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Taiberian
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gadget2068 All miners should remain in dock, not just for a week but for a couple of months create an alt and do other things. They'll soon be crying for new ships and modules, they will need the ore to make replacements, The ore price will match the market demand and rise
If all miners (and I meant ALL) dock anything with a mining laser forever and start to run missions the minerals prices would actually drop.
just with the reprocessed loot would be enough to satisfy the demand of minerals.
nowadays, running L4s with a raven is very, very easy once you mastered, with an alt to loot/salvage you can get $20-25Mill/h, you are not as easy prey for gankers as a miner.
Seriously, mining is a dead profession, is a matter of time.
I said this with pity, coz I liked to mine... but, being honest to myself I had to admit it and move on.
Mission running IS the solution for High-sec income.
Forget mining, just give it up. is dead.
I really don't get why still are 16K of them.
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8O2080208O2080208020
Minmatar 8O2O
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Posted - 2010.01.03 22:16:00 -
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There will be a great gnashing of teeth
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Gordo Fartis
Caldari 13th Squadron E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2010.01.04 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Lara Angel well, the gankers had it comming, sure you can kill our ships, but the prices will just rise on your own ships.
and you will weep.
except that your mining is meaningless since most of the minerals comes from refined mission loot anyways. oh sh- now what miner?
This is funny... to think that trillion units of trit used monthly on average come from recyclin loots trully spoken by a non industrialist..
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L4zor R0B0T
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Posted - 2010.01.04 05:09:00 -
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There is only one god, and Mohammed is his prophet. The infidels in high sec will soon pay for their long scorn of those of us who reside in low sec, god willing. Anyone who opposes great god's will must be decimated, removed from the galaxy in a hail of blaster, laser, and projectile fire. We will make your haulers fear for their lives as they warp away from us to the station. We will hunt every last hulk until they are destroyed, whether it is in high sec, low sec, or 0.0. We will never surrender, INSH'ALLAH!!!
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.04 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gordo Fartis
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Lara Angel well, the gankers had it comming, sure you can kill our ships, but the prices will just rise on your own ships.
and you will weep.
except that your mining is meaningless since most of the minerals comes from refined mission loot anyways. oh sh- now what miner?
This is funny... to think that trillion units of trit used monthly on average come from recyclin loots trully spoken by a non industrialist..
Don't eyeroll at me bub, we KNOW the majority of minerals comes from recycled loots because CCP has repeatedly told us this is the case.
Now personally, I think that's very very wrong, but hey. :/
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
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Posted - 2010.01.04 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alt0101
I really don't get why, but seems like the whole EVE universe is against miners.
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Hell, a miner with a maxed Hulk can make, how much? $8-10Mil/h? while a semi-AFK mission runner can make $20-25. and flood the marker with cheap mineral after reprocess all the loot.
It's because Hulks are easy kills. Most people mine in hulks AFK and you don't need much to take one down in high-sec. Since they go against the "system" (ie Concord) and can succeed, it makes it more interesting to try and do. If Exhumers had double the hps I doubt people would put any effort into trying to gank them anymore.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.04 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zifrian
It's because Hulks are easy kills. Most people mine in hulks AFK and you don't need much to take one down in high-sec. Since they go against the "system" (ie Concord) and can succeed, it makes it more interesting to try and do. If Exhumers had double the hps I doubt people would put any effort into trying to gank them anymore.
On the other hand, some of us like a challenge
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vanich
Caldari Capital Supplies Core Factor
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Posted - 2010.01.04 10:13:00 -
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God knows i have lost my share of ships in eve, but WTF? u guys r whining over a ship that hasnt been destroyed YET* I am a miner and already Loling at the whines, i can just imagine howmuch fun the pirates r having.
I think i should change professions, seems to be alot of fun being a
lols, have fun and pls lose some ships
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Boink'urr
Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2010.01.04 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Gordo Fartis
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Lara Angel well, the gankers had it comming, sure you can kill our ships, but the prices will just rise on your own ships.
and you will weep.
except that your mining is meaningless since most of the minerals comes from refined mission loot anyways. oh sh- now what miner?
This is funny... to think that trillion units of trit used monthly on average come from recyclin loots trully spoken by a non industrialist..
