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Entgo Ditumi
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Posted - 2010.01.03 08:09:00 -
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Hulkaggedon is simply a manifestation of a bunch of sorry pirates who can't cut it fighting pilots who are prepared to fight back... I'm sorry, did I say pirates? Pffffff. They hardly deserve the name. Come to 0.0, where the real PVP is, you bunch of pansies.
As for people who think that surviving concord long enough to take down a hulk is a challenge: I suppose you have to crawl before you can walk. Let the real PVPers know when you can finally walk. Then they'll teach you to dance.
Good luck with Hulkageddon, you sorry excuses for PVPers.
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JaseNZ
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.03 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: FunzzeR THE SCOTTISH FOLD HAS ORDERED ME TO GANK MANY HULKS IN THEIR NAME!!
PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
FOR THEY HAVE INFINITE WISDOM AND WILL LEAD MINERS AWAY FROM THE TEMPTATION OF VELDSPAR!!
THE SCOTTISH FOLD ALSO SEEKS TO FREE MINERS FROM THE YOKE OF OPPRESSION THAT IS MINING!!
PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
My sister has a Scottish Fold. At first she didn't realise it, and thought something was wrong with their kitten, then they were told what a Scottish Fold is heh.
I wasn't flying a Hulk back when the first Hulkageddon came around, and not really too worried about this one. If I get bored with mining, I just go mission...might as well use the whole week to mission.
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Petrak O'Karr
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 02/01/2010 03:03:31 -Make trial alt -Warp hulk char into belt -Shoot at hulk with trial alt -CONCORD in belt, hulk ungankable -Repeat as necesarry once CONCORD warps off
Was that so hard?
you do know that alt accounts and real accounts can not be run at the same time, right?
just saying.
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Wensley
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:09:00 -
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Trial alt = second account made with buddy programme.
Come on people, keep up.
Oh, I'm so glad I've just fixed my security status...
Read my Piracy Blog
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: fmercury
Also, this is an exploit. Just FYI.
Shooting at ships with a trial alt is NOT an exploit. You can shoot ships with trial alts all you want.
Don't be a smartass. Spawning concord intentionally to protect you is an exploit
Don't be a dumbass, that intent can never be proven.
"I wasn't preloading concord, I was trying to suicide gank a hulk in my nub ship.".
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 03/01/2010 11:38:52 Using an alt to spawn CONCORD which is then recycled to circumvent the standing loss is an exploit.
Originally by: GM Grimmi Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple.
Linkage Edit: As sir gankalot said, spawning CONCORD itself is not an exploit. Could never be prooven. It's hard enough to proove the alt spawning CONCORD-thing.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.01.03 12:21:00 -
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'Pest Pilot here.
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Lara Angel
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Posted - 2010.01.03 13:00:00 -
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well, the gankers had it comming, sure you can kill our ships, but the prices will just rise on your own ships.
and you will weep.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.03 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lara Angel well, the gankers had it comming, sure you can kill our ships, but the prices will just rise on your own ships.
and you will weep.
except that your mining is meaningless since most of the minerals comes from refined mission loot anyways. oh sh- now what miner?
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2010.01.03 14:12:00 -
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Minerals are way too cheap anyway - not enough demand from 0.0, and WAY too many fat miners and MR's out there - and they'd be cutting each others throat for 1M/ISK an hour if it wasn't for the insanely stupid 'insurance fraud' demand pumping them full of ISK.
We need some chaos in highsec to fix the depressed T1 economy. Hulkaggedon should be seen as a service, for the good of EVE.
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Taiberian
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Posted - 2010.01.03 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Lara Angel well, the gankers had it comming, sure you can kill our ships, but the prices will just rise on your own ships.
and you will weep.
except that your mining is meaningless since most of the minerals comes from refined mission loot anyways. oh sh- now what miner?
hate to admit it, but it's true lara, The few hundred hulks that this hulkageddon might destroy is just a drop in the sea of more than 16K hulk and 9k retriever pilots out there, plus more than 43K l3/l4 mission runners reprocessing their loot
The EVE market won't notice absolutely nothing.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.01.03 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nika Dekaia Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 03/01/2010 11:38:52 Using an alt to spawn CONCORD which is then recycled to circumvent the standing loss is an exploit.
