Pages: 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Exstasia
|
Posted - 2010.01.05 19:25:00 -
[121]
Looks like I'll be docked up for a bit! Let me know how this all pans out, i'm curious to know how many ships are gonna get blown up!
(seeing i'm relatively new and have 4 accounts, 1 orca, 2 hulks and 1 security, I wont be taking the risk in the belts that week. I'll focus on training something thats 7 days long :P)
|
Steve Thomas
|
Posted - 2010.01.05 20:00:00 -
[122]
1) run missions untill you get one with decent roids behind a jump gate or away from the warp in point (or scan down Grav sights)
2) park mining op pre alined to station and fitted with half way decent tanks and warp stablisers
3) optional park alt at the warp in point (on the first gate) so that anyone who flys in is spotted. a suprising number of missions the drop in point is a bit away from the first gate
4) turn in mission once all minable roids are gone
the odds are good that anyone who actualy scans down your location and shows up will be expecting to loot wrecks not shoot at a mining op
from what I have seen most simply fly out to whatever roid belts are out there.
*.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.*
Stop freaking worrying about why things the developers did 5 years and more ago no longer make sense. |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
|
Posted - 2010.01.05 21:32:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Barakkus on 05/01/2010 21:33:39
Originally by: davet517 Edited by: davet517 on 04/01/2010 19:45:19
1. Put Warp Stabs on Your Hulk
2. Fit a sensor booster(not much need for a tank in high-sec anyway)
3. Medium ECM Drones set to agressive.
4. Watch Wannabees get Concordokken after trying to scram your stabbed hulk
5. Scoop Loot
6. Profit
You're not very bright are you? This will just get you dead. The goal is to survive the suicide gank long enough for concord to do their job. You will not survive a suicide gank with no tank, you'll get popped in 2 volleys (or less), which, if they overload their guns might even get off a third if the first 2 don't kill you.
Tank your hulk and stay aligned. Most of the time when you're suicided the attackers fit for max dps, not scramming etc, they don't care, they're going to try and kill you before concord responds.
|
sir gankalot
|
Posted - 2010.01.05 23:08:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Borun Tal Edited by: Borun Tal on 03/01/2010 20:07:40
Originally by: sir gankalot Exactly, the recycling of alts is considered an exploit but even then it's almost impossible to prove.
Little thing called a MAC address. If CCP wanted to do something about it they just embed any MAC addresses used at login into every account; if a preloader at one MAC addy is the same as another account, both get banned. But that won't happen, so the preloading with trials is perfectly valid.
Edited for grammar...
Dude, it's not about MAC, IP or whatever means of account identification. It's about the fact that you cant prove ppl's intent.
Why did you shoot at that can in the belt? "Cuz I felt like it."
Why did you delete that alt when it hit -3 sec status? "Didn't like him, want a minnie alt now and he had little SP anyway.".
See what I'm getting at?
Look, if you delete 5 alts in one week or something then you might have a case. Other than that, it's incredibly simple to continue using ur -10 char to preload belts with concord too. Just abuse the same mechanics suicide gankers have done for ages.
Btw, apparently the concord trick doesn't work, according to the suicide gankers, so they can all stop *****ing about it.
Even if it did work, they will just alpha every Hulk, so no need for anyone to whine about this. The gankers themselves said it will not affect them
|
Ana'Lingus
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 02:14:00 -
[125]
Originally by: sir gankalot Spread the word brothers and sisters \o/ I might even actively go scouting for hulks during the event and warn them and pre-load belts with concord just for lulz.
for one, I don't think this works, and for two, I'm pretty sure this is an exploit..
|
davet517
Raata Invicti Undivided
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 05:04:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 05/01/2010 21:33:39
You're not very bright are you? This will just get you dead. The goal is to survive the suicide gank long enough for concord to do their job. You will not survive a suicide gank with no tank, you'll get popped in 2 volleys (or less), which, if they overload their guns might even get off a third if the first 2 don't kill you.
Considerably brighter than you are, I guess. You aren't going to tank a suicide ganker in your hulk, skippy. You can, however, be aligned and stabbed, and warp out as soon as he tries to point you. The ECM drones are there to jam him up if he's smart enough to have someone get him a warp-in so he can try to bump you, but if he were that smart he'd most likely be in 0.0 with the real PvPers.
If you fit a sensor boost to offset the effect of the stabs, you can still mine reasonably well and fit enough buffer to survive the one volley that he MIGHT get off before you're gone or he's jammed.
You should probably just stay docked. It's your best bet.
