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Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Construction Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.12.30 10:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Baron Agamemnon Really??? Imo, that isk can be better used to by new ships... Out of curriosity, do you buy isk (with plexes)? Just wondering since I think a lot about cost effectivenss of all my ships (nothign like my 9 Mill cruiser who kills all frigates regardless, hehe) I'll swoop in before anybody says anything rofl! There are some threads with me selling plexes but despite what that may look like I assure you I am quite poor irl. I have been independently wealthy in Eve for a couple of years now due to some good ol' fun with some ex-corpies and now work as an EOH Poker staff banker. So I have a good income. I think about cost effectiveness when I take my corpmates out to fight, but otherwise I just throw ISK into ships because it's my hobby. Fair enough dude Nice to see someone who makes isk in more creative ways, and I guess meta gaming makes more isk then ratting (not a bad thing) If I could afford such ships I guess I too would buy them, tho I like crusier sized ships the most persoanlly . For now tho I am happy with T2 fitted faction cruisers, hehe. --- "And thus, another of the world's dreamers died, taking his dreams with him. Just as John Lennon wanted world peace, Gerald Bull simply wanted a gun big enough to fire **** into space."
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol HellFleet	Posted - 2009.12.30 10:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Baron Agamemnon Fair enough dude Nice to see someone who makes isk in more creative ways, and I guess meta gaming makes more isk then ratting (not a bad thing) If I could afford such ships I guess I too would buy them, tho I like crusier sized ships the most persoanlly . For now tho I am happy with T2 fitted faction cruisers, hehe. Yeah, I understand your position. I talk with my corpmates a lot about new faction fits and stuff I think up and they think it's great. Then I look at their fits and see all tech 2 and think that's great too. Why? Because I understand that the majority of players flying faction ships will have maybe one or two faction mods on it and that's it. That means that if you throw 100 guys with faction ships into a room together I really doubt you'd find a lot of tricked out fully faction fitted over-the-top ships, and more of the moderately priced variety. That is totally okay. The fact is, faction ships give great bonuses, and all I like to do is further enhance the abilities those bonuses give by fitting faction to them. I was out flying around with my corpmates today for a small roam. I was in my Ashimmu which has faction/deadspace everything. Thing is, we brought along my corpmate's Damnation and he had Interdiction Maneuvers on it as well as Passive Defense. I checked out my 23.5km 90% web and started drooling. I mean, seriously that's ridiculous. If you were using say, tech 2 you'd get that 90% web strength out to like 18km and that would be totally fine for normal play. A lot of people knock setups for being expensive. I say fly it if you have the money and care about the ships. People who soup up their cars spend literally thousands of dollars for some nice paint or a few extra horsepower. I think in the same way. Faction is my hobby. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Heccie Thump	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:28:00 - [33] Originally by: Marketing Agent Since you dont need a warp scrambler this is a great fit [Merlin, 1vs1 tournament] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Medium Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II 75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge S 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile Small Core Defence Field Extender I Small Core Defence Field Extender I Small Core Defence Field Extender I Sit back and whittle down your opponent slowly while he struggles to get past your 14k EHP and +80 dps regen. Ha Ha Ha. Sit back? How? You have no propulsion and no web. Any standard Rifter will blow you away in no time. AB on, approach at an angle, orbit 500m, guns and NOS on, pulse armour repper as required, Game Over. Rails won't be able to hit and 2 launchers won't do enough DPS on a moving target.
Hera Ominae	Posted - 2009.12.30 13:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 08:52:48 Originally by: King Rothgar Using meta 5 and below, I don't see how you could break 50M even with t2 rigs, never mind 500M. Meta 5 and below means no faction/deadspace and that stuff is the only way I know of to make a true t1 frigate cost so much. In any case, don't spend that much. It's just silly especially for a dinky competition like that. I've spent about 2.6 bil in pirate faction ammo in the past month. The fit I had in mind required 300 mil for 3 ammo crystals. Mahke I like that fit a lot. It certainly fits my style, but I am super-concerned about the lack of MWD or cap booster. :\| First guy with a neut kicks me out of the tournament, I worry. LOL 2.6 B ISK on ammo? You sure die often then, be sure that you keep your cargoholds full of faction ammo! Seriously, nobody is using billions on faction ammo... Or are you ratting with faction ammo?
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Construction Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.12.30 13:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Hera Ominae Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 08:52:48 Originally by: King Rothgar Using meta 5 and below, I don't see how you could break 50M even with t2 rigs, never mind 500M. Meta 5 and below means no faction/deadspace and that stuff is the only way I know of to make a true t1 frigate cost so much. In any case, don't spend that much. It's just silly especially for a dinky competition like that. I've spent about 2.6 bil in pirate faction ammo in the past month. The fit I had in mind required 300 mil for 3 ammo crystals. Mahke I like that fit a lot. It certainly fits my style, but I am super-concerned about the lack of MWD or cap booster. :\| First guy with a neut kicks me out of the tournament, I worry. LOL 2.6 B ISK on ammo? You sure die often then, be sure that you keep your cargoholds full of faction ammo! Seriously, nobody is using billions on faction ammo... Or are you ratting with faction ammo? Pirate faction ammo, not navy ammo. As I understand it. Check the market on pirate ammo and you will see that is a whole lot more expencive. --- "And thus, another of the world's dreamers died, taking his dreams with him. Just as John Lennon wanted world peace, Gerald Bull simply wanted a gun big enough to fire **** into space."