Don't eyeroll at me bub, we KNOW the majority of minerals comes from recycled loots because CCP has repeatedly told us this is the case.
Now personally, I think that's very very wrong, but hey. :/
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Honor Wardog
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Posted - 2010.01.04 16:48:00 -
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Helicity et al, I want to thank you for HAG. I'm a miner and normally something of a carebear, and I think you're doing a great thing by organizing HAG. I'm totally serious. Eve just got a lot more interesting, and mineral prices have been awful lately. I bought an extra hulk, and yes, you bet I'm hoping the price goes up!
I don't like pirates, but this is Eve. Whiners, get a grip! Rise to the challenge! If you want to fight back, fit repper ships to fleet with your Hulks. You just need the Hulk to last long enough for Concord to do all the heavy lifting. (Don't worry about podding gankers. Only really stupid pirates fly with implants, and neither should you at times like this.)
Remember: Combat is merely doing business by other means. |
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davet517
Raata Invicti Undivided
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Posted - 2010.01.04 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: davet517 on 04/01/2010 19:45:19
1. Put Warp Stabs on Your Hulk
2. Fit a sensor booster(not much need for a tank in high-sec anyway)
3. Medium ECM Drones set to agressive.
4. Watch Wannabees get Concordokken after trying to scram your stabbed hulk
5. Scoop Loot
6. Profit
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Heshvette
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Posted - 2010.01.04 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Heshvette on 04/01/2010 20:12:04 Edited by: Heshvette on 04/01/2010 20:11:28 The real tragedy of it all is that I may be alt+tabbed reading all the happy trolling and tears on the forums while my fancy hulk gets blown up. What shall i do?!
Added "on the forums" for those who may be worried I read other things. Also edited to add this edit...for those who fear I'm dishonest.
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Spectre3353
Gallente The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.04 21:43:00 -
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The most truly disturbing part of all this is that the organizers of this event and those participating really don't feel that what they're doing is wrong. Somehow the act of griefing, trolling and molesting a group of players who offer absolutely no threat and actually make your gameplay possible by providing materials for YOUR SHIPS is something to be proud of? All you are doing is ruining the gaming experience for a group of players simply for the fun of it. Not only that but you are proudly advertising and REWARDING pilots for griefing to maximum effectiveness.
I honestly think that there is no place in Eve, other MMO's or even society for groups or individuals of this mindset. If you want to ruin someone else's fun, do it to yourself or go torture squirrels. The people of the world are already bad enough off without your hate-mongering. -----
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Jath Tola
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Posted - 2010.01.04 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Spectre3353 I honestly think that there is no place in Eve, other MMO's or even society for groups or individuals of this mindset. If you want to ruin someone else's fun, do it to yourself or go torture squirrels. The people of the world are already bad enough off without your hate-mongering.
I hate to be disrespectful, but...
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA *gasp* AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
You are quite clearly playing the wrong game. I won't comment on the "actually make your gameplay possible by providing materials for YOUR SHIPS" fallacy, it's been done to death.
And am I the first person to point out that among the list of horrible dictators was "Kim Jong II", as in Kim Jong 2? The second? Is he related to Kim Jong Il?
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Winterjack
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Posted - 2010.01.04 22:50:00 -
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An attack on RL? A service to EVE?
Come on. This is an event. Plain and simple. The miners will lose some stuff, the pirates will get concordokken. Big deal. As much as I don't much like non-consensual PVP I realize there's a category of PVPers that do. They like the easy gank. Fine. Miners have the choice to park your hulk. One week without mining will increase the prices of minerals. Get over yourselves.
Culling the stupid? Don't overestimate yourselves. A service to eve? You really believe that stuff? You're gonna have fun and gank some unprotected ships. Big deal.
A tiger does not attack the elephant - it attacks the gazelle. Why? because it's easier. The tiger has no big badass pirate delusions.
Fly safe, miners, and have fun pirates. At end of hulkageddon, I'm sure my profits will be higher.
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Stu Pendisdick
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.01.04 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Spectre3353 The most truly disturbing part of all this is that the organizers of this event and those participating really don't feel that what they're doing is wrong. Somehow the act of griefing, trolling and molesting a group of players who offer [b]absolutely no threat..............