Originally by: GM Grimmi Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple.
Linkage Edit: As sir gankalot said, spawning CONCORD itself is not an exploit. Could never be prooven. It's hard enough to proove the alt spawning CONCORD-thing.
Exactly, the recycling of alts is considered an exploit but even then it's almost impossible to prove.
"I deleted that alt cuz I did not like the color of his hair." instead of "I deleted that alt becuz of bad sec stat" will get you off the hook.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2010.01.03 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: sir gankalot
Originally by: Nika Dekaia Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 03/01/2010 11:38:52 Using an alt to spawn CONCORD which is then recycled to circumvent the standing loss is an exploit.
Originally by: GM Grimmi Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple.
Linkage Edit: As sir gankalot said, spawning CONCORD itself is not an exploit. Could never be prooven. It's hard enough to proove the alt spawning CONCORD-thing.
Exactly, the recycling of alts is considered an exploit but even then it's almost impossible to prove.
"I deleted that alt cuz I did not like the color of his hair." instead of "I deleted that alt becuz of bad sec stat" will get you off the hook.
Same way petitions can actually get your stuff back ?
Feel free to try of course, but exploiting will at least loose you your main account permanently, and if CCP are feeling mean, then you'll get an IP ban instead. Also I think discussing how to exploit on the forums is going to make sure that CCP are in fact watching you constantly, waiting for you to pre-load concord, so you can be banned even faster :)
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Taiberian
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Posted - 2010.01.03 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Taiberian on 03/01/2010 16:17:58
Originally by: Katarlia Simov
Feel free to try of course, but exploiting will at least loose you your main account permanently, and if CCP are feeling mean, then you'll get an IP ban instead. Also I think discussing how to exploit on the forums is going to make sure that CCP are in fact watching you constantly, waiting for you to pre-load concord, so you can be banned even faster :)
you seriously think that CCP is going to monitor this guy 24/7 to deduce if he's shooting a ship to pre-load concord or just because he's bored?
Edit: btw if you were willing to pre-load concord to avoid get ganked is because you actually expect to get ganked, and just this expectation is enough to avoid you get ganked.
No need to pre-load nothing, just warp out when the gankers get inside the system.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.01.03 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Katarlia Simov
Same way petitions can actually get your stuff back ?
Feel free to try of course, but exploiting will at least loose you your main account permanently, and if CCP are feeling mean, then you'll get an IP ban instead. Also I think discussing how to exploit on the forums is going to make sure that CCP are in fact watching you constantly, waiting for you to pre-load concord, so you can be banned even faster :)
Pre-loading concord is not considered an exploit. The continues recycling of alts for the purpose of regaining sec status is...
BTW: that does apply to gankers too, training suicide alts and disposing of them once sec stat gets too low is an exploit. Not the ganking itself ofcourse.
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Dudley North
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Posted - 2010.01.03 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple.
Hmmm - has it not occured to anyone else that the people most likely to be exploiting according to that statement over the next few weeks are those using disposable characters for suicide ganking?
I mean, I wouldn't be so crass as to suggest that anyone who gets ganked records the names of the gankers, checks to see if any are subsequently deleted and forwards the names of deleted characters to CCP for checking. That would be a complete waste of time becuase all the people taking part will be using their mains.
Won't they.
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Hamano Walker
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Posted - 2010.01.03 17:07:00 -
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And. . .as much as I hate to say this. . . look at the numbers.
1 trial account = 3 alts total One attack = 2 hours of pre-spawned CONCORD You've got to get down to -5 (?) to get kicked out of .5 space completely. A simple attack has a relatively low sec status hit (numbers, anyone?)
Assuming you just semi-afk mine (read, check email or watch TV while mining) instead of utter bot mining (23/7 automated), do you really need more than 3 pre-attackers or suicide gankers to get through Hulkagaeddon?
