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Highlord Nicolai
Amarr Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.30 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Highlord Nicolai on 30/12/2009 22:41:56 It might be my limited mind that makes it seem as a bad idea to make another game, console game, to have effects on EvE.
I don't hate the idea of having fights on the planets and what not, but making a completely different game for it, and then put it on a console where an unknown about of EvE players wouldn't be able to participate, seems like a bad idea.
But as said, it might just be my limited prospective. ------------------------------------------------
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.12.30 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Highlord Nicolai Edited by: Highlord Nicolai on 30/12/2009 22:41:56 It might be my limited mind that makes it seem as a bad idea to make another game, console game, to have effects on EvE.
I don't hate the idea of having fights on the planets and what not, but making a completely different game for it, and then put it on a console where an unknown about of EvE players wouldn't be able to participate, seems like a bad idea.
But as said, it might just be my limited prospective.
Im not really bothered at all. Its a console game set it the same universe, but with very limited -if any at all- interference with what we do here in EVE.
When that is said, I wont be playing Dust myself. Not because of whats allready mentioned, but because I loathe FPS games..
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Emi Raaf's Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.30 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: MenanceWhite on 30/12/2009 23:14:29 Let's gather the facts:
It's "economy" will be completely separate from the already existing economy on EVE-Online, it won't "harm" EVE-Online. It uses the already existing backstory of EVE-Online, which eliminates the "have to make a new backstory" part on the production. It's "in the same universe" as EVE-Online, which means free hype/publicity and already existing fanbase. This goes both ways/both games benefit from it. Finally, it's an easy to get into console FPS. Easy to get into console FPS is literally the sh*t in making money (halso, cod, uncharted, etc)
sounds good to me, if I was an investor I'd totally raise my cigar and proclaim "BRILLIANT, FOUND IT!"
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Isurus Paucus
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Posted - 2009.12.30 23:15:00 -
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No, not really concerned. They will interact, but something tells me that there will be limits with backup plans just in case it doesn't work.
Besides, there's hardly any real information. A couple of keynotes and a video or three. No point in working ourselves up into a lather on something we only vaguely know anything about.
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Hardiel Da'le'mei
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Posted - 2009.12.30 23:28:00 -
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Very limited perspective I think.
1) The game will be a great advert for EVE - therefore more EVE players, therefore more fun 2) Consoles are better to limit possible cheating that you get in FPS games - auto targets etc - which are more prevalent in pc based games 3) Also consoles are far easier to code for due to limited hardware structures compared to PC's - cutting down costs 4) Consoles have their own closed network systems too, so they can tie the servers in easier hopefully :P 5) As for affecting EVE, it will affect a small part, and if you know what mercenary corp you are using and if they are good or not then its all good.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.30 23:30:00 -
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I would think the fact the games affect each other is a good selling point. From economy to goals.
The way they've explained it is that the economies will not be 100% dependant at the start and will only begin to really meld the economies together as time goes on. Sort of how every few years they review and remove more NPC sold items and give them to the players to remove market top/bottoms.
And with the ability to interact with each other, that increases the overall userbase and can potentially also bring people into EVE itself in the long run. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.30 23:48:00 -
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Dust will have a limited impact on EVE, i guess. With Dusties help, you would be able to conquer planets without nuking them from space, keeping all infrastructures intact. For Dusties, EVE missions will only be a manner to get a little more money, since most missions will be randomly generated by AI, without any link to the actual New Eden situation. The games will interact, but they'll not be dependant. It's not even sure we'll have enough Dusties to conquer or defend all planetary sectors implemented in EVE... -------------------------------- Fulbert. Miner - Industrialist |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.30 23:48:00 -
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You threatened to make a point then it faded.
"and then put it on a console where an unknown about of EvE players wouldn't be able to participate, seems like a bad idea."
do you mean "amount" instead of "about"? Why is having a different group of players playing DUST to Eve players a bad idea?
Anyway...
Eve would be way too wide a scope to involve planetry wars and stuff so making a seperate game makes complete sense. Putting it on a console makes sense too considering they often have better interfaces for shooter games and such. It also allows CCP to branch out as a company - making them stronger.
Making those games and communities interact is also a fun idea, and could potentially be amazing fun provided the interaction is balanced and doesn't undermine either game individually.
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Helix Cann
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Posted - 2009.12.30 23:53:00 -
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I'm so going to play this game. Plus I know my Xbox clan will want to play this. They just found out and are following the game after it was featured in Xbox magazine. If it includes all the stuff its promised, it'll be doubtlessly popular.
My only true worry is game design. I just hope they hire some new art designers for the game because most of the equipment seems eerily similar to other games. Also the running animation is horrible. It'll be interesting though to see how they configure the commander.
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Erinyes Nazgul
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Posted - 2009.12.31 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Highlord Nicolai it might just be my limited prospective.
This.
As neither you (or CCP for that matter) has any clue as to how DUST will integrate into EVE, your concern is WAY early. See you in a year or two...or three.
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ResKriv
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Posted - 2009.12.31 06:12:00 -
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Ah the thought of a 64 player planet conquering game (console).... and along comes a titian (pc) fires off a doomsday and scorches the planet.... 64 dead console toons.. I wonder if you would get kill mails for that? Yeah I know that this little dream of mine wouldn't happen, but they would never stand a chance to change how eve is played if there was a total integration of the 2.