Not so at all. You are a HUGE threat. You are mining MY asteroids and killing MY belt rats, interfering with MY income, and as such YOU MUST DIE.
No threat my *****.
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Yargok
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.01.05 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jath Tola
Originally by: Spectre3353 I honestly think that there is no place in Eve, other MMO's or even society for groups or individuals of this mindset. If you want to ruin someone else's fun, do it to yourself or go torture squirrels. The people of the world are already bad enough off without your hate-mongering.
I hate to be disrespectful, but...
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA *gasp* AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
You are quite clearly playing the wrong game. I won't comment on the "actually make your gameplay possible by providing materials for YOUR SHIPS" fallacy, it's been done to death.
And am I the first person to point out that among the list of horrible dictators was "Kim Jong II", as in Kim Jong 2? The second? Is he related to Kim Jong Il?
Silly boy, you were just trolled. -That is Spectre, the CEO of the same corp as Helicity, the founder of HAG :) Did not think someone would fall for it |
Skrull Kinta
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Posted - 2010.01.05 02:57:00 -
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Im a miner and at first I didnt like this but after reading the masive threads ive changed my mind.
My hats off to the ones that are seting it up. If you pull this off which looks like you will. Good luck and have fun. Ive been gakked before when ive lost my con. It happens I also have gotten gakked gating.
Life in eve I can make up the losses easy enough. Sure ****es you off at first but thats life in a pvp game.
So good luck to miners and pirates most of all have fun guys remember its just a GAME.
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Bilboz
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Posted - 2010.01.05 05:07:00 -
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Awesome you want to play..lets play on the 7th im raising minneral prices 100% and everyone to do the same.Time to give the pvp corps a lesson in soddomy of the wallet.
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.01.05 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bilboz Awesome you want to play..lets play on the 7th im raising minneral prices 100% and everyone to do the same.Time to give the pvp corps a lesson in soddomy of the wallet.
I too dont understand basic market concepts in eve..
Miners couldnt change the mineral prices in eve even if they wanted to. Why? cause anyone and their mom can mine. Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.01.05 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant
I too dont understand basic market concepts in eve..
Miners couldnt change the mineral prices in eve even if they wanted to. Why? cause anyone and their mom can mine. Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.
Yes ... you really know Jack!
Lets think about this: a decent Hulk pilot and a good mission runner will 'earn' the same amount per hour. The difference is, that the runner will not melt everything because he will loose too much ISK. He is going to sell his stuff.
And by the way: I can maybe fly an BC with Miner IIs but I need 50 more days for a Hulk. A mission runner can fly a battleship within a week or so. So who can do what more easily?
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Rannarl
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant
Originally by: Bilboz Awesome you want to play..lets play on the 7th im raising minneral prices 100% and everyone to do the same.Time to give the pvp corps a lesson in soddomy of the wallet.
I too dont understand basic market concepts in eve..
Miners couldnt change the mineral prices in eve even if they wanted to. Why? cause anyone and their mom can mine. Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.
if they're as unimportant and irrelevant as you make them sound then why all the effort of suicide ganking them. People moan about macro miners but at the same time you're saying miners have no impact on the price of minerals, make sense much? lol |
Zanaraxtarus
Knowledge Stick Station The 0bsidian 0rder
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Velocity Prime Edited by: Velocity Prime on 02/01/2010 14:38:38
Originally by: Alt0101
So, first you claim your apology of terrorism and then when someone point this out you quickly come to retract you.. hmm to late, you have a big mouth.
I know who you are, you are the kind of person who take his joy by the others suffer.
That doesn't makes you special, despite your insane narcissism wished to be. unfortunately, the history has brought us other specimens with your similar way of thinkig. i.e. Hi*ler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong II... among others, sure you see them as "idols". I wouldn't even be surprised if like a little Josef Fritzl (sure you envy him) you have your own daughter locked up in your basement and you "have fun with your friends" by sexual abuse of her while watching movies like Saw which sure makes you get hard.
You are a mother nature aberration/outrage and you should has born dead.
I hope nature fix its error soon by giving you a colon cancer.
Bravo! Wishes of real life illnesses over some internet spaceships, well done!