Please not that this is a simple comparison of the loss of sec status over time based on the givens. It is in no way an endorsement of "calling ahead" to CONCORD, suicide ganking, using trial accounts for exploits or any other behavior which may or may not be against your EULA or EVE's TOS. Please call off the attack lawyers and the accusations of eprsecution in advance. Thank you. ---
How to deal with issues in EVE: Fight it, avoid it, run from it, buy it off, cry about it or learn from it. |
sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.01.03 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dudley North
Originally by: GM Grimmi Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple.
Hmmm - has it not occured to anyone else that the people most likely to be exploiting according to that statement over the next few weeks are those using disposable characters for suicide ganking?
I mean, I wouldn't be so crass as to suggest that anyone who gets ganked records the names of the gankers, checks to see if any are subsequently deleted and forwards the names of deleted characters to CCP for checking. That would be a complete waste of time becuase all the people taking part will be using their mains.
Won't they.
Yup, suicide gankers use this exploit all the time. Good idea to write down names and see if they play by the rules :) .
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William Atreides
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Posted - 2010.01.03 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Entgo Ditumi Hulkaggedon is simply a manifestation of a bunch of sorry pirates who can't cut it fighting pilots who are prepared to fight back... I'm sorry, did I say pirates? Pffffff. They hardly deserve the name. Come to 0.0, where the real PVP is, you bunch of pansies.
As for people who think that surviving concord long enough to take down a hulk is a challenge: I suppose you have to crawl before you can walk. Let the real PVPers know when you can finally walk. Then they'll teach you to dance.
Good luck with Hulkageddon, you sorry excuses for PVPers.
This rocked so hard. *likes*
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Jacqueline Harrien
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dudley North I mean, I wouldn't be so crass as to suggest that anyone who gets ganked records the names of the gankers, checks to see if any are subsequently deleted and forwards the names of deleted characters to CCP for checking. That would be a complete waste of time becuase all the people taking part will be using their mains.
Won't they.
Since I was created only for the purpose of taking part in Hulkageddon, I will be deleted afterwards as being effectively useless (Hulkageddon not running).
My main is a miner and manufacturer and will be cursing me as he cowers in station like a pathetic wastrel (while, coincidentally, making a killing on selling suicide ships).
Result: my player gets to have a change from roleplaying a stiff-necked suited businessman to briefly roleplay a psychopathic anything-goes pirate.
This is not evading the consequences of my actions, this is having perfectly legitimate fun without having to go OOC.
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.01.03 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jacqueline Harrien
Originally by: Dudley North I mean, I wouldn't be so crass as to suggest that anyone who gets ganked records the names of the gankers, checks to see if any are subsequently deleted and forwards the names of deleted characters to CCP for checking. That would be a complete waste of time becuase all the people taking part will be using their mains.
Won't they.
Since I was created only for the purpose of taking part in Hulkageddon, I will be deleted afterwards as being effectively useless (Hulkageddon not running).
My main is a miner and manufacturer and will be cursing me as he cowers in station like a pathetic wastrel (while, coincidentally, making a killing on selling suicide ships).
Result: my player gets to have a change from roleplaying a stiff-necked suited businessman to briefly roleplay a psychopathic anything-goes pirate.
This is not evading the consequences of my actions, this is having perfectly legitimate fun without having to go OOC.
Yes, that goes for my new nub alt who will be trying to gank hulks in a noob ship during hulkageddon too!
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Jacqueline Harrien
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: sir gankalot Yes, that goes for my new nub alt who will be trying to gank hulks in a noob ship during hulkageddon too!
Well, no, not really.
I will actually be trying to kill ships, and adjusting my tactics and loadouts and training skills (at the cost of training time on my main) in order to do so more effectively, i.e. playing the game.
You will be blatantly exploiting a game mechanic because you're too much of a wimp to face the fact that you're flying a ship you can't afford to lose, i.e. being a snivelling pathetic complaining wretch.
