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Kerey Courini
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Posted - 2010.01.02 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kerey Courini on 02/01/2010 18:52:25 Edited by: Kerey Courini on 02/01/2010 18:49:54
-10 ganking in highsec with insurance
Many know this already but Hulkageddon comes and the only recent thread is some guy who loses his insurance (duh).
Here is how to keep insurance, and needs 1 week training only.
WHAT YOU NEED
1 alt with industrial with scan probe skill. 2 days training.
1 or more attacker with battleship and smartbomb skill. 5 days training.
WHAT YOU DO
Insure smartbomb battleship and fit 3 warp core stab. This is very important because of NPC police.
- Option A: Use scan probe alt to find target. Dock and trade bookmark. This has most surprise.
- Option B: Bump target with alt and warp to alt in fleet menu. This has poor surprise so you might not get his pod.
- Option C: Cloaked Blockade Runner. Too much training but good if you have it.
Launch ganker.
Use instant undock bookmark to escape police and station campers.
Warp to target. Police will come as you warp. With inertia stabilizer, warp core stabilizers and shield extender you live! I have Typhoon with 2 inertia stab, and I have Evasive Maneuvering IV skill. If the alignment to the asteroid belt is good, I dont need any of it. If the alignment is bad (180 degree turn LOL) they get 3 points on me and I warp out in armor. But I always warp out. You will not lose the ship here.
Land on target. Fire bombs.
Die to concord. Faction police had me once. I wonder if that is exploit? Avoid Concord by dying first to faction cops?
Loot with industrial.
TARGETS YOU CAN PICK
With 1 ganker: tech 1 barge, poorly tanked industrial. Easy to get multiple barges and pods. Carebears like to hump same can. My record is only three but I have also got 2 and a pirate canflipping them (unluckiest pirate ever).
With 2+ ganker: Badly tanked exhumer.
With 3+ ganker: You have smartbomb friendly fire problem but is doable if careful.
MY GANK FIT Could be better but this is minimum training.
[Typhoon, Kerey Courini] Damage Control I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Inertia Stabilizers I Inertia Stabilizers I Co-Processor I
Large Shield Extender I Large Shield Extender I Large Shield Extender I Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
ESSENTIAL SKILLS
Evasive Maneuvering IV - quicker warp Cybernetics II - EP4 smartbomb cycle implant Energy Pulse Weapons IV - reduce smartbomb cycle Core Integrity Certificate - police sometimes get you into armor Core Capacitor Certificate - smartbombs use cap Core Fitting Certificate - shield extenders, damage control
Now get out there and pod miners!
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.02 18:50:00 -
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Noob poster who doesn't know wtf he's talking about ftl. If you don't know the mechanics of the game, don't post 'advice' when it's wrong. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Kerey Courini
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Posted - 2010.01.02 19:13:00 -
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Your lack of specific exception is proof that it works and that you mine.
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2010.01.02 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kerey Courini Your lack of specific exception is proof that it works and that you mine.
I have to concur with Bellum mining.
However... ♥
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Don Pellegrino
Helljumpers Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.01.02 19:47:00 -
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Is he really trying to tell people that you can bomb in highsec and also smartbomb and get away from Concord by fitting warp core stabs?
Please tell me that you're trolling. 4/10 if it was a troll.
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Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.01.02 20:01:00 -
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So you warp out to get ganked by concord somewhere else? GJ
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lolirepu
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Posted - 2010.01.02 20:02:00 -
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I think some of you guys need to learn to read.
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Kerey Courini
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.01.02 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kerey Courini on 02/01/2010 20:04:28
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Is he really trying to tell people that you can bomb in highsec and also smartbomb and get away from Concord by fitting warp core stabs?
Please tell me that you're trolling. 4/10 if it was a troll.
faction police are not concord
faction police come when you undock, and are easy to escape from using the method given
concord comes when you fire the smartbombs
for C&P you are all very bad at the 'C' part
i think i am the one being trolled!
edit: I forgot to add, i only do this in 0.7 to 0.5
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.02 20:20:00 -
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Confirming that Bellum is a dirty miner
And that OP is fail
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Ekon Bor
Amarr Van Diemen's Demise
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Posted - 2010.01.02 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ekon Bor on 02/01/2010 20:41:37 I think you're missing the point (emphasis think - I could be missing it too) because the OP kind of expressed the connection badly; it goes back to his heading.
I think what he's doing is posing an answer to this question: "I want to do a suicide gank in hisec, but I have a very low sec status. Therefore when I turn up in hisec the faction police shoot at me and take me out before I can get to my gank target; how do I get to the target and kill it before I get taken out?" . While being aware of course that, after the target is taken out, Concord will come for you, and there's really no way of avoiding Concord, and on the off chance that you do manage to avoid it CCP considers it an exploit and a pack of Icelandic techno-vikings will arrive at your front door with saran wrap and a chainsaw within the hour.
That said, nfi whether his idea would work or not. It sounds to me like it would work but I've never done suicide ganking.
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Tempy Rawry
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Posted - 2010.01.02 20:53:00 -
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Confirming this thread has most surprise.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.02 21:10:00 -
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I will be glad when they nerf the hell out of insurance. It's wlel over due.