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.12.30 18:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Gierling It is very possible to build an Imicus that will control drones out to 100 K Maximum Targeting Range 35 km GLWT *-- He said "The President is near."*
Aegis Osiris Gallente Failure Avoidance Insurance Limited	Posted - 2009.12.30 19:01:00 - [37] Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 30/12/2009 19:05:16 Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 30/12/2009 19:04:51 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Gierling It is very possible to build an Imicus that will control drones out to 100 K Maximum Targeting Range 35 km GLWT Without a mod, perhaps. Assuming all level V: Low: 2 x OD II Mid: Catalyzed cold gas mwd SB II w/ range script Hi: 2 x Black Eagle DLA (are these in game and right meta? haven't checked, so assuming) rigs: 3 x small drone speed aug. II made of tissue, 3148m/s (4505m/s overload) Lock range = 70km w/ warrior II's, speed = 8800, 48 dps w/ hob II's, speed = 5126, 59 dps control range = not sure of the total, but the DLA's alone add 52km, should easily hit 70. Risky, but if you start far enough apart and can keep the range it could work. If they can hit you from word go, you die. These numbers are sans implants, btw I like violet more then pink. Intereo Infidelis
The Tzar T-Wrecks Cult of War	Posted - 2009.12.31 01:50:00 - [38] [Griffin, win 'cos of falcon] Damage Control II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II Rocket Launcher II, Foxfire Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Foxfire Rage Rocket 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Particle Dispersion Augmentor I [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x1 Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels.StevieSG
The Tzar T-Wrecks Cult of War	Posted - 2009.12.31 02:13:00 - [39] [Kestrel, could be fun] Power Diagnostic System II Micro 'Vigor' I Core Augmentation 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Small Shield Booster II Standard Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Core Defence Operational Solidifier II Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels.StevieSG
Gierling Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.31 04:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Aegis Osiris Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 30/12/2009 19:10:40 Without a mod, perhaps. Assuming all level V: Low: 2 x OD II Mid: Catalyzed cold gas mwd SB II w/ range script Hi: Black Eagle DLA (are these in game and right meta? haven't checked, so assuming) 1 x open (gun? small neut? whatever) rigs: 3 x small drone speed aug. II made of tissue, 3148m/s (4505m/s overload) Lock range = 70km w/ warrior II's, speed = 8800, 48 dps w/ hob II's, speed = 5126, 59 dps control range = at leas 82km Risky, but if you start far enough apart and can keep the range it could work. If they can hit you from word go, you die. These numbers are sans implants, btw That's sorta what I was thinking about, also targeting is only necessary to order the drones to attack in the first place, they should still keep attacking out to the max control range. Though this would be a lot better if good-meta drones existed. Oh well.

Arcelian Amarr	Posted - 2009.12.31 05:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 08:52:48 Originally by: King Rothgar Using meta 5 and below, I don't see how you could break 50M even with t2 rigs, never mind 500M. Meta 5 and below means no faction/deadspace and that stuff is the only way I know of to make a true t1 frigate cost so much. In any case, don't spend that much. It's just silly especially for a dinky competition like that. I've spent about 2.6 bil in pirate faction ammo in the past month. The fit I had in mind required 300 mil for 3 ammo crystals. Mahke I like that fit a lot. It certainly fits my style, but I am super-concerned about the lack of MWD or cap booster. :\| First guy with a neut kicks me out of the tournament, I worry. Wait, what? 300 Mil for 3 crystals....I'm no mathematician, but that sounds like 100 mil per crystal. Huh?
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol HellFleet	Posted - 2009.12.31 06:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Arcelian Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 08:52:48 Originally by: King Rothgar Using meta 5 and below, I don't see how you could break 50M even with t2 rigs, never mind 500M. Meta 5 and below means no faction/deadspace and that stuff is the only way I know of to make a true t1 frigate cost so much. In any case, don't spend that much. It's just silly especially for a dinky competition like that. I've spent about 2.6 bil in pirate faction ammo in the past month. The fit I had in mind required 300 mil for 3 ammo crystals. Mahke I like that fit a lot. It certainly fits my style, but I am super-concerned about the lack of MWD or cap booster. :\| First guy with a neut kicks me out of the tournament, I worry. Wait, what? 300 Mil for 3 crystals....I'm no mathematician, but that sounds like 100 mil per crystal. Huh? In Jita (where I can find the best supply), Dark Blood crystals cost about 116 mil a whack (for medium and small. I don't have a ship I want to use larges on.) www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2009.12.31 07:37:00 - [43] Originally by: MenanceWhite Kestrel with std missiles and MWD. snipe them for 30k 40km but qft -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Jaxxon Voers Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.12.31 08:41:00 - [44] Siig, you make me lol so hard. Just keep throwing money at it, its got to work sometime, right? Right?
Wideen Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.12.31 11:41:00 - [45] [Griffin, Frig tourney] Signal Amplifier II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - White Noise Generator II Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rage Rocket Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x1 WIN.
Vixisti Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.12.31 15:29:00 - [46] You cant build a frigate that will beat every other frigate no matter how much you spend. You may come up against a frig that perma jams you or can dictate range better with long range weapons or is quick enough to web and scram you and then pummel you will superior dps. Stop trying to buy skill- you will fail miserably.


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