---------------- We're recruiting quality players. Check us out. |
Grim Bo
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 06:18:00 -
[127]
I for one will be mining Balls to the Walls in that awesome fail fit hulk. ill be in Kamio come and get me
|
sir gankalot
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 09:41:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Ana'Lingus
Originally by: sir gankalot Spread the word brothers and sisters \o/ I might even actively go scouting for hulks during the event and warn them and pre-load belts with concord just for lulz.
for one, I don't think this works, and for two, I'm pretty sure this is an exploit..
For one, if it doesn't work then why the hell should it be an exploit?
For two: it's not an exploit, you are free to do what you want with your alts, if you feel like shooting a hulk in your noobship and taking a sec hit you are free to do so.
|
Seralder
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 10:28:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Seralder on 06/01/2010 10:30:04 Edited by: Seralder on 06/01/2010 10:29:11 jupp, don't work... a new concord fleet comes and helps. but np... i got 31k hp with my hulk + HP with themodynamics overload... than + HP with fleetbonus... hmmm... time to loot pirates :D
|
Argat Bogotsch
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 11:42:00 -
[130]
"I really don't get why, but seems like the whole EVE universe is against miners."
Miners get raeped over and over again because they whine about getting raeped over and over again. They seem to forget the "sandbox" video CCP put out a while ago. One groups actions will affect another group. In other words - low-sec miners whine when their ships get blown up creating a negative stereotype of miners who care way to friggin' much about their ships (aka carebears). The pirates then decide a.) miners are easy targets and/or b.) are freakin' annoying. Then, when something brilliant and hillarious like Hulkageddon occurs, more and more carebears come out of the woodworks. Its not that we hate miners, its that we don't like whiners. And that is why you are now on my to-kill list regardless of whether or not you're in a hulk. See you, space cowgirl.
|
|
Scarry Peak
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 12:22:00 -
[131]
In the spirit of fairness - wishing both sides of the Hulkageddon II event well for the coming week.
I've switched down to a covetor just in case I do fancy venturing out ... I've also messed about with my scouting set ups to sneak out and watch what happens out there. And if they give a few macros a bloody nose... then I for one will not cry.. I'd rather change the way I play for a while and branch out in other areas then constantly be up against the 23/7 automatons!
Either way - plenty of other things for me to do in Eve during the week (although - right pain in the bum that I'm snowed in today... working at home for rest of week would have been ideal for a little mining!!!
Fly safe all...
SP
|
Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 13:27:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Droog 1 on 06/01/2010 13:27:53 Don't forget to petition every loss to hulkageddon participants. CCP will be able to tell which people are using disposable alts and which are using their mains. CCP have ISP details and can also connect alts with mains. If you believe someone is using an exploit you should petition them and let CCP investigate all the players on your lossmail.
|
Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 15:07:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Droog 1 Edited by: Droog 1 on 06/01/2010 13:27:53 Don't forget to petition every loss to hulkageddon participants. CCP will be able to tell which people are using disposable alts and which are using their mains. CCP have ISP details and can also connect alts with mains. If you believe someone is using an exploit you should petition them and let CCP investigate all the players on your lossmail.
unfortunately for you, spawning concord in a belt on purpose is an exploit. using alts to gank someone is not.
Have a wonderful day ya sad bastard :)
|
Mallory Starstreak
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 15:58:00 -
[134]
Anybody know the best way to tank my Burst for this, so I can mine right through it?
|
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 17:27:00 -
[135]
Originally by: davet517
Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 05/01/2010 21:33:39
You're not very bright are you? This will just get you dead. The goal is to survive the suicide gank long enough for concord to do their job. You will not survive a suicide gank with no tank, you'll get popped in 2 volleys (or less), which, if they overload their guns might even get off a third if the first 2 don't kill you.
Considerably brighter than you are, I guess. You aren't going to tank a suicide ganker in your hulk, skippy. You can, however, be aligned and stabbed, and warp out as soon as he tries to point you. The ECM drones are there to jam him up if he's smart enough to have someone get him a warp-in so he can try to bump you, but if he were that smart he'd most likely be in 0.0 with the real PvPers.
If you fit a sensor boost to offset the effect of the stabs, you can still mine reasonably well and fit enough buffer to survive the one volley that he MIGHT get off before you're gone or he's jammed.
You should probably just stay docked. It's your best bet.
lulz, you really think they're going to bother with a point when they're trying to alpha you? If they overload and come in with guns hot (which is likely) you more probably will not get a jam on them before the second volley hits, if you survive the first one.