And not even done in a message which makes sence (either grammatically, or ideologically) --Zan-- |
Zanaraxtarus
Knowledge Stick Station The 0bsidian 0rder
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: davet517 Edited by: davet517 on 04/01/2010 19:45:19
1. Put Warp Stabs on Your Hulk
2. Fit a sensor booster(not much need for a tank in high-sec anyway)
3. Medium ECM Drones set to agressive.
4. Watch Wannabees get Concordokken after trying to scram your stabbed hulk
5. Scoop Loot
6. Profit
Won't work... The majority of our targets are either too worried about maxing out thier profitability to give up slots for defence (perish the thought!) or are the kind of geniouses (genium?? ) who can't remember to do things like 'set drones to aggressive' (providing they even know what ECM drones are) --Zan-- |
Jurinak
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Posted - 2010.01.05 14:04:00 -
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this event doesnt change anythink, nearly noeone who dont read the forum will even notice.
Only one think happens and this is a little bit funny, a few miners get a warm wet feeling in there shorts but thats all.
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B0FROST
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Posted - 2010.01.05 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jurinak this event doesnt change anythink, nearly noeone who dont read the forum will even notice.
Only one think happens and this is a little bit funny, a few miners get a warm wet feeling in there shorts but thats all.
Another one, who does not understand the impact of a hundred lost Hulks.
When it is so funny to gank defenseless ships, why don't we all come to your place and kick your grandma down the stairs?
Go and bash CONCORD. THAT would be fun!
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Winterjack
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Posted - 2010.01.05 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant Miners couldnt change the mineral prices in eve even if they wanted to. Why? cause anyone and their mom can mine.
Can you mine 5 million tritanium a day? I doubt it. Check the amount of mineral orders fulfilled: it's 3 billions of tritanium only on any given day.
You can mine with miners 1 and an osprey but you'll never be nearly as effective as a hulk miner. Only from skills I get 30% bonus on yield, then you get miner 2s and MLUs, you get refinement wastage, and you get standings with the refining corps.
Prices would rise.
Quote: Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.
Now, this is a good objection. IF as someone said CCP reported, this is the truth.
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Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2010.01.05 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Nian Banks on 05/01/2010 15:33:15
Originally by: Winterjack
Quote: Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.
Now, this is a good objection. IF as someone said CCP reported, this is the truth.
Yeah, sadly it's the truth, CCP did state that the majority of the minerals in game came from mission loot and drone alloys.
Hence why I keep asking for meta0 tech1 modules to be removed from npc loot tables. Mining should be by right the main way to get minerals.
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Tzarus
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tzarus on 05/01/2010 16:32:20
Originally by: Nian Banks Edited by: Nian Banks on 05/01/2010 15:33:15
Originally by: Winterjack
Quote: Combine that with most minerals do not come from roids and you get the gist.
Now, this is a good objection. IF as someone said CCP reported, this is the truth.
Yeah, sadly it's the truth, CCP did state that the majority of the minerals in game came from mission loot and drone alloys.
Hence why I keep asking for meta0 tech1 modules to be removed from npc loot tables. Mining should be by right the main way to get minerals.
This, indeed, makes a lot of sense and I think everybody in EVE should agree.
What's the point to have the mining role play when the majority of its product actually came from a totally different source?
Better remove mining from game, or what Nian said.
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EnilToor
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Posted - 2010.01.05 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zanaraxtarus
Originally by: davet517 Edited by: davet517 on 04/01/2010 19:45:19
1. Put Warp Stabs on Your Hulk
2. Fit a sensor booster(not much need for a tank in high-sec anyway)
3. Medium ECM Drones set to agressive.
4. Watch Wannabees get Concordokken after trying to scram your stabbed hulk
5. Scoop Loot
6. Profit
Won't work... The majority of our targets are either too worried about maxing out thier profitability to give up slots for defence (perish the thought!) or are the kind of geniouses (genium?? ) who can't remember to do things like 'set drones to aggressive' (providing they even know what ECM drones are)
Exactly! i was looking at the last killboard from HAG 1 and laughing, there were hulks with the craziest stuff in the mids and lows. if they had a clue they could outfit a hulk that it would take a bit of fire power to take it down, im sure they still think a hornet EC is a type of bee that wishes to sting.
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