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Lude Behaver
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lude Behaver on 30/12/2009 05:01:38
Corp theft is one of the many ways a person can gain isk in the game. Its not the most respected way, but it is a way. I have been stealing from corps in game for a few months now. I have made billions. I have always reasoned with my conscience by rationalizing that its a game and stealing is part of the game. In real life I would never steal or take from an individual for personal gain. I treat others with the same respect I command.
I have never had an issue with stealing from players until now. Eve is a harsh world. I have come to the path I am on simply because I realized early on that I was either going to complain about being the victim or become the predator. I will admit that is a shame that the game has molded into the cold heart that it is, but I love it!
Ok so here is the deal
A few weeks ago I lied my way into a very small industrial corp. and gained the trust of the ceo by pouring out this sob story. Kind of like a peddler. I received access to a hanger and eventually the rights to accept applications for the corp. I presented myself as one of wealth but had lost it all due to in game scammers. We worked out a deal to share ships. We assigned a hanger and would leave the ships in the hanger for use if we were online at different times. The other day I decided to sell the ships. and leave the corp. and move on. Trough out the weeks we have talked and had a good time. We mined together, ran missions, and even talked about personal life. After I sold the ships I logged offline and went to sleep. The next day I logged and my ceo was online. The 24 hours had not yet passed and he was asking about the ships not in the hanger, I simply explained it away and it was all good. We started carrying on a convo about real life. Lets just say that my real life at the moment is at a low and money is tight. My ceo had asked me about my game membership and was wondering if I was going to be able to afford to play. I simply replied that I was not sure but that I could work it out. We logged and that was that. Well today I logged in to find a contracted Plex card paid by my ceo. :/ God I want to take it so bad. LOL what would you do?
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:04:00 -
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Holy wall of text batman!
On the other hand everyone has there own opinion and you can feel free to disagree with my sig.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:04:00 -
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What would I do?
I'd learn to format text, and not to brag on a forum.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:06:00 -
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You don't seem cut out for the job 
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: MeatSlab on 30/12/2009 05:14:37
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crazybitchass
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:19:00 -
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Dont take kis real life money, just reject the contract. My 2 cents.
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:30:00 -
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You found a decent, caring person with a lot of good qualities in Eve. Do you really want to prove that you are a jerk?
Amanda Wilkins
CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
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Dead Geisha
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Dead Geisha on 30/12/2009 05:31:53
You seem to be suffering from the virus 'conscience' - as it seems that you are having trouble acting on such lucrative offerings.
Conscience is a malvolent and naughty disease that will cripple you slowly but surely. It will poison your actions and make you incapable of success.
Best thing to do is to act against it as often as possible, until it looses its grip on your mind and emotions.
Just do it. Step out of the prison created by conscience and accept the freedom to grow unrestrained, like a flower opening up and stretching itself towards the Sun of Profit.
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Pulivin Motic
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Pulivin Motic on 30/12/2009 05:43:17
buy the ships back and put them back in the hanger, leave the corp and move on.
Oh and dont except the contract tell him you got some money from your grandma or something
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2009.12.30 05:46:00 -
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stealing corp crap is all good ingame.. but plex..
id drop the contract. thats hes RL cash.
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Lord Windu
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.30 06:06:00 -
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Do whatever you want, because you will anyway.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2009.12.30 06:12:00 -
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You're suffering from an attack of conscience. Since a conscience is just a damn annoying cricket, you should kill the cricket. Lock yourself in a small room and set off half a dozen insecticide foggers (aka "bug bombs") and wait. The problem(s) will soon be solved.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.30 06:18:00 -
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I know what you should do.. Join a goon corp and keep doing what your doing... 
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Apoctasy
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.12.30 06:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Dead Geisha
Edited by: Dead Geisha on 30/12/2009 05:31:53
You seem to be suffering from the virus 'conscience' - as it seems that you are having trouble acting on such lucrative offerings.
Conscience is a malvolent and naughty disease that will cripple you slowly but surely. It will poison your actions and make you incapable of success.
Best thing to do is to act against it as often as possible, until it looses its grip on your mind and emotions.
Just do it. Step out of the prison created by conscience and accept the freedom to grow unrestrained, like a flower opening up and stretching itself towards the Sun of Profit.
that's beautiful
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.12.30 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 30/12/2009 07:22:25
Kind of messes with the rationalization that it's only a game doesn't it.
Corp theft absolutely has a place in EVE, and the game would be diminished without it being a possibility.
However, this sounds perilously close to crossing the line between playing the thief, and being one.
I guess your conscience will ultimately have to be your guide on this one. Actually it sounds like you already know what you feel is right in this case, or you wouldn't have made the post to begin with.
Amazing as it may be to us jaded net denizens, you do sometimes actually meet worthwhile people and make friends on the net. It would be a pity to dismiss him solely because you met him while playing an online game.
Besides, it's easy to be a thief in EVE. It's hard to be a thief with class in EVE.