It's not going to be 1 person suiciding you, you're going to have at least 2 or 3 dessies or a couple tempests/phoons. 1 volley from 2 is all it takes if they fit right and the target has no, or a mediocre tank. Your drones are going to hit the first person to shoot, the second and/or third will finish the job, with no jam on them if you survive the first volley.
You're better off fitting invulns, dcus, extender(s). 3 invulns and 1 dcu is enough to mitigate 80% of the incoming damage (more with the right skills). On a 10k alpha you'll probably see maybe 200-300 pts of damage (per alpha), with an em rig and shield extender rig you can squeeze 25k ehp out of a hulk. Enough to survive most suicides until concord gets there.
Good luck not dying. |
Mistah Ewedynao
Gallente
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 22:01:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Droog 1 Edited by: Droog 1 on 06/01/2010 13:27:53 Don't forget to petition every loss to hulkageddon participants. CCP will be able to tell which people are using disposable alts and which are using their mains. CCP have ISP details and can also connect alts with mains. If you believe someone is using an exploit you should petition them and let CCP investigate all the players on your lossmail.
unfortunately for you, spawning concord in a belt on purpose is an exploit. using alts to gank someone is not.
Have a wonderful day ya sad bastard :)
I personally will spend Hulkafaillen hunting for strange looking alt Dessie gangs to Gank with my other 10 BS trained alts. If we get bored with that, our main mining character has asked some of our other lesser trained alts to provide them training by attacking them while mining. Of course we will oblige....
Oh and Miss Prissy WannaBeGank Queen; If the having Concord in the belt doesn't help...why are you so worried about it? You also seem to be worried about people petitioning their losse to obvious Gank Alt's???
Do this again next year please, cause my main wants to Sponsor GANKaGankerTHON, with Billions in Prizes for whoever gets the most would-be Miner Gankers.
You people are the lamer's who camp spawn spots, Bunny_Hop and other such nonsense in other online games too, aren't you.
|
Gil Harstone
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 22:12:00 -
[137]
Couple of things.
One, You can't be traditionally "ganked" in EVE. The game allows 100 v 1. You can be "Zerged" in EVE, but not what is commonly referred to as ganked.
Two, EVE is a frontier area, traditionally miners, merchants, etc have always been preyed upon by privateers. Its the nature of the beast.
Three, Being a frontier area, no place is "safe", everyplace is dangerous, just some areas are less dangerous. That is important, go ahead and read that last sentence again.
I am a newb (not a noob) and that is why I started to play EVE. I do mine and have a Covetor. I like the idea that even in Empire Space, I could be attacked and loose my ship. Its part of the game, the fun part, the part that makes EVE, well EVE.
I wouldn't like to loose any of my ships, but I have in the past. It's part of the game and gives EVE its special flavor. If a group wants to play Pirates in EVE, more power to them.
Finally, I would go as far as to say, Hulks should be limited to low sec or 0.0 space. I think Hulks should be designated as Capital Ships and not allowed to dock in high sec or even be allowed in high sec space. A Cov can do anything a Hulk can do, but 20% slower. What a Hulk can do in 1 hour, a Cov can do in 1 hour 15 min.
My 2 cents and I have to admit, the drama is fun.
|
Rusalka Renoir
Gallente United Industries LTD. Shadow Empire.
|
Posted - 2010.01.06 23:26:00 -
[138]
As an admitted 'carebear' miner with two Hulks mining near constantly while I'm on - I'm embarrased by the whining going on about Hulkaggedon. Here's the deal. The game is designed to not be safe for anyone, anywhere, anytime. Just like real life. Or just like life would be if EVE actually existed. Don't want to get your Hulk nuked? Dock it and do something else. Or learn how not to get it blown up. Basically, as the EVE powers-that-be said so eloquently in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q - "Harden the f*** up". This is not your grandma's MMO.
|
JIMxBob OFxTHExSOUTH
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 02:47:00 -
[139]
I FOUND CHICKEN NECKS. BUC BUC BUCAUGHT!!! BUC BUC BUCAUGHT!!! HAHA, NOTHIN AGAINST YA, MY PRIZE AWAITS ME.