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spoon reaver
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Posted - 2009.12.31 06:22:00 -
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Edited by: spoon reaver on 31/12/2009 06:22:20 Of course in the end this all depends on the fact if the dust even sells.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.12.31 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 31/12/2009 06:52:51
Originally by: ResKriv Ah the thought of a 64 player planet conquering game (console).... and along comes a titian (pc) fires off a doomsday and scorches the planet.... 64 dead console toons.. I wonder if you would get kill mails for that? Yeah I know that this little dream of mine wouldn't happen, but they would never stand a chance to change how eve is played if there was a total integration of the 2.
I have a fleet of Mega's ready to rain death from a 200KM orbit and show those console kiddies the real meaning of Dust. I want interaction and a lot of it
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AmarrettoDiAmarr
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Posted - 2009.12.31 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: spoon reaver Edited by: spoon reaver on 31/12/2009 06:22:20 Of course in the end this all depends on the fact if the dust even sells.
Technically, I did not think Dust was going to be sold - F2P with microtranactions I thought I read.
Seems like a nice diversification; who knows wether consoles will get a higher or lower % of the gaming profits vs personal computers.
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Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.31 07:25:00 -
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Too early to say, but I did hear something about DUST players not knowing who they were fighting for. Were this true, it would have the same exact impact on the universe as a random number generator deciding the results. _ |
Tbear
Cave Bear Mining
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Posted - 2009.12.31 07:59:00 -
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I'm more concerned about the drain on CCP resources that will take away from Eve development. If not actual Eve staff members then at least upper management will have their attention spans split between the two efforts. Neither is good for Eve if they occur. Plus the crappy economy in Iceland further complicates their personal lives in general. I see dust as just a distraction for the owners/managers of CCP. If they lose money, or need more development funds as they build that console game, guess who's on the hook.....all of us in subscription increases.
Too many good gaming companies have gone down this path before and failed. They do one thing great and then decide to expand their business by venturing into new arena's. My advice to CCP is not lose your focus on a console game and stick with what you do well, a PC based MMO. Once upper management divides their attention away from Eve, CCP will begin to decline and Eve will get less attention and resources.
Keep building Eve as a MMO with new content, constant updates and more ways for people to play the game and you will increase CCP's profits. I just don't see CCP making a hit out of another FPS in a very crowded FPS market. It can't be good for Eve and all of us....
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Aricaan
Profit Union
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Posted - 2009.12.31 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: AmarrettoDiAmarr who knows wether consoles will get a higher or lower % of the gaming profits vs personal computers.
Been living under a rock? The console market is like 10x's bigger than PC market.
I base this not on any numbers, but by how much shelfspace console games get vs PC games @ Best Buy |
Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.31 08:46:00 -
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Just compare the platform sales of any multi-platform FPS release. Thumbsticks are all the rage nowadays. _ |
spoon reaver
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Posted - 2009.12.31 08:53:00 -
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Wile I agree with your sincere thoughts of ccp keeping to its origin "Eve" where it should stay in an area where the company knows best. But I agree also with the diversification where ccp as a company can broaden its sales/market beyond just pc platform. As we all know it could potentially bring in more customers for ccp profits and also more people for its child. Eve mmo Dust "to me" represents another step forward for them to expand the eve based world beyond what we are accustomed with.. the fps with/instead flying around in hollowed out piece of metal trying to kill others flying around in their pieces of hollowed out metal.(obviously more then this but used as an example). Would ultimately if not close to being a company with a story that could be played in multiple perspectives (pod pilot vs fps soldier)
I am biased since I like fps's and I know I might enjoy the fact that there is an fps that may or may not have a direct or subtle impact on the Eve universe if any impact at all. But I also understand that maybe ccp is going a little over its head.. I may not know since im just a gamer but..
But what my fear is. Since it maybe a good intention to increase the universe and at the same time get their name into a broader market. But aside from us who know eve and obviously play eve. who in the console xbox/ps3 even knows about eve , if they even heard of it? might not be a problem in the greater scheme because there is a thing called advertising. but if this game is going to have any form of impact even small would this be a good thing? Some of us have been playing since 2003 and are pretty dedicated to the game but what about the console players? would they just play for a few months if that and then the game would collect dust? obviously this is speculative but its a fear I have with mutual respect. I may be wrong but I just wish they did not put the vise on the game just for consoles but included pc version as well.
~happy hunting.
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SlayerOfArgus
Gallente The Industrial Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.31 08:55:00 -
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Okay how would this sound? If the two games did eventually manage to become immersed together...what would you think about making titans captureable by dust teams? You would have to hire some dust players to protect your ships from other alliances that had already hired some dust teams to take your titan...just a thought I had. It has pro's and con's. And yes I know that having your titan being able to be captured and taken away from you by someone not in the game would make some people angry but hey that just gives you more incentive to shell out more money for the better dust teams...
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Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.31 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: spoon reaver
But what my fear is. Since it maybe a good intention to increase the universe and at the same time get their name into a broader market. But aside from us who know eve and obviously play eve. who in the console xbox/ps3 even knows about eve , if they even heard of it? might not be a problem in the greater scheme because there is a thing called advertising. but if this game is going to have any form of impact even small would this be a good thing? Some of us have been playing since 2003 and are pretty dedicated to the game but what about the console players? would they just play for a few months if that and then the game would collect dust? obviously this is speculative but its a fear I have with mutual respect.
That is why the game has to be GOOD first and EVE second. _ |
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.12.31 09:24:00 -
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Please continue the discussion in DUST 514 Discussion thread .
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