Remember when Jihad was in full swing an all the miners farmers an bots screamed blue murder?.... They nurfed hell out of highsec an made it "safe". Well that was because the young ones have no off switch, they find a exploit or a bug in the system an hammer it so badly that CCP instantly take notice. So please you lads keep hammering ppl in 1.0 etc, sooner you really go all out the sooner CCP removes insurance :)
EvE is meant to be about consequences for your actions, trouble is at moment there is no consequence. make highsec ganks pay no insurance at all, an a single podding in 0.6 an up is instant -5.
This weay you can still grief but it has a consequence.I dont use insurance for years now so I wont miss it an it might make gankers take risks at last.
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Sainsbury
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.01.02 21:41:00 -
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isn't this just an innefficient way of doing what everyone else has been doing for years? -------
Quote: "Te audire non possum, musa sapientum fixa est in aura"
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Fearr Dorchaa
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Posted - 2010.01.02 21:42:00 -
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This thread needs more butthurt ****** high sec care bears / lame ass C&P trolls misreading the inital post as to what the op is talking about.
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Kerey Courini
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kerey Courini on 03/01/2010 11:44:27
A reply to some private questions.
You cannot escape Global Criminal Countdown (gcc) with this.
In security 0.8 you get 2 smartbomb blasts before Concord come (Energy Pulse Weapons 4, EP4 implant). If you are very lucky you can cap boost and fire a small number of smartbombs as Concord kills you because they don't disable your modules.
You need an instant undock bookmark. If it takes a couple of seconds it is wrong but you will still make it if you don't have to u-turn to the target.
Bumping for more dead miners.
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Don Pellegrino
Helljumpers Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.01.03 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kerey Courini Edited by: Kerey Courini on 02/01/2010 20:14:43
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Is he really trying to tell people that you can bomb in highsec and also smartbomb and get away from Concord by fitting warp core stabs?
Please tell me that you're trolling. 4/10 if it was a troll.
faction police are not concord (except those funny systems near Yulai)
faction police come when you undock. easy to escape from using the method given.
concord comes when you fire the smartbombs
when faction police first appear it takes several seconds for their larger ships to start attacking which is why you dont instantly die when you land on your target
i dont die until concord arrives and im already attacking
for C&P some of you are all very bad at the 'C' part
edit: I forgot to add, i only do this in 0.7 to 0.5
edit: They can read. Its deliberate.
What part of my post mentioned "faction police"?
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Grunanca
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.01.03 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Grunanca on 03/01/2010 14:50:43
Originally by: Kerey Courini Edited by: Kerey Courini on 02/01/2010 20:28:59
TARGETS YOU CAN PICK (EDIT: IN 0.7 AND UNDER)
With 1 ganker: tech 1 barge, poorly tanked industrial. Easy to get multiple barges and pods. Carebears like to hump same can. My record is only three but I have also got 2 and a pirate canflipping them (unluckiest pirate ever).
With 2+ ganker: Badly tanked exhumer.
With 3+ ganker: You have smartbomb friendly fire problem but is doable if careful.
Did I just do something impossible then?!
http://www.finalagony.com/Killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4234
Also my typhoon is better, as you get more cap from 3 boosters meaning you will get 3rd round off with a little training.
[Typhoon, Suicide] Inertia Stabilizers I Inertia Stabilizers I Inertia Stabilizers I Inertia Stabilizers I 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I
Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 [empty med slot]
Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
And before you say its plated and wont work, plate adds 0.3 seconds to align time which is already 2 seconds lower than your aligntime.
Also if you put in medium drones and launch them between first and second cycle with a hotkey, they add another 300-400 damage meaning you can kill a hulk with 1 ship.
Also a damage control is stupid as concord ignores resists. You wont need resist with this setup as navy wont get you, not even at a full turn. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Grunanca
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.01.03 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zill I will be glad when they nerf the hell out of insurance. It's wlel over due.
Remember when Jihad was in full swing an all the miners farmers an bots screamed blue murder?.... They nurfed hell out of highsec an made it "safe". Well that was because the young ones have no off switch, they find a exploit or a bug in the system an hammer it so badly that CCP instantly take notice. So please you lads keep hammering ppl in 1.0 etc, sooner you really go all out the sooner CCP removes insurance :)
EvE is meant to be about consequences for your actions, trouble is at moment there is no consequence. make highsec ganks pay no insurance at all, an a single podding in 0.6 an up is instant -5.
This weay you can still grief but it has a consequence.I dont use insurance for years now so I wont miss it an it might make gankers take risks at last.
If it wasnt for us, what would the risk of isk printing in high sec be then? Nerf belts, make them probeable but just as hard to find as wormholes, then we can talk about removing insurance. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.01.03 17:58:00 -
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I endorse this.
When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet! |
Kerey Courini
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kerey Courini on 03/01/2010 21:45:20
Originally by: Grunanca
Did I just do something impossible then?!
No, I'm bad and have only 900,000 skill points. It's a killer combo for failure.
Originally by: Grunanca
Also if you put in medium drones and launch them between first and second cycle with a hotkey, they add another 300-400 damage meaning you can kill a hulk with 1 ship.
Alas, I dont have the level 80 skills it needs to get a lockon with two warp core stabs in under 8 seconds. It only takes 30 seconds with all 5s. Is there a trick to get drones to attack without lock?
I think Sentry are better and survive smartbombs.
Thank you for your tip about Damage Control. I will test it on Sisi.
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