bag of casualties and winners.
How long does it take Goons to make 5 trillion?
Oh Im fully expecting to be told "but its the principle of the thing" http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
131
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:34:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote: I like how you lump anyone who doesn't explicitly hate goons so much they would go out of their way to hurt them in real life must be a goon or a goon crony.
It must be said that there are members of TEST who seem to have their lips permanently attached to The Mittani's posterior.
And, much like the male anglerfish that they're trying to emulate, they're a parasite on something about ten times their size, and a hell of a lot uglier.
I even had one go so far as to put me on 'ignore' because I *dared* say "that Mittens got off light and if she (I) was the GM on that case she(I)'d have thrown the book at him".
I have zero tolerance for that ****, and I don't care if he's secretly Helmar.
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Xutech
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:35:00 -
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CCP have been surprisingly tight lipped about the whole situation, sending out CCP SREEGS "the cooler" to keep things calm while minimizing the amount of community anger and wildfire speculation going on.
Has CCP contacted any media outlets about this story? It would make great reading and might attract more players.
I certainly hope some of you re paste the choicest quotes to Kugutsumen before they are removed / redacted by the fair minded moderators of this just city. |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
49
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:37:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:How long does it take Goons to make 5 trillion?
~5 months, i think. let me go find my source. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:38:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Fix Lag wrote:
I'd like you to expand on this.
It's sort of like when you use it against goons it's an exploit, but if they use it against you, it's a feature.
You know; how it used to be for BoB AGAINST Goons
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
134
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:39:00 -
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What's funny is Goons forgot this line in the lyrics:
"You best watch out ***** if you're an exploiting scammer Guard will gank you in the face with his big ban hammer"
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
134
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:41:00 -
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Xutech wrote:CCP have been surprisingly tight lipped about the whole situation, sending out CCP SREEGS "the cooler" to keep things calm while minimizing the amount of community anger and wildfire speculation going on.
Has CCP contacted any media outlets about this story? It would make great reading and might attract more players.
I certainly hope some of you re paste the choicest quotes to Kugutsumen before they are removed / redacted by the fair minded moderators of this just city.
I dunno what CCP will do, but I forwarded this thread to some contacts in the game media. Fun Fun Fun
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Xutech
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:43:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:What's funny is Goons forgot this line in the lyrics: "You best watch out ***** if you're an exploiting scammer Guard will gank you in the face with his big ban hammer"
The definition of exploiting is also redefined daily.
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
821
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:43:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Mechaet wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Maggie Maggie wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:When do we get to the part where we stop pretending that a gap in the timing of value calculation (programming) wasn't what was being taken advantage of here? This wasn't just market manipulation it was taking advantage of a flaw in the code. It is not always apparent what is a flaw in the code and what is a flaw in the design. Sometimes it is blatantly obvious, as in the ferogel dupe. A variety of now-defunct GARPA projects relied on flaws in the code, yes, we knew it, you fixed it, it's done. This, however, does not look like a flaw in the code. This does not look like code being pushed into an edge case where it goes for a variable that has not been initialized and instead picks up old junk that just so happens to not be junk. We've been there, this doesn't smell like that. The code didn't default into a case where it unexpectedly decides to calculate an EVE-wide 90 day moving average. That was a design error, not an implementation error. And design errors are fair game. Flaw in code was a bad way of saying things v0v You're correct that the code was doing what it was written to do. However when the new mechanic was introduced a system was being leveraged to determine the value of a currency that was not built for that purpose and that's what caused this. Only because a developer decided to include a value that the players can move, which in retrospect was a terribly bad idea. The math worked exactly as designed. Nobody's denying that here whatsoever. I think if you would just admit there are limits to to your sandbox and that if you screw something up you will intervene if you see something you don't like regardless of whether it's simply clever use of mechanics or an exploit of bad code, there wouldn't be such a disconnect between you and those you are arguing with in this thread.
Instead of saying "EvE is a wide-open sandbox" every time any one of you devs is in front of a camera... just add "pretty much" in front of "wide-open" and if asked explain it.
It would solve your communication problem here I think.
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Tolokar
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:44:00 -
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I see a lot of people un subbing for goon getting special treatment using an exploit where the common joe will get banned and have an investigation put on them. Like seriously ban the top. 5 collect the assets and back to normal |
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