I hope it works out in your best interest as well as his.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2009.12.30 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
stealing corp crap is all good ingame.. but plex..
id drop the contract. thats hes RL cash.
PLEX is not RL cash, it cannot be used out of game. Of course at the end of the day, RL cash is simply a reward for your time and effort, as are items earned in-game; the only difference is in possible uses and their consequences. So "it's all good ingame" is by itself a pretty crappy excuse for what isn't much different from pocket picking.
Originally by: Lude Behaver
Well today I logged in to find a contracted Plex card paid by my ceo. :/ God I want to take it so bad. LOL what would you do?
No idea. Maybe keep escaping from reality until i have no money left to pay the rent. Maybe leave the game alone and try to improve my real life situation. Preferably in a respectable way. If only because in rl it's much harder to escape your reputation.
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Yur mom
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:31:00 -
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View it like it most likely is... that ceo probably just bought the plex with isk and contracted it to you. Don't go assuming anyone who knows you for less than a year would pump real money into your sorry ass. take the plex and leave his ass in the dust, either that or see how much you can squeeze out of him.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:51:00 -
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Keep the ISK, reject the contract. It's the only right thing to do.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We are pleased to aim!
Or was that the other way around?
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Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:57:00 -
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I say keep the isk, and plex. After that ask him if he would introduce you his mother.... Job complete. 
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:08:00 -
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Pretty sad, just don't take the contract and come clean with the guy.
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Elena Laskova on 30/12/2009 11:14:08
OP: "Please tell me it's ok to stab my "friend" in the back, and set him up to do it again".
He's the victim of a vicious scam. You're a thief. You've been pretending to be people's friend so you can steal their time.
It seems you hide in the illusion that there's a difference between in-game time and other time /lol. You want to believe there's a difference between stealing ISK, stealing a PLEX, and stealing money from someone's wallet IRL /lol.
Well, what does every thief do to self-justify? They get some other scumbag to tell them their victim deserved it. You started this thread in the hope that other players would tell you to take the PLEX and keep stealing. Of course this happened. This is EvE. Theft, scamming, ganking are all "game-legal". But that doesn't make them good behavior.
Don't pretend you're not stealing something people value (their leisure time) from real people. Or that the large number of other thieves in the game change the nature of *your* actions.
Your decision. Your actions. Your responsibility.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lude Behaver
Lets just say that my real life at the moment is at a low
And you want to **** off a guy who has shown a willingness to help you?
Yep, the phrase loser at life was invented for guys like you.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 30/12/2009 11:16:06
Quote:
Corp theft absolutely has a place in EVE, and the game would be diminished without it being a possibility.
Would be true if there would be any consequences to it, but it is just done on alts only, removing any form of consequence or risk. It is a harsh world, except for the corp thieves who just get new alt.
Quote:
You found a decent, caring person with a lot of good qualities in Eve. Do you really want to prove that you are a jerk?
This.
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Solar Blade
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Solar Blade on 30/12/2009 11:18:19
if this were star wars you'd right now be standing on the point of no return to the dark side. Think about that.
You've exploited several peoples trust, stolen what was theirs and now your even about to take a persons real money.
When you do the later you can even consider it real life theft.
Think where your boundaries lie.
Cause when you accept his offer to give you a GTC you are no longer an innocent player.
Instead you would have stolen 35 euro (dollars) from another person by lying to him.
And that only adds up to your wrongdoings, If you accept that you might never forget or forgive yourself for what you have done.
No matter how you deny it or pretend that its just a game...
You will have a scammed a person into giving you his money with false trust.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Pulivin Motic
Edited by: Pulivin Motic on 30/12/2009 05:43:17
buy the ships back and put them back in the hanger, leave the corp and move on.
Oh and dont except the contract tell him you got some money from your grandma or something
this :)
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innot
Minmatar
Gulliver Corp
Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:32:00 -
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stealing is bad mmkay
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:34:00 -
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Tough one, but ultimately I would reject the contract.
A game is a game and stealing is an accepted game mechanic, but taking the PLEX crosses a line IMO.
Speaking personally, I couldn't accept it and feel good about myself afterwords.
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Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lude Behaver
I have come to the path I am on simply because I realized early on that I was either going to complain about being the victim or become the predator.
This is where you made your first mistake.
Your current quandary is rooted in this misapprehension. There are in fact several other ways, and I would suggest that you've started to glimpse some of the alternatives.
Your conscience is going to have to be your final arbitrator in this matter; whether you treat the PLEX as an ingame item with the same trappings as any other, whether you consider it as real life cash or whether you treat it (as I would suspect it was intended) as an expression of the esteem in which someone holds you.
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Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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innot
Minmatar
Gulliver Corp
Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:57:00 -
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just take it and get it over and done with
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Oscardoodle
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.30 12:23:00 -
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PLEX = in-game items thus fair game. If someone sold one accidentally for 300isk it'd be perfectly legit and they shouldn't get it back if they petitioned it.
If someone is contracting you a plex (an in-game item) in-game... take it!
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