|
JIMxBob OFxTHExSOUTH
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 02:55:00 -
[140]
Reporting us for playing the game. Oh its within the rules. Calling all pirates, gankers, grefiers for a full scale assault on imagination land and now your imaginations running wild. Nah good luck with reporting people for playing the game. Thats like saying you cant be a pirate. Report the pirate before he attacks. well whats the point of playing the role of pirate? if you cant act like one? LOL - stop your crying, buck up like a man. Wheres your fleet? Surely my tactics will outsmart your tactics, for it sounds as if youve already lost this great holy attack on the innocent "miner". LOL
Rant rant rant, by me Crry cry cry by you Hahahaa in hindsight Remember that time there was prizes given away for best miner kill? most miner kills and best style of miner kills? Glad you could take part, your making history. Rant End
|
|
DeMont Cruiser
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 07:33:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Entgo Ditumi Hulkaggedon is simply a manifestation of a bunch of sorry pirates who can't cut it fighting pilots who are prepared to fight back... I'm sorry, did I say pirates? Pffffff. They hardly deserve the name. Come to 0.0, where the real PVP is, you bunch of pansies.
As for people who think that surviving concord long enough to take down a hulk is a challenge: I suppose you have to crawl before you can walk. Let the real PVPers know when you can finally walk. Then they'll teach you to dance.
Good luck with Hulkageddon, you sorry excuses for PVPers.
Excellent, I agree very much. The Jerk Cartel has come up with this plan/competition just to get rich quick which is why they had to ask for isk/prize from everyone. Add to that the fact they pick miners to be the target shows just exactly what kind of players they really are, a bunch of griefers who think they're Pirates because they don't have the Balls to go do some real PvP.
|
DeMont Cruiser
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 07:43:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Mistah Ewedynao
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Droog 1 Edited by: Droog 1 on 06/01/2010 13:27:53 Don't forget to petition every loss to hulkageddon participants. CCP will be able to tell which people are using disposable alts and which are using their mains. CCP have ISP details and can also connect alts with mains. If you believe someone is using an exploit you should petition them and let CCP investigate all the players on your lossmail.
unfortunately for you, spawning concord in a belt on purpose is an exploit. using alts to gank someone is not.
Have a wonderful day ya sad bastard :)
I personally will spend Hulkafaillen hunting for strange looking alt Dessie gangs to Gank with my other 10 BS trained alts. If we get bored with that, our main mining character has asked some of our other lesser trained alts to provide them training by attacking them while mining. Of course we will oblige....
Oh and Miss Prissy WannaBeGank Queen; If the having Concord in the belt doesn't help...why are you so worried about it? You also seem to be worried about people petitioning their losse to obvious Gank Alt's???
Do this again next year please, cause my main wants to Sponsor GANKaGankerTHON, with Billions in Prizes for whoever gets the most would-be Miner Gankers.
You people are the lamer's who camp spawn spots, Bunny_Hop and other such nonsense in other online games too, aren't you.
ROFL, I have to bump this too. I agree 100%
|
Kail Izzraham
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 09:48:00 -
[143]
I am not one to condone and will not condone anything like this (attacks on hulks/miners), but something needs to be done about the AFK miners as it does give those that mine honestly a bad name and it is usually the honest ones that get screwed. It is a sad reality I am afraid. I did notice earlier in the thread that some said mining is dead, and to some extent it is true, and this is because of all the macro-miners and so on. But I also think that the creators of EvE need to re-evaluate the miner aspect of the game to try to breath new life into it, I am not sure how, but there has to be a way. I also think that players that do not fit into the 'combat or mission runner' field are the ones that are hardest hit as it has been mentioned time and time again that a majority of the minerals are found in loot that has been reprocessed. Perhaps the reprocessing and what can be obtained from mission run loot needs to be more limited making the actual miners a little more valuable once again. As for me, I am not sure what I am going to do during the events run, I might fly, I might not. I am just get on EvE to mine and be social with others and talk and to be honest, it is not really fair to those of us that are here in that aspect. But...it is a PvP game...so...all I can say is be smart (to all you miners out there) and Macro-Miners beware.
|
Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 09:56:00 -
[144]
1: Increase the PG & CPU of mining barges and exhumers so they can fit cruiser and battleship tanks. Cruiser for mining barges, Battleship for Exhumers. 2: remove Meta0 Tech1 modules from npc loot tables and reduced the drop rate of drone alloys by a minimum of 25% preferrably 50%. 3: make it that strip miners can only be used in 0.5 sec and below.
|
Christie Goreman
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 13:17:00 -
[145]
hilarious thread....
i think just because of this iŠll take part in Hulkageddon II ; ) even if i dont have the means of realisticly take a prize. Just doing it should be reward enough.
regarding the WoW comparison. If you play on a PVP server you get ganked often, it's as easy as that. EVE is the pendant to that, so sooner or later you are going to die to someone, as easy as that and you all know it and i know and experienced it. So for all those who express their wish to play a PVP game in a complete undisturbed PVE style.... srry not gonna happen and IŠll help out to open your eys to this reality. YARR!!
|
My Postman
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 14:32:00 -
[146]
Most of the important (and unimportant) things just said.