I can see where "real" pirates get their negative opinion of hisec carebear miners from. It's attitude like yours that is the reason Hulkageddon exists. Speaking as a the alt of a hisec carebear miner, I wish to assure everybody that at least some of them realise that mining in empire isn't supposed to remove all risk of attack from sufficiently motivated opponents.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Borun Tal on 03/01/2010 20:07:40
Originally by: sir gankalot Exactly, the recycling of alts is considered an exploit but even then it's almost impossible to prove.
Little thing called a MAC address. If CCP wanted to do something about it they just embed any MAC addresses used at login into every account; if a preloader at one MAC addy is the same as another account, both get banned. But that won't happen, so the preloading with trials is perfectly valid.
Edited for grammar...
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Turiko
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Borun Tal Edited by: Borun Tal on 03/01/2010 20:07:40
Originally by: sir gankalot Exactly, the recycling of alts is considered an exploit but even then it's almost impossible to prove.
Little thing called a MAC address. If CCP wanted to do something about it they just embed any MAC addresses used at login into every account; if a preloader at one MAC addy is the same as another account, both get banned. But that won't happen, so the preloading with trials is perfectly valid.
Edited for grammar...
MAC adresses can be changed rather easily and there's other ways around it. Having two computers being a very simple example.
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Mara Tessidar
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:29:00 -
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Y'all could come out to 0.0 with me and play with the REAL carebears Oh, wait, I forgot, you're too afraid to pirate in lawless space. I mean, why else would you waste time and money shooting high-value targets where you'd lose security status for succeeding? Certainly not out of some vain hope that it would change the game... --
Quote: Your tactical brilliance shines with the intensity of a thousand suns. No, wait...that's your fleet commander turning into a rapidly-expanding particle cloud.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Tessidar Y'all could come out to 0.0 with me and play with the REAL carebears Oh, wait, I forgot, you're too afraid to pirate in lawless space. I mean, why else would you waste time and money shooting high-value targets where you'd lose security status for succeeding? Certainly not out of some vain hope that it would change the game...
because it's funny, and fun to do, and we made a cool contest with prizes out of it, and the fact that there is an endless stream of whining in 3 sub forums before we even fired a shot?
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jarlgeir
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:08:00 -
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About time someone made an effort to get rid of the macro-miners. ¦ doubt anyone but AFK miners will notice this event. Can we please have another Hulkageddon in February? Or better make it a monthly event?
As for exploits and silly game mechanics: Perhaps we should end insurance payouts for any ships destroyed by CONCORD? No self respecting empire will tolerate insurance payouts to terrorists. CCP, wake up please.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: jarlgeir About time someone made an effort to get rid of the macro-miners. ¦ doubt anyone but AFK miners will notice this event. Can we please have another Hulkageddon in February? Or better make it a monthly event?
As for exploits and silly game mechanics: Perhaps we should end insurance payouts for any ships destroyed by CONCORD? No self respecting empire will tolerate insurance payouts to terrorists. CCP, wake up please.
if i had things my way, there would be no insurance payouts in eve. at all. ever.
but them's the breaks. CCP does little to stop people sleeping their way into billions, and does nothing to improve low-sec as a place to live.
as written in the qu'ran, "If Mohammed won't come to the mountain, the mountain must come to Mohammed"
Thus we now bring lowsec to THEM :)
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Interstellar Commodity Exchange
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:20:00 -
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I wish nothing but the best of luck to gankers, especially in the Paara system. Yes, those gankers in the Paara system no doubt will do well, as there are many hulks and even orcas. Those hulks in the Paara system don't really seem to have to much concern for their safety either, not a whole lot goes on in the Paara system, in The Citadel, two jumps from Jita, which is in Caldari space. Paara. __________ Once you have their money, you never give it back. |
Gadget2068
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:26:00 -
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All miners should remain in dock, not just for a week but for a couple of months create an alt and do other things. They'll soon be crying for new ships and modules, they will need the ore to make replacements, The ore price will match the market demand and rise
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