First thing, iŠm a highsec miner and my hulk is fitted to withstand a ganking attempt. Always - not only for Hulkageddon II. And i donŠt afk mine - ever.
So imho i do apreciate HelicityŠs attempt to light out those who deserve it. And i hope HAG will kill many macroes too. But at least there is something what should not happen.
Creating a concord spawn in your belt is an exploit, even ccp wonŠt get you for it. And as far as i know it wonŠt help anyway, couse the agression will create another concord spawn, which i think will go active. Anyway, i donŠt know what the "existing" span will do.
To the other side, biomassing an alt after it hits the security status level is an exploit too. Petitioning it the way beeing told is ok so far, to give ccp the possibility to have an eye to the 400 biomassed alts after HAG ended.
And to the last, Helicity, i canŠt see that this event has something to do with "pvp". As far as i know this means "player versus player", and i canŠt see a "versus" for attacking a defenceless ship. Shooting a sqirrel with a shotgun is pvs?
Just my two cents
|
sir gankalot
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 14:44:00 -
[147]
Originally by: My Postman
Anyway, i donŠt know what the "existing" span will do.
Last time i was near an existing concord spawn and shot at something it did not spawn a new one but the existing spawn took me out after about 1 to 2 seconds. That was 2 days ago in a 0.8 system. So I'd say yes, existing concord spawns will blast you.
Could be some glitches in the system though concord does not always do it's job properly. One time I was testing some game mechanics and I shot at something to get agro and concord did not spawn at ALL.
|
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 14:46:00 -
[148]
Originally by: My Postman Most of the important (and unimportant) things just said.
First thing, iŠm a highsec miner and my hulk is fitted to withstand a ganking attempt. Always - not only for Hulkageddon II. And i donŠt afk mine - ever.
So imho i do apreciate HelicityŠs attempt to light out those who deserve it. And i hope HAG will kill many macroes too. But at least there is something what should not happen.
Creating a concord spawn in your belt is an exploit, even ccp wonŠt get you for it. And as far as i know it wonŠt help anyway, couse the agression will create another concord spawn, which i think will go active. Anyway, i donŠt know what the "existing" span will do.
To the other side, biomassing an alt after it hits the security status level is an exploit too. Petitioning it the way beeing told is ok so far, to give ccp the possibility to have an eye to the 400 biomassed alts after HAG ended.
And to the last, Helicity, i canŠt see that this event has something to do with "pvp". As far as i know this means "player versus player", and i canŠt see a "versus" for attacking a defenceless ship. Shooting a sqirrel with a shotgun is pvs?
Just my two cents
After watching some carnage, there's a good possibility no tank will survive one of the hg2 ganks :P Just way too much firepower being focused on 1 target to tank it no matter what you fit :P
If people get real butthurt over hg2 they could just quit eve and play something else I suppose :P
I doubt CCP is going to care about people summoning concord to belts while hg2 is going on since it's almost the only defense against it. I don't think it will help much though, if they want to gank something they're going to gank it, regardless of concord in a belt or not, and will more than likely have enough firepower on hand to 1-2 volley someone.
I personally am looking forward to ninjaing as much loot as possible, there were reports of hulks popping with officer and faction mods on them
|
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 14:57:00 -
[149]
Mining and ice mining are made to be AFKed.
If they were not:
- modules would not recycle every so many minutes
- the game would be made to require interaction like for another moltitude of features
- rats would not be easily ignored by a tank-less ship (except retrievers and lowest grade stuff).
Actually, those melting their brains to stare at mining lasers for hours a day worry me, are they insane?
Mining exist so that you can alt-tab out of it and afk mission. So that you can alt-tab out of mission and afk gate camp. So you can alt-tab gate camp and play DAO or another lively game.
In the end, lobotomizing self in order to stare at mining lasers is not worth the cost of an Hulk imho. Better have some popped every now and then and recover the cost in a pair of days and go on.
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
|
Vaughn Blackleg
|
Posted - 2010.01.07 15:07:00 -
[150]
Maybe i am insane? but with 4 accounts and all max miners in hulks ill sit in belts and wait for the gankers to show up like last time, run my tanks and watch concord pop them all, all i can say is BRING IT! ill be in and around Vasala waiting